Chivalry

TradeSecrets

I was going home on the commuter train from Dublin to Maynooth about 2 weeks ago. I fell asleep for a couple of mins and when I woke up, I heard two women standing in the aisle beside my seat pass a comment that "Chivalry must be dead in Ireland or some people are choosing to ignore this". This was directed at me.

My problem is:

• I had a sprained anke and needed to sit down. I know they didn't know this but they automatically assumed I didn't require a seat
• Women automatically think they are entitled to a seat

These were able bodied women who were in their 40's. Why should men have to give up their seat for people like this? They are well capable of standing like any other man.

Don't get me wrong if there was a pregnant woman or elderly woman or any person who looked like they needed a seat I would be first one to offer and have done so on many occasions but I don't agree with having to give up my seat for women who are well capable of standing for 20 mins (maximum journey on the train)

Any thoughts??

Long Onion

Grammar must be morer deadder

FearDark

Well in this country its one rule for the women and one for the men.

Rabies

chivalry when it suits them

Big_G

Chivalry. And yes it is dead. Women should get over it.

Silverfish

As an act of chivalry I'm going to tell you it's 'chivalry'.

biko

Get off the seat you bum

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The responce you should have given them was, "yes, madam - death by Feminism."

Slow Motion

OP, regardless of the ankle you should have manfully struggled to your feet, patted one of them on the bum and said in as condecending a manner as possible "There you go chicken!"

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Lollipops23

pair of tools.

i would never expect a seat from someone unless i was a) heavily pregnant or b) like 80 (and i'd expect old men to get the same treatment).

i'd actually be offended if a young fella got up and gave me his seat, it's like saying i'm the weaker sex and need it more than him. please don't judge my entire gender by this pair of idiots:o

FearDark

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Whats Jean Luc Picards redarded brother got to do with this?

ejmaztec

If a man wears a sign around his neck saying "I carnt spel", women won't expect him to give up his seat. It's one of those less obvious disabilities.

fitz0

I believe gender equality killed chivalry.

speedboatchase

Slow Motion wrote: »

OP, regardless of the ankle you should have manfully struggled to your feet, patted one of them on the bum and said in as condecending a manner as possible "There you go chicken!"

QFT. Although it should be a sexist leering grab to emphasise the point

irelandrover

It seems to me you can't win. If you get up to try give up your seat you're given out to for saying that women are the weaker sex (this has happened to me) but then if you don't get up you get given out to as well. The worst is when there is a fat women and you're not sure if she's pregnant or not. That really is a tough situation to be in.

Delirium

You should have asked what they were doing out in public without a chaperone:pac:

Captain Darling

TradeSecrets wrote: »

Shivilery

Shivilery me timbers. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

sharms

oh my god nothing annoys me more.. but it's those exact people that make those comments that don't deserve anyone to offer them a seat..more a slap across the face. i get the train home everyday and the blunt rudeness of people drives me crazy... now i wait for my train for probably 20 minutes everyday and before it comes there are at least 2 darts that pass so most people get on them. when my train comes..well there are never any seats..been getting it for 3 years so i'm in no rush to get on in the hope of getting one... obv..common courtesy i stand to the side of the door and let the people off... but there's the people who stand directly infront of them...it's like..are you braindead..you cant get on if you dont let them off... anyways...* rant * there was this man and woman who get the everyday and they had two children in buggies with them and i was, as i always do, let them on first, so as i was standing to the side this old woman turns to me in such an aggressive b*itchy tone "will you get out of the way and let them on" i was just like oh my god the man and woman had to apologse for this complete stranger.. anyways they get on the woman gets 2 seats for her and her husband and the old lady pushes the husband out of the way... its like wtf!!!!

Dr_H_Lecter

Pair of wenches.
I would have stood up, given them a smile, stretched a bit and sat back down.:)

mmmm comfy comfy seat.

humanji

Dr_H_Lecter wrote: »

Pair of wenches.
I would have stood up, given them a smile, stretched a bit and sat back down.:)

mmmm comfy comfy seat.

No, he should of stood up, cock slapped them and then sat back down.

Nuggles

Those women sound like posh ladies who never take public transport.

You give up your seat for pregnant women, woman with toddlers, the elderly and a person with a physical disability.

Such as a sprained ankle.

Nothing to do with chivalry, these rules should apply to everyone.

BraziliaNZ

Chivalry died with virtue, after that it just wasn't worth it

Long Onion

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Chivalry died with virtue, after that it just wasn't worth it

Exactly, it all comes back to the same thing - a fundamental failure to put out. The knights of the round table didn'y go jousting and chasing the questing beast just for jollies you know. If they knew they weren't gonna get any action they would have knocked chivalry on the head.

You can't ahve it both ways girls (fnar, fnar)

Turd Ferguson

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Chivalry died with virtue, after that it just wasn't worth it

No, chivalry died wen they got the right to vote. You cant have it both ways I'm afraid

Sea Sharp

I say feck them.
If I have to listen to all this Beyonce "Independent Woman" crap and the new sexually liberated 'sex and the city' generation well then you can go and f*ck off and open your own jar!!!!

Gentleman my hole.

Nuggles

TradeSecrets wrote: »

I fell asleep for a couple of mins and when I woke up, I heard two women standing in the aisle beside my seat pass a comment that "Chivalry must be dead in Ireland or some people are choosing to ignore this". This was directed at me. .

Are you sure? I mean, you were asleep. You couldn't give up your seat while asleep. Maybe a heavily pregnant woman with a toddler passed through and no one got up for her and you missed it.

metamorphosis

i always automatically give up my seat for preggers wimmen, elderly, people who look like they need to sit down.

What bugs me is a women in her 30's, has clearly never been on public transport before and walks on with a sense of entitlement that she autmatically should be given a seat. **** OFF YOU STUPID ****. I am not giving you my seat you air head delusional bitch

drunkymonkey

sharms wrote: »

oh my god nothing annoys me more.. but it's those exact people that make those comments that don't deserve anyone to offer them a seat..more a slap across the face. i get the train home everyday and the blunt rudeness of people drives me crazy... now i wait for my train for probably 20 minutes everyday and before it comes there are at least 2 darts that pass so most people get on them. when my train comes..well there are never any seats..been getting it for 3 years so i'm in no rush to get on in the hope of getting one... obv..common courtesy i stand to the side of the door and let the people off... but there's the people who stand directly infront of them...it's like..are you braindead..you cant get on if you dont let them off... anyways...* rant * there was this man and woman who get the everyday and they had two children in buggies with them and i was, as i always do, let them on first, so as i was standing to the side this old woman turns to me in such an aggressive b*itchy tone "will you get out of the way and let them on" i was just like oh my god the man and woman had to apologse for this complete stranger.. anyways they get on the woman gets 2 seats for her and her husband and the old lady pushes the husband out of the way... its like wtf!!!!

Jesus, Welcome to Boards

Use paragraphs!

tolosenc

I would have fully engaged them in their conversation about the death of chivalry, agreeing with them the whole way, and pretending not to see any irony in it. That or make some sexist jibe, or reference the misandry broadcast by the RSA...

Hagar

Just say "Sorry love I didn't know you were up the duff, I thought you were just fat, here take a seat those veins on your legs must be killing you".

Chivalry isn't dead, it's just getting harder to find ladies.

El Siglo

fitz0 wrote: »

I believe gender equality killed chivalry.

No chivalry is dead and women have killed it, especially if women emulate these characters.

DeCoR18

Lollipops23 wrote: »

i'd actually be offended if a young fella got up and gave me his seat, it's like saying i'm the weaker sex and need it more than him. please don't judge my entire gender by this pair of idiots:o

No I won't but I'll judge you based on the absolute ****ing ****e you just typed there.

Thanks.

DeCoR.

Nuggles

I'd be suspicious if a guy offered me a seat. I'm a young perfectly able-bodied person.

It'd be weird to offer me a seat.

--Kaiser--

Reminds me of the phrase "Lifeboat Feminists"

'Equality for all, but women and children first!'

El Siglo

Nuggles wrote: »

I'd be suspicious if a guy offered me a seat. I'm a young perfectly able-bodied person.

It'd be weird to offer me a seat.

You see this is problem men are faced with, "How dare you offer me a seat, while I was perfectly able to stand, stop demeaning me as a strong confident woman that I am!" It's being polite so it is, but of course that's gone as well along with courtesy, manners, decorum etc...

Nuggles

I wouldn't be offended, I'd be wondering why a guy would do it. I don't expect it.

I mean if a girl offered me her seat I'd decline, I don't need it, why offer it to me?

Like someone opening a door for me I don't plan to walk through, I'd find it weird.

Slow Motion

Slow Motion wrote: »

OP, regardless of the ankle you should have manfully struggled to your feet, patted one of them on the bum and said in as condecending a manner as possible "There you go chicken!"

Do a monkfish:

"Oi, don't just stand there, put your knickers on and go an' make me a cup o' tea"

stovelid

Unless they're pregnant or elderly, they can stand.

Chivalry, my hole.

Overheal

Chivalry and Equality are mutually exclusive. If you want my seat on the subway for no other reason than you're a woman, you'd want to have cooked me something first.

blackiebest

Sad to see so many cynical responses.

I was brought up to hold open the door, not swear in ladies presence, offer my seat etc to the fairer sex, not because they are women, but because I wish to be a gentleman.

I do not give a toss if a woman/Lady is offended if I offer to assist, I do it because its a nice thing to be, a gentleman.

brandon_flowers

blackiebest wrote: »

Sad to see so many cynical responses.

I was brought up to hold open the door, not swear in ladies presence, offer my seat etc to the fairer sex, not because they are women, but because I wish to be a gentleman.

I do not give a toss if a woman/Lady is offended if I offer to assist, I do it because its a nice thing to be, a gentleman.

That is the problem right there, the majority of people were dragged up in this country.

Nuggles

I was brought up to open doors, not to swear at all, offer my seat to people who need it, to say please and thank you. Not to be a gentleman, but to be polite.


I think some people here are getting manners( which both genders should have) and chivalry.

I hear chivalry I think of a guy throwing his coat on a puddle for a woman to stand on.

Local-womanizer

blackiebest wrote: »

Sad to see so many cynical responses.

I was brought up to hold open the door, not swear in ladies presence, offer my seat etc to the fairer sex, not because they are women, but because I wish to be a gentleman.

I do not give a toss if a woman/Lady is offended if I offer to assist, I do it because its a nice thing to be, a gentleman.

I will hold a door open,but I would hold it open for anyone,its called commom courtesy,and should not be gender related tbh.

Being entitled to a seat just because you have a gee is silly.At the least I would scoot over to make as much room as possible.

stovelid

I have manners.

But they don't involve giving up a seat to a perfectly able-bodied woman just because I have some corny, antiquated notion of her as a damsel that requires the solicitations of a 'gentleman'.

Perhaps if I lived on a plantation in the American South in the 1800s, I'd think differently.

Holding a door open for anybody is mannerly. Creepy, chivalrous attendance on women simply because they are women is corny, and, in a lot of cases, sexually motivated anyway.

hshortt

Nuggles wrote: »

You give up your seat for pregnant women, woman with toddlers, the elderly and a person with a physical disability.

You forgot 'Hot'.

Nuggles

Most women don't expect this stuff right?

None I know expect special treatment because they're women.

You guys are moaning about this, but do you actually bump into women who expect you to greet them with a kiss on the hand and "enchantée".

Nuggles

hshortt wrote: »

You forgot 'Hot'.

There's no one hotter than me on the bus.

blackiebest

Nuggles wrote: »

I was brought up to open doors, not to swear at all, offer my seat to people who need it, to say please and thank you. Not to be a gentleman, but to be polite.


I think some people here are getting manners( which both genders should have) and chivalry.

I hear chivalry I think of a guy throwing his coat on a puddle for a woman to stand on.

Fair comment but same thing to me, manners is essentially what I mean.

"Today, the terms chivalry and chivalrous are used to describe courteous behavior, especially that of men towards women." wiki

DeCoR18

stovelid wrote: »

in a lot of cases, sexually motivated anyway.

Of course it is and maybe if young women were more receptive to it people would have more chances of meeting people other than going and getting s_hitfaced in a club. The way men and women interact in Ireland is ****ing weird to be honest.

Nuggles

I've be chatted up on a bus by an Irish guy. . .