Who has & who hasn't already sent in their renewal forms?

johngalway

Just wondering as I haven't.

endasmail

all gone in john since last week

freddieot

I still have to do it (all 3 expire on 31/10). Mostly because I need to get some photos organised and decide on references.

4gun

haven't even got mine yet:eek:

Sparks

Haven't sent mine in yet, too much still happening with SIs and Guidelines to know what's required.

Cass

All gone since monday. FO said i filled in everything that was required. Got pulse ID from gun club which helped. FO also said that he was talking to Dublin and the first of the applications (all of them not just mine) will not be proccessed for 3-4 weeks as they are not fully prepared yet. Wait and see time.

It wasn't me!

My renewal isn't until next June, but I've put in a new application, so the waters are getting tested that way anyway.

jwshooter

mine are out on the 31 st oct whats the panic i have over 3 months to put them in .

Cass

jwshooter wrote: »

mine are out on the 31 st oct whats the panic i have over 3 months to put them in .

9-10 weeks more like it. The earlier the better anyway.

riflehunter77

Put my 3 in on wednesday went down and got back the shotgun one today as i recieved another extension for that one till next june...

Jonty

mine are due to expire at the end of October. The cops said to come back and apply at the start of September - oh and bring your firearms for "inspection"

deerhunter1

endasmail wrote: »

all gone in john since last week

same here,done and dusted,straight forward,no hidden agendas

Cass

Jonty wrote: »

mine are due to expire at the end of October. The cops said to come back and apply at the start of September - oh and bring your firearms for "inspection"

You're not going to bring your firearms down to the station are you?

Jonty

ezridax wrote: »

You're not going to bring your firearms down to the station are you?

I was told I didn't have a choice in the matter

Jonty

Can they make me do this? I mean I've jumped through hoops already and if I lived 3 miles east or west of my current location I'd be in 2 different districts and wouldn't be subject to these lads with their "Ah sure we'll make it up as we go along" attitude.

foxshooter243

Jonty wrote: »

Can they make me do this?

I would suggest that it would be more prudent for them to call in with you to see your firearms than for joe public to see "jonty the Taliban" walking into their local nick like he was heading for helmand province:D

Jonty

foxshooter243 wrote: »

I would suggest that it would be more prudent for them to call in with you to see your firearms than for joe public to see "jonty the Taliban" walking into their local nick like he was heading for helmand province:D

I suggested this as I didn't want some knacker walking in and observing me with a couple of high power rifles.

They said they couldn't come up to the house as "Sure how long would it take to visit all the houses in the parish?"

I dunno but it'd be surely something to do for them. Also will I have to pull my safes off the wall and bring them in for inspection too:D?


Eh Foxy - Its Coalition Forces I'd be supporting - I'm not gone on them Taliban lads and besides I could never ride my "battle donkey" into the station

It wasn't me!

You should bring the wall too so they can inspect how securely the safe is affixed to it.

foxshooter243

Jonty wrote: »

I suggested this as I didn't want some knacker walking in and observing me with a couple of high power rifles.

They said they couldn't come up to the house as "Sure how long would it take to visit all the houses in the parish?"

I dunno but it'd be surely something to do for them. Also will I have to pull my safes off the wall and bring them in for inspection too:D?


Eh Foxy - Its Coalition Forces I'd be supporting - I'm not gone on them Taliban lads

I would be a bit uncomfortable taking my gear in the front door of the garda barracks as ours is now like walking into a bank with the garda behind glass- if they would even meet you half way and inspect in the boot of the car in the yard out of prying eyes would be better- I mean I always keepa low profile with my neighbours when removing firearms from my home as you dont know how hysterical some folks get at the sight a gun , but for the garda to suggest that you take your gear into the station for inspection, in front of prying eyes, is out of order and if any DOJ folks are reading this
then take on board what we are showing concern about here!

foxshooter243

It wasn't me! wrote: »

You should bring the wall too so they can inspect how securely the safe is affixed to it.

ROFL:D:D

Jonty

foxshooter243 wrote: »

I would be a bit uncomfortable taking my gear in the front door of the garda barracks as ours is now like walking into a bank with the garda behind glass- if they would even meet you half way and inspect in the boot of the car in the yard out of prying eyes would be better- I mean I always keepa low profile with my neighbours when removing firearms from my home as you dont know how hysterical some folks get at the sight a gun , but for the garda to suggest that you take your gear into the station for inspection, in front of prying eyes, is out of order and if any DOJ folks are reading this
then take on board what we are showing concern about here!

I'm not anticop or anything, I'd be more than willing to let them enter my house to inspect my security and firearms arrangement, but it gets to the point where you have to say no. Where is it in legislation that I have to have my firearms inspected? And for what reason? I have supplied bills of sale to the guards along with my original firearms applications so yes the guns DO exist. How are the gards "qualified" to inpsect the firearms. Is it an "idontlikedelookodat" type of inspection? Yes I have a synthetic stocked rifle. Should that matter. If my firearms are damaged in ANY way during this "inspection" what remedy am I entitled to?

EDIT - Sorry for the bit of a rant lads. I think these are all valid points. Don't want to come across as a smartass

deerhunter1

ezridax wrote: »

You're not going to bring your firearms down to the station are you?

Yes if asked. I seem to be asked about every 2nd or 3rd year. This all stems from back a few years ago when gun crime kicked off, some guns used in crime were traced back to their owners and it was established that the weapon in question had been stolen years earlier but never reported,because there was never a check done whether the weapon was still in the owners posession,so rather than report it they just renewed their licence every year rather than go through hassle, I know of some instances of weapons stolen or lost for many years (20-30) and their licence renewed. Gardai were renewing licences for weapons for years that their owners had lost or stolen because a check was never done. Hence the check up now. It only makes sense.It is compulsary.

jwshooter

Jonty wrote: »

mine are due to expire at the end of October. The cops said to come back and apply at the start of September - oh and bring your firearms for "inspection"

jonty this is wrong imformation from them .
mine are out the same time as you .you have to the 31st of oct to apply and you do not have to bring your firearms to the station.

Jonty

jwshooter wrote: »

jonty this is wrong imformation from them .
mine are out the same time as you .you have to the 31st of oct to apply and you do not have to bring your firearms to the station.

I know that. Its just bull from their side

jwshooter

Jonty wrote: »

I know that. Its just bull from their side

if you pm me your e mail .i will send you a letter from the DOJ stating that you have till the 31st of oct to apply .

Jonty

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Yes if asked. I seem to be asked about every 2nd or 3rd year. This all stems from back a few years ago when gun crime kicked off, some guns used in crime were traced back to their owners and it was established that the weapon in question had been stolen years earlier but never reported,because there was never a check done whether the weapon was still in the owners posession,so rather than report it they just renewed their licence every year rather than go through hassle, I know of some instances of weapons stolen or lost for many years (20-30) and their licence renewed. Gardai were renewing licences for weapons for years that their owners had lost or stolen because a check was never done. Hence the check up now. It only makes sense.It is compulsary.

Quote your source on this one

rowa

i have to agree with you all on this point , i went into the local cop-shop 2 years ago to renew my licences and was waiting there in the queue to be seen , what i didn't realize was a 24 carat scumbag had walked in behind me , he was there because he was out on bail and had to sign on everyday , i asked the guard that was dealing with my licences could we not deal with the paperwork in private instead of on the counter in front of everyone,"ah no it'll be grand was the answer" , everytime the cop mentioned revolver or pistol the scumbags ears pricked up , i was never so annoyed in my life , if the guards were serious about curtailing gun crime they would surely insist on keeping anything to do with firearms extremely private and underwraps , making people bring in firearms for inspection is stupid .

Jonty

Both Deerhunter and Rowa are correct. But if the guards were that concerned could they not visit Firearms owners in the places where the fireamrs are stored? It would mean they could check security etc. in one go.

Cass

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Yes if asked. I seem to be asked about every 2nd or 3rd year. This all stems from back a few years ago when gun crime kicked off, some guns used in crime were traced back to their owners and it was established that the weapon in question had been stolen years earlier but never reported,because there was never a check done whether the weapon was still in the owners posession,so rather than report it they just renewed their licence every year rather than go through hassle, I know of some instances of weapons stolen or lost for many years (20-30) and their licence renewed. Gardai were renewing licences for weapons for years that their owners had lost or stolen because a check was never done. Hence the check up now. It only makes sense.It is compulsary.

It is NOT compulsory. A Garda has no standing to force a person to produce any firearm at the station for "inspection". They cannot even enter your home unless allowed to do so by the owner. This obviously is circumvented by failing an inspection if they are not allowed to enter but myself, like everyone here i assume, has nothing to hide so allows the Gardai entry.

Foxshooter has it right by saying why would anyone parade their firearms by bringing them down to their local station. It goes against all sensible reasoning. Plus, as Foxshooter also said, as your home has to be inspected to make sure you are up to code on the necessary security requirements it would be more prudent to inspect them where they are to be stored.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

jonty this is wrong imformation from them .
mine are out the same time as you .you have to the 31st of oct to apply and you do not have to bring your firearms to the station.

If your extension says "until Oct 31", then your licence runs out on October 31. October 31 is not the date the application must be in by, it's the date on which your licence expires and you're left in possession of an unlicenced firearm.

And if the local Super says bring them in, that's a precondition on your licence. And no, you don't have to bring them in. You can just sell them to the dealer and call it quits instead.

But if you want to keep them? And the Super (not the guy on the desk, because he can't make this stuff up) says so? Yeah, you have to do it.

Our man in Havana

I thought that the general advice given was to never allow your firearms to be inspected in the public office of a Garda Station?

deerhunter1

Sparks wrote: »

If your extension says "until Oct 31", then your licence runs out on October 31. October 31 is not the date the application must be in by, it's the date on which your licence expires and you're left in possession of an unlicenced firearm.

And if the local Super says bring them in, that's a precondition on your licence. And no, you don't have to bring them in. You can just sell them to the dealer and call it quits instead.

But if you want to keep them? And the Super (not the guy on the desk, because he can't make this stuff up) says so? Yeah, you have to do it.

Correct sparks,the inspection at your house is at time of your first application, whoever has had a guard call up and check after you had yor licence granted?. If you are told to bring them then you are compelled to do so,whether it is wriitten in law or not,if you dont comply you do not get your licence till you do simple as that. You have to apply for your licence before the extension runs out.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

If your extension says "until Oct 31", then your licence runs out on October 31. October 31 is not the date the application must be in by, it's the date on which your licence expires and you're left in possession of an unlicenced firearm.

And if the local Super says bring them in, that's a precondition on your licence. And no, you don't have to bring them in. You can just sell them to the dealer and call it quits instead.

But if you want to keep them? And the Super (not the guy on the desk, because he can't make this stuff up) says so? Yeah, you have to do it.

i have a e mail stating this..
an applicant may apply for his/hers new 3 year certificate at any time prior to the expiry of the extension.

but it would not be good practice to wait till the day before expiry.

so it has noting to do with the local Sargent of super.there rank and file and have no say in it.this decision has been made for them from the top

thats the good thing about orders and dicisions they go down not up.

rrpc

jwshooter wrote: »

i have a e mail stating this..
an applicant may apply for his/hers new 3 year certificate at any time prior to the expiry of the extension.

but it would not be good practice to wait till the day before expiry.

In theory jw.

If you left it until the day before your extension ran out and they subsequently took three months deciding on your application, you'd be unlicensed for almost three months.

And they have three months to make a decision, that's in the firearms acts.

Our man in Havana

So what happens in the meantime? Do you hand in your guns to a dealer?

rrpc

And about them asking you to bring it in:

"Before renewing a firearm certificate, an authorised member shall be of opinion that the conditions to which it is subject have been complied with and will continue to be complied with during the period for which the certificate is renewed."

One of those conditions would be that you still have it and it's still the same firearm all of which they can request you to prove.

Anybody who's travelled abroad to compete will no doubt be familiar with being asked to open their gun case and allow an officer inspect the firearm and the paperwork to ensure they match.

rrpc

Bond-007 wrote: »

So what happens in the meantime? Do you hand in your guns to a dealer?

You could, or you could ask for a further extension from the commissioner.

Our man in Havana

Indeed, the difference being that in an aiprort or ferryport "Fat Anto" and the lads are unlikely to be watching proceedings whereas they could easily be watching whilst they are signing the bail register in the Garda Station.

Traumadoc

In Australia, once you pick up your firearm you have to register it at the local police station, you bring the firearm in a case, bolt and magazine out. You present the case to the police office who opens it. Fairly straight forward.

Our man in Havana

I would assume this takes place out of public view?

deerhunter1

I can remember the first time i had to present my firearms to the station for inspection, i think i had five at the time. I went in to renew my permits,my FO said I need to inspect your weapons, I said ok where and when ? the FO said here and now! I said HERE NOW? you want me to bring them in here,the FO said seriously but jokingly, YES why do you think I am going out to inspect them at your place?. I went and got my guns 3 o clock in the day,trying to get a parking space outside the station, no way. I had to park about 200yds away open the boot take out 5 guns in cases two across my shoulder 3 in my arms struggle up to the station,push my way into the public office and stand there while they contacted the FO. every scut and scum bag was in the que waiting to sign in.

deerhunter1

What I think is ridiculous is I recieved my renewals last week,five of them,fine but in five different envelopes from the same place. Not is only a waste of money but the postman now knows I have five firearms,why not put them in the one envelope. Also it is now sourced out to your local Post Office to renew your licences,the local gossips will know by how much you are paying how many guns you have. Now dont get me wrong Im am not saying all Post Offfices are the same but local ones are a place for gossip and loose lips sink ships

foxshooter243

deerhunter1 wrote: »

I can remember the first time i had to present my firearms to the station for inspection, i think i had five at the time. I went in to renew my permits,my FO said I need to inspect your weapons, I said ok where and when ? the FO said here and now! I said HERE NOW? you want me to bring them in here,the FO said seriously but jokingly, YES why do you think I am going out to inspect them at your place?. I went and got my guns 3 o clock in the day,trying to get a parking space outside the station, no way. I had to park about 200yds away open the boot take out 5 guns in cases two across my shoulder 3 in my arms struggle up to the station,push my way into the public office and stand there while they contacted the FO. every scut and scum bag was in the que waiting to sign in.

Now that is just plain wrong!-thats tantamount to putting an ad in local gazzette telling everyone what you have stored in your home-theres no one so far has stated that there is anything wrong or that they have a problem complying with the garda wishes on firearms/security, but theres has to be a fair sprinkling of common sense used when dealing with the matter and having to lug your firearms into the front desk of the garda barracks for anyone to see is making a dogs ass of crime prevention.

If the Garda Siochana dont see that then its worrying:(

Our man in Havana

Mine arrived in a non descript white envelopes with no obvious signs it was from the Gardaí.
There are other payment options than the post office. In any event I would pay mine in the next town so that is not an issue.

Cass

It may be presumptuous of me to assume all stations run the same. When i got the pistol my local Garda (not FO) asked to see it. I told him to drop out whenever he wanted. He called out a week later when i wasn't there and was told that i was't there and they had no idea where the keys to the room and gun safes were (which was the truth) and therefore could not produce the gun. That plus i've told all in my household that even if they did happen to know where my keys were they cannot handle or go near my firearms as they are not licenced for them.

At no time did the Garda ask/demand that i produce the firearm at the station. He called my mobile a week later and set a time over a weekend to come out and see it. I met him, invited him in and showed him the secure room, safes, alarm and more importantly the gun. Thats why i'm so adamant about the not bringing them to a station. My local Gardai told me if they need to see/inspect the guns they know where i live and will drop out to me.

Getting back to the OP and the original theme of the thread my extensions run out on 31/10/09. I have my applications away since Monday and was told they will be processed in about 3-4 weeks, so inline with what rrpc was saying they have 3 months to process the application so the earlier you get them away the better. If my extensions run out before i get a decision at least i can contact the FO/Super and say i had them in within the time frame and the delay is a result of slow processing on the Gardai's end rather than me leaving it till the last day to apply.

Cass

foxshooter243 wrote: »

.......but theres has to be a fair sprinkling of common sense used when dealing with the matter and having to lug your firearms into the front desk of the garda barracks for anyone to see is making a dogs ass of crime prevention.

If the Garda Siochana dont see that then its worrying:(

This is the last of my tuppence worth as i'm just going to repeat myself. My local station and just about all the stations i've been in have these little narrow hatches that you speak to the desk Garda through. Imagine handing him in a valuble target rifle and he bangs it of the hatch, counter or worse again loses his grip and drops it. :eek::eek:

jwshooter

from what im hearing there could be a extension on the first date the 30/10/09 as there not ready to process them .the local cops have not received any guide lines on the new act.

jwshooter

rrpc wrote: »

In theory jw.

If you left it until the day before your extension ran out and they subsequently took three months deciding on your application, you'd be unlicensed for almost three months.

And they have three months to make a decision, that's in the firearms acts.

my info came straight from garda HQ .

bunny shooter

jwshooter wrote: »

mine are out on the 31 st oct whats the panic i have over 3 months to put them in .

As I told you on the "other" forum, you have to have recieved the new licence by 31/10/09, not apply for it by then

rrpc

jwshooter wrote: »

my info came straight from garda HQ .

Mine comes from the Commissioner.

And it's exactly the same as yours. So are you going to wait until the 30th October to apply?

Let us know how you get on

rrpc

ezridax wrote: »

This is the last of my tuppence worth as i'm just going to repeat myself. My local station and just about all the stations i've been in have these little narrow hatches that you speak to the desk Garda through. Imagine handing him in a valuble target rifle and he bangs it of the hatch, counter or worse again loses his grip and drops it. :eek::eek:

Gosh!

Must be very small Gardai in your neck of the woods