bad LC

RobertM

hey there lads, Passed english, maths and french in my LC but failed 2 other subjects ( engineering and classical studies) do I have to repeat the year again ? very worried until monday.

Twilightning

I failed OL maths so things could always be a lot worse. I'm really not sure what I'm going to do now. I guess I'll have to repeat the exams.

RobertM

hope u get sorted out well mate.. I've got higher grades in the mocks than the actual exam in english and french

Piste

RobertM wrote: »

hey there lads, Passed english, maths and french in my LC but failed 2 other subjects ( engineering and classical studies) do I have to repeat the year again ? very worried until monday.

it depends, what are your course requirements?

RobertM

around 300 points, things aren't looking good are they ?

i was looking for a c3 in higher irish.
i got a d1.

Piste

Well I meant in terms of matruclation, does it require a pass in at least 5 subjects? What points did you get?

RobertM

140 points. i feel like a total retard right now

Twilightning

RobertM wrote: »

140 points. i feel like a total retard right now

The LC is nothing but a stupid allocation mechanism, so you shouldn't feel that way. I'm not getting into college this year because I did badly in an area that's always been my weakest area and that has/will never have any bearing on my life or my intelligence.

JohnThomas09

RobertM wrote: »

140 points. i feel like a total retard right now

your far from a retard.if you go back next year you'll be much better prepared.There is light at the end of the tunnel.My advise is go out tonight and enjoy yourself,theres plenty of time to consider your opitions next week.

RobertM

can't even think about what my mom's got to say about this.. jeez', can't wait till next week

Piste

Can you tell us what the course is and where it is? We might be able to find alternative cpurses you can apply to outside of the CAO.

RobertM

sry 4 the double post, but I was thinking, Why can't the leaving cert be like the "Bac" in France ? like do it in June, then get the results in July and if you failed a subject, do it again in August, why can't it be that simple and have to wait for another year

RobertM

Piste wrote: »

Can you tell us what the course is and where it is? We might be able to find alternative cpurses you can apply to outside of the CAO.

There are the courses I've applied to

Level 8 Course Choices:
1. DN072 Civil Engineering
2. DT025 Engineering - Common 1st Year
3. DN074 Mechanical Engineering
4. DN076 Biosystems Engineering
5. DT081 Computer and Communications Engineering
6. DC121 Computer Applications
7. DC195 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering
8. DC193 Mechatronic Engineering
9. BN106 Engineering (Computer Engineering)
10. BN105 Engineering (Mechatronics)

Level 7/6 Course Choices:
1. DT004 Civil Engineering
2. DK744 Engineering - Civil Engineering
3. DT007 Automotive Management and Technology
4. DT006 Mechanical Engineering
5. DT002 Engineering Systems Maintenance
6. DT005 Building Services Engineering
7. DK743 Engineering - Building Services Engineering
8. DK762 Communications (Creative Multimedia)
9. DT105 Architectural Technology
10. DT020 Preliminary Engineering






The first one's were around 400 points, but now I don't know.

JohnThomas09

RobertM wrote: »

can't even think about what my mom's got to say about this.. jeez', can't wait till next week

your mum will be disappointed but at the end of the day she'll support ya whatever you do,thats whats the mammies are for :P

RobertM

what are the other options at the moment ? except repeating.

JohnThomas09

RobertM wrote: »

There are the courses I've applied to

Level 8 Course Choices:
1. DN072 Civil Engineering
2. DT025 Engineering - Common 1st Year
3. DN074 Mechanical Engineering
4. DN076 Biosystems Engineering
5. DT081 Computer and Communications Engineering
6. DC121 Computer Applications
7. DC195 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering
8. DC193 Mechatronic Engineering
9. BN106 Engineering (Computer Engineering)
10. BN105 Engineering (Mechatronics)

Level 7/6 Course Choices:
1. DT004 Civil Engineering
2. DK744 Engineering - Civil Engineering
3. DT007 Automotive Management and Technology
4. DT006 Mechanical Engineering
5. DT002 Engineering Systems Maintenance
6. DT005 Building Services Engineering
7. DK743 Engineering - Building Services Engineering
8. DK762 Communications (Creative Multimedia)
9. DT105 Architectural Technology
10. DT020 Preliminary Engineering






The first one's were around 400 points, but now I don't know.

you could probably do a PLC in Civil Engineering.just because you failed Engineering in the LC that doesnt mean you wont be able to do Civil Engineering,LC engineering is more guided towards Mechancial Engineering than Civil.

Another way of looking at it is if you do a year PLC and then do a 4 year Degree in Civil Engineering,you'll be just graduating in time.This recession might be over by then and we'll be lookinh for plenty of Civil Engineers.

neil_18_

RobertM wrote: »

140 points. i feel like a total retard right now

Did u not watch the "irish young and wealty" show the other day? Most of the millionaires didn't even sit a leaving cert and look where they are now!
They're not retarded and your not either !

Twilightning

I want to do a PLC too but I thought you could only apply for those via the CAO? What my mates said since a lot of them did it.

RobertM

JohnThomas09 wrote: »

you could probably do a PLC in Civil Engineering.just because you failed Engineering in the LC that doesnt mean you wont be able to do Civil Engineering,LC engineering is more guided towards Mechancial Engineering than Civil.

Another way of looking at it is if you do a year PLC and then do a 4 year Degree in Civil Engineering,you'll be just graduating in time.This recession might be over by then and we'll be lookinh for plenty of Civil Engineers.

The Career Counsellor said that PLC courses are "dead" at the moment in Ireland.

neil_18_ wrote: »

Did u not watch the "irish young and wealty" show the other day? Most of the millionaires didn't even sit a leaving cert and look where they are now!
They're not retarded and your not either !

maybe you're right

Piste

This course looks like it'd be good for you: http://www.qualifax.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=15


To apply you only need your Leaving Cert, no subjects specified, just your LC. The application date is up until September 09 so you should be able to apply right away. It also says "This course is widely recognised by DIT and other institutes of technology in Engineering and Electronics courses for alternative entry qualification. Our students have been particularly successful at third level." so you could end up moving on to Engineering in DIT.

Hope this helps!

RobertM

Piste wrote: »

This course looks like it'd be good for you: http://www.qualifax.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=15


To apply you only need your Leaving Cert, no subjects specified, just your LC. The application date is up until September 09 so you should be able to apply right away. It also says "This course is widely recognised by DIT and other institutes of technology in Engineering and Electronics courses for alternative entry qualification. Our students have been particularly successful at third level." so you could end up moving on to Engineering in DIT.

Hope this helps!

It just points me to the search page. not a course there.

Piste

Whoops, I'll try find the webpage. You have civil engineering in Dundalk down, that was 140 points last year, it could go down this year because of the decreasde in applications for engineering courses. That said, you might not have met the course requirements.

Ok I can't seem to fin d a link that will bring you straight to the page, so it'll have to be a copy and paste jobby.

Course Name Mechanical Engineering
Course Provider St. Kevin's College Crumlin
VTOS Information Click to View
Course Code CENGT
Course Type PLC Post Leaving Cert
Qualifications FETAC Level 5 Certificate from: Further Education and Training Awards Council
Apply To Course provider
Attendance Options Full time
Location (Districts) Crumlin
Course Content The aim of this course is to help entry into Mechanical Engineering through recognised apprenticeships or through third level courses elsewhere. The course has been quite successful for participants over the years frequently leading to immediate employment in the engineering industry.
FETAC Code CENGT - Engineering Technology
Duration 1 year
Course Fee All further Education courses are supported by the European Social Fund. There are no tuition fees for Irish students and students who are citizens of other EU Member states. Candidates who are Non-EU citizens should contact the college office for details of entry conditions. The cost for the following items:
Books, some equipment, clothing, student services, Students Union, examination fees and registration charges for professional bodies will continue to be borne by the student.
Financial Support

Expand+Maintenance grants are available to students attending full-time approved courses in St. Kevin's College. A means test applies and the level of the grant varies according to the distance from the student's home to the college. Students apply for the ...

Hide-Maintenance grants are available to students attending full-time approved courses in St. Kevin's College. A means test applies and the level of the grant varies according to the distance from the student's home to the college. Students apply for the PLC Maintenance grant to their local Vocational Education Committee (VEC). Information and application packs are available in late July of each year. Our student support officer will be happy to assist you with any difficulties you may have in completing the application form.
Interview Yes - March, April, May and early September
Application Date January to September 2009
Subjects Taught The areas covered are as follows:
- Engineering Workshop Processes and Practice
- Engineering Workshop Theory
- Computer Aided Design (2-D)
- Mechanics
- Mathematics
- Physics
- French
- Materials Science
- Communications
- Word Processing
- Work Experience
Mature Entry Places Mature students are welcome to apply
Entry Requirements Leaving Certificate or equivalent examination, although consideration will be given at the interview to any well-motivated student.

We are looking for enthusiasts.

Mature students are particularly welcome.
Careers or Further Progression This is recognised by DIT and other institutes of technology in Engineering courses for alternative entry qualification. We have a close link with the Institute of Technology, Tallaght. Our students have been particularly successful at third level.
Further Enquiries Course Co-ordinator
Mr Neil Dunphy
Tel: 01 453 6397
email: info@stkevins.cdvec.ie

ateam

Maybe try get a job or emigrate having got 140 points - that's pretty awful. Perhaps academia isn't for you.

Twilightning

ateam wrote: »

Maybe try get a job or emigrate having got 140 points - that's pretty awful. Perhaps academia isn't for you.

That's a real self-esteem booster for someone, right? Comments like that aren't helpful in the least and aren't welcome here.

ateam

Twilightning wrote: »

That's a real self-esteem booster for someone, right? Comments like that aren't helpful in the least and aren't welcome here.

Truth hurts.

Piste

ateam your comments are pretty insensitive, please try to be less rude and tactless in the future. There were much better ways of saying what you were trying to say without being hurtful. Poor tact and lack of social skills are far worse than bad academic skills.

fabgooner

ateam i don't think u'll b getting a job in de samaritans anytime soon

u shud really think before u write such unhelpful comments

Nerin

ateam Infracted. Any more comments like that and youre out.

pathway33

RobertM wrote: »

what are the other options at the moment ? except repeating.

the 3 year level 7 degree in engineering (BN015) in blanchardstown IT is on vacant places on www.cao.ie. You can apply for that tuesday at 12 i think if you don't have it on your cao. If it's on your cao and you satisfy these minimum requirements

The minimum entry requirements for standard entrants are a pass in five subjects (ordinary level) in the Leaving Certificate, to include Mathematics and English or Irish, or an equivalent qualification.

then you already have it.congratulations. enjoy your course. You can tell your mum to start looking at hats because you will have a degree in engineering in 3 years

NorthernRock

Does anyone know if you can get into GTI plc courses with 4 passes(1 in foundation)

ateam

Jes keep your hair on..Just offering my opinion. He's old enough to take it on the chin and or ignore it.

Craigsy

I'm in a bit pf a bad situation now, all my level 8's require a C3 in higher maths but i got a D1, still have some options yet, pretty sure ill defo get my level 7, can you progress from a level 7 into a level 8?

Nerin

ateam wrote: »

Jes keep your hair on..Just offering my opinion. He's old enough to take it on the chin and or ignore it.

Take it to pm or helpdesk if you've a problem with mod decisions.
Do Not post in this thread off topic again. Have some cop on. I'm very serious,do not reply unless in a pm.

KnifeWRENCH

ateam wrote: »

Jes keep your hair on..Just offering my opinion. He's old enough to take it on the chin and or ignore it.

Alright, clearly you have a complete lack of tact and your attitude suggests that you have nothing at all worthwhile to contribute here.

Banned.

pathway33

Craigsy wrote: »

I'm in a bit pf a bad situation now, all my level 8's require a C3 in higher maths but i got a D1, still have some options yet, pretty sure ill defo get my level 7, can you progress from a level 7 into a level 8?

some of the colleges do special maths exams for people who missed the HC3. They will probably be on next week or soon after. its the same level as higher leaving cert maths

Craigsy

pathway33 wrote: »

some of the colleges do special maths exams for people who missed the HC3. They will probably be on next week or soon after. its the same level as higher leaving cert maths

Yeah im already down for one of those, have the sample paper already and all

partyguinness

RobertM wrote: »

There are the courses I've applied to

Level 8 Course Choices:
1. DN072 Civil Engineering
2. DT025 Engineering - Common 1st Year
3. DN074 Mechanical Engineering
4. DN076 Biosystems Engineering
5. DT081 Computer and Communications Engineering
6. DC121 Computer Applications
7. DC195 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering
8. DC193 Mechatronic Engineering
9. BN106 Engineering (Computer Engineering)
10. BN105 Engineering (Mechatronics)

Level 7/6 Course Choices:
1. DT004 Civil Engineering
2. DK744 Engineering - Civil Engineering
3. DT007 Automotive Management and Technology
4. DT006 Mechanical Engineering
5. DT002 Engineering Systems Maintenance
6. DT005 Building Services Engineering
7. DK743 Engineering - Building Services Engineering
8. DK762 Communications (Creative Multimedia)
9. DT105 Architectural Technology
10. DT020 Preliminary Engineering






The first one's were around 400 points, but now I don't know.

As you have failed LC Engineering, do you really think you are cut out for Engineering at 3rd Level? I would respectivley suggest that you would seriously struggle to complete 1st Year Engineering at any college.

Did you expect to fail it?

Perhaps you should reconsider your choices.

KnifeWRENCH

partyguinness wrote: »

As you have failed LC Engineering, do you really think you are cut out for Engineering at 3rd Level?

Perhaps you should reconsider your choices.

None of us know why he failed Engineering: sometimes people just have a bad day at an exam.
Also, engineering is quite a broad subject and at 3rd level there'll be options to branch out into other areas.

If Engineering is what the OP really wants and he's determined enough to get it, then he'll surely find a way to achieve it.

tbh

RobertM wrote: »

hey there lads, Passed english, maths and french in my LC but failed 2 other subjects ( engineering and classical studies) do I have to repeat the year again ? very worried until monday.

if it's any consolation to you, the only thing I can remember about my leaving (which I did in 91, and again in 92) is that I got less points than you. And I'm grand It might take you longer to get where you want to go, but if you want it bad enough, you'll get there.

Chin up little dude, it's not as bad as you think.

partyguinness

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

None of us know why he failed Engineering: sometimes people just have a bad day at an exam.
Also, engineering is quite a broad subject and at 3rd level there'll be options to branch out into other areas.

If Engineering is what the OP really wants and he's determined enough to get it, then he'll surely find a way to achieve it.

I was asking the OP..not you.

RobertM

pathway33 wrote: »

the 3 year level 7 degree in engineering (BN015) in blanchardstown IT is on vacant places on www.cao.ie. You can apply for that tuesday at 12 i think if you don't have it on your cao. If it's on your cao and you satisfy these minimum requirements

The minimum entry requirements for standard entrants are a pass in five subjects (ordinary level) in the Leaving Certificate, to include Mathematics and English or Irish, or an equivalent qualification.

then you already have it.congratulations. enjoy your course. You can tell your mum to start looking at hats because you will have a degree in engineering in 3 years

I have applied in blanch as well

partyguinness wrote: »

As you have failed LC Engineering, do you really think you are cut out for Engineering at 3rd Level? I would respectivley suggest that you would seriously struggle to complete 1st Year Engineering at any college.

Did you expect to fail it?

Perhaps you should reconsider your choices.

of course I didn't expect to fail it, but on the practical day or teacher made us do a wrong piece and all of us messed up the piece. so I think that might have something to do with it. And for the project, he didn't really give us enough time after school to do it. He said he gave us time since November last year every morning to do it, but he rarely came in the mornings.

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

None of us know why he failed Engineering: sometimes people just have a bad day at an exam.
Also, engineering is quite a broad subject and at 3rd level there'll be options to branch out into other areas.

If Engineering is what the OP really wants and he's determined enough to get it, then he'll surely find a way to achieve it.

Actually Engineering is the subject that I Love, but I actually don't know what happened to me that day.

Fol20

Twilightning wrote: »

The LC is nothing but a stupid allocation mechanism, so you shouldn't feel that way. I'm not getting into college this year because I did badly in an area that's always been my weakest area and that has/will never have any bearing on my life or my intelligence.

Not to be a prude but it is what it is and people have to make the best of it...Im not a big fan of it myself but come on like, what other way could they test your mental ability

~me~

theres always more than one way to skin a cat! dont give up hope, if you're determined enough you'll get to do what you want! does your school not have a career guidance teacher in for the next few days to help with this kinda thing? you'll be grand, in a few years you'll be wondering why you worried so much!

KnifeWRENCH

partyguinness wrote: »

I was asking the OP..not you.

:rolleyes:

Well I thought your question was a bit harsh, which is why I responded.
If he has pretty much filled his CAO with Engineering courses, then it's a pretty good indication that it's what he wants. Asking him if he should consider something else, only hours after he got his results, is not appropriate tbh.

petes

I didn't get the points I wanted to get first time around. I repeated and did a bit better. Don't sweat it. You'll be fine.

Minor setback. It's only a year if you repeat.

Twilightning

Fol20 wrote: »

Not to be a prude but it is what it is and people have to make the best of it...Im not a big fan of it myself but come on like, what other way could they test your mental ability

There's plenty of other ways to test one's mental ability. A majority of the time, it's nothing but learning notes off and cramming in useless information on stuff that's totally irrelevant to the real world.

Why did I have to study a poem in a redundant language about a nutcase who gets on the bus in his pyjamas when what I want to do is psychology? How is learning the theme, issue and cultural context of a novel I don't even find remotely challenging or interesting (Curious Incident) helping me test my mental ability? Why is learning the signatories of the Irish Proclamation helpful to me when I what I want to do in life is design websites?

I know I have mental ability, and the Leaving Certificate is far from the best way of testing one's academic ability. I don't want to derail the topic any further by going on about whether or not we could do away with the LC but that's just my two cents on the issue.

Craigsy

Can you advance from a level 7 into a level 8 degree? I wanted a level 8 but i didnt get a C3 in higher maths. Should get my choice in the level &, Mech eng in DIT, was 330 last year, i got 415.Doing the maths again though so still a hope i may get the level 8. going for a recheck in maths though on the off chance i actually manage a C3

Naikon

PLC course -> level 7 degree -> level 8 degree

This route can be taken as you simply need to pass 5 subjects in the
LC to apply for a PLC course. 25 points minimum and you are in.

Just remember to work hard, and you will have a very, very good chance
of getting into DIT or other IT's around the country.

I know some people who have taken this route, and are doing
very well. As said before, Chin up dude:)

Naikon

Craigsy wrote: »

Can you advance from a level 7 into a level 8 degree? I wanted a level 8 but i didnt get a C3 in higher maths. Should get my choice in the level &, Mech eng in DIT, was 330 last year, i got 415.Doing the maths again though so still a hope i may get the level 8. going for a recheck in maths though on the off chance i actually manage a C3

Yep, DIT and most colleges do this.

Go for the level 7 Engineering degree in say DIT, and advance straight to 4th year
when you finish 3th year, which means you can get an hons degree.

You seem to have the aptitude, shoot for it.
Just make sure it'š what you really want to do.

That_Guy

RobertM wrote: »

140 points. i feel like a total retard right now

Mate don't put yourself down like that. You just had a bad time in the exams. It happens and is common. I'm sure you're more intelligent than you think you are right now.

Go out tonight, forget about it and assess your options next week with a clear mind. Everything will be ok. The LC is NOT the end of the world. Don't forget that.