Plantation of Ulster stamp

Sherifu

www.irishtimes.com wrote:

Madam, – I am disappointed to learn in the latest issue of An Post’s philatelist magazine, The Collector, that a stamp will be issued on September 4th to commemorate the Plantation of Ulster.

I am dismayed that An Post would consider an event where England colonised this country as being worthy of a commemorative stamp. This event directly contributed to the partition of Ulster from the rest of the Republic that exists today. It is akin to South Africa’s ANC party releasing a commemorative stamp welcoming the colonisation of English and Dutch settlers which ultimately led to the apartheid system that existed there. Shame on those who came up with this idea. – Yours, etc,

JOHN WATERS,

Moyvoon,

Oughterard,

Co Galway.

Link

Can't see the harm in this really. Anyone feel as strongly as this guy about it?

gurramok

Is it a celebratory or a mourning type stamp or does it have a neutral theme to it?

stovelid

Sinead O Connor messed with your head, John.

Get over it.

And lose that beard.

DamoDLK

I can understand his upset, but i wouldn't support it.

Hagar

Tell me this is a joke, please.

stovelid

Assuming this is not a joke - maybe they mean it in an affirmative way: to remind people of our history, even the dark parts.

Quazzie

Wow. More tags than posts. Thats gotta be rare

gurramok

Released on Sept 4th http://www.irishstamps.ie/stores/IrishStamps/programmes/programmes.jsp
http://news.myhome.ie/newspaper/ireland/2008/0206/1201903566625.html

Can't find photo of stamp yet

stovelid

Quazzie wrote: »

Wow. More tags than posts. Thats gotta be rare

"Sensitive spud-stealing backstards"



I laughed.

Sherifu

stovelid wrote: »

"Sensitive spud-stealing backstards"



I laughed.

Point of order: They're two separate tags.

stovelid

Sherifu wrote: »

Point of order: They're two separate tags.

Thankfully it's the spud-stealing portion that delivers the payload.

ejmaztec

In before the usual suspects.:pac:

biko

Will next stamp be Cromwell or King Billy?
Place your bets here folks.

Riamfada

I want to hear from dflenop and rebelheart on the matter of the offending stamps.

Riamfada

Magnus wrote: »

Will next stamp be Cromwell or King Billy?
Place your bets here folks.

Hopefully the Queen. Bring back Britain!

dlofnep

Grimes wrote: »

I want to hear from dflenop and rebelheart on the matter of the offending stamps.

Who do you think added half of them tags?

spurious

It gave us our language.





*stir*

Hagar

Grimes wrote: »

I want to hear from dflenop and rebelheart on the matter of the offending stamps.

Conversations are better held on IRC or via PM.
However if you are trolling another poster...

Slow Motion

So an Post are releasing a stamp that the twenty people in the country who don't have email or mobile phones might see and use? Yawn! And before anybody jumps in with "What about bills etc." Most companies use automated franking machines and not stamps. There are far more things in this country to get incenced about tbh!

dlofnep

Hagar wrote: »

Conversations are better held on IRC or via PM.
However if you are trolling another poster...

It's ok

In response to his question - I don't think we should commemorate the removal of farmers from their land, the creation of sectarianism, and the implementation of penal laws. If that's worthy of a friendly jibe from Grimes, then so be it. I'm not going to go out burning out Yellow Reg cars because of some stamp. I'm not really bothered either way.

Besides, all the cool kids use e-mail these days.

Long Onion

Originally Posted by www.irishtimes.com
Madam, – I am disappointed to learn in the latest issue of An Post’s philatelist magazine, The Collector, that a stamp will be issued on September 4th to commemorate the Plantation of Ulster.

I am dismayed that An Post would consider an event where England colonised this country as being worthy of a commemorative stamp. This event directly contributed to the partition of Ulster from the rest of the Republic that exists today. It is akin to South Africa’s ANC party releasing a commemorative stamp welcoming the colonisation of English and Dutch settlers which ultimately led to the apartheid system that existed there. Shame on those who came up with this idea. – Yours, etc,

JOHN WATERS,

Moyvoon,

Oughterard,

Co Galway.



Sir,

I am sick of useless wasters living in the past who have fcuk all better to do than drag up the same mindless dirge time after time. The stamp was only issued to prevent fcuks like you from sending more pointless letters.

Ask my arse.

King Billy

partyguinness

Oh dear...this takes the pandering the bigots/orange order/loyalists up North to new levels...:rolleyes:

I bet it's a snealk way for the Gov to get everyone to boycott the stamps and take up more use of email...if only they were that smart.

partyguinness

spurious wrote: »

It gave us our language.





*stir*

Big spoon in the post for you...:D

Quint

I support anything John Waters is against and vice versa. I was delighted his Eurovision song finished last.

Dyr

I await An Posts llyod george/winston churchill/tan bastards commemorative set with bated breath. :rolleyes:


Oh won't mother england be suprised indeed.

Morlar

I don't think this is pandering to anybody. I think you can commemorate a historical event without celebrating or rejoicing in it. So long as the design was tasteful i have no objection, it might even educate people a bit to their history.

tolosenc

Wow, aknowledgement of our history on a stamp. And people get upset by this...

ejmaztec

Bambi wrote: »

I await An Posts llyod george/winston churchill/tan bastards commemorative set with bated breath. :rolleyes:


Oh won't mother england be suprised indeed.

Or, for the guys who aren't interested in history, they could do a selection of tits of the week stamps. They'd probably never see an envelope and would make An Post a fortune.

El Siglo

obl wrote: »

Wow, aknowledgement of our history on a stamp. And people get upset by this...

Yes because everyone likes to be reminded of the 'good ole days'...

admiralofthefleet

who cares, nobody uses stamps nowadays

partyguinness

ejmaztec wrote: »

Or, for the guys who aren't interested in history, they could do a selection of tits of the week stamps. They'd probably never see an envelope and would make An Post a fortune.

Thats a great idea. I have an MA in Irish history so I dont need stamps to remind me of the good ol days..:D

Morlar

partyguinness wrote: »

Thats a great idea. I have an MA in Irish history so I dont need stamps to remind me of the good ol days..:D

We could compromise and go with 'Irish historical tits' stamps.

- so long as they are not orange order/ protestant tits it will keep everyone happy.

El Siglo

partyguinness wrote: »

Thats a great idea. I have an MA in Irish history so I dont need stamps to remind me of the good ol days..:D

Do you know who will love this more than unionists or those people, that Irish revisionist historian Ruth Dudley Edwards. I say, embrace the stupid stamp just to spite unionists and all of them, and show how 'forward thinking' we are in the Republic!:D

partyguinness

El Siglo wrote: »

Do you know who will love this more than unionists or those people, that Irish revisionist historian Ruth Dudley Edwards. I say, embrace the stupid stamp just to spite unionists and all of them, and show how 'forward thinking' we are in the Republic!:D

and then Kevin "I am so full of self loathing" Myers can follow it up with a series in the Indo commerating the Protestant victims of the Plantations.

ejmaztec

Morlar wrote: »

We could compromise and go with 'Irish historical tits' stamps.

- so long as they are not orange order/ protestant tits it will keep everyone happy.

A pair of bowler hats with nipples on isn't quite what I was thinking.

Winters

Morlar wrote: »

We could compromise and go with 'Irish historical tits' stamps.

Mooney would be all for some more blue tits on stamps. Anything to spread the word.

Sherifu

Winters wrote: »

Mooney would be all for some more blue tits on stamps. Anything to spread the word.

The bird is the word?

Robbo

So, we haven't seen this stamp yet we've already decided to be as offended by it as if it were a 12 foot high statue on O'Connell street of Ian Paisley ramming a broom handle up Padraig Pearse's arse?

[Now read the rest of this in Dervla Kirwan's best produce-fellating voice]

"These aren't just any reactionary internet republican cranks. These are A&H reactionary internet republican cranks".

Winters

Sherifu wrote: »

The bird is the word?

Well don't you know about the bird?

Kev_ps3

Its a disgrace imo, its like Isreal making a stamp with Hitler on the front. Only in west brit run Ireland:rolleyes:

994

El Siglo wrote: »

Yes because everyone likes to be reminded of the 'good ole days'...

I think you're about 200 years off there. All the plantation did was replace one group of oppressive landlords with another.

Morlar

Originally Posted by Morlar View Post
We could compromise and go with 'Irish historical tits' stamps.

- so long as they are not orange order/ protestant tits it will keep everyone happy.

ejmaztec wrote: »

A pair of bowler hats with nipples on isn't quite what I was thinking.

If ever there was a yore ma joke in the waiting . . . Either that or Peig the pipesmoker

El Siglo

994 wrote: »

I think you're about 200 years off there. All the plantation did was replace one group of oppressive landlords with another.

Okay this then.

Fratton Fred

was there this much fuss about the Flight of the Earls stamps?

humanji

El Siglo wrote: »

Okay this then.

Should we just sweep our history under the carpet then? It's an event that helped make Ireland what it is today (well that and Fianna Fail, but that's another thread). There's no point only remembering the good things that happened and forgetting about all those who suffered.

FlutterinBantam

Grimes wrote: »

I want to hear from dflenop and rebelheart on the matter of the offending stamps.

heh heh no worries mate , you will, plus a few others who can't understand the diaspora which went before us to fashion what we are now.

Closed minds are rocky roads as the famous poet said.

They haven't gone away you know;)

dlofnep

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

plus a few others who can't understand the diaspora which went before us to fashion what we are now.

Closed minds are rocky roads as the famous poet said.

You're going to have to elaborate on that.

FlutterinBantam

Good man.

Cannot understand plain English.

Should be fairly plain to most educated peiple.

Sorry cannot provide links.

dlofnep

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Good man.

That I am.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Cannot understand plain English.

I sure can, I asked you to elaborate on it.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Should be fairly plain to most educated peiple.

Educated peiple aye? I don't think I'm a peiple, or is it a pirson?

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sorry cannot provide links.

Didn't ask you for links - Asked for you to elaborate and expand on your comment.

PrivateEye

Other stamps in the collection will include:

'James Connolly tied to a chair!'
'Cromwell going around Dublin on his horse!'
'Rossville flats 1972!'

Riamfada

Did I get ticked off by the new mod?

Anyway I really think that the plantations made us the country we are today, they shaped our landscape and our towns to an extent and are as much part of Irish history and heritage as the megaliths (which co-incidentally were brought in by an "invading" group of people)