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Decline of Respect/Morals in Society?
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04-08-2009 10:22pm#1Couldn't think of a better title.
So me and my dad were talking today about this lad who threw bleach into the face of a woman who had told him and his fellow scum to be quiet during Harry Potter.. fair do's, it might have been a bit irritating, but what's wrong with just rolling your eyes at her.. but fúcking burning them?!
Dad was saying 'back in the day' people sorted out their problems through a fight - just a normal fist fight, none of this knife shiit. A few punches, that was it. Now these morons make it a mission to 'slash' anyone who they don't like.
Years ago so I'm told, a murder would be massive news - nowadays, at least one a day is almost expected.
Why is it now that people are generally more violent, lacking in morals and so completed detached from normality? If it was upbringing, wouldn't their parents have recieved the same upbringing, and been just as bad... why has society been corrupted so much that death is nothing surprising to most people, and commonplace in cities?
What's changed?
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its money - people got too greedy family life went out the window wit manners and self respect - not many hav any respect anymore!! its getting worse!! Im only 4 yrs out of school - started teaching again this year - couldnt beliv the changes in 4 yrs!! Its scary!!!!! 0
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Stressless breeding takes it's toll.What's changed?
See all those kids on the streets at 11-12pm including 8-10 years old girls? They have no stress, they cannot be punished for anything they do, if they trow a stone at you, you can't say a word - because they are KIDS! You are the one who's gonna be in trouble, not them. Do you really think that when they grow up, they will act like a normal human being, a member of society that reckons whats good and whats bad?
See all these teenagers? They don't give a s*it about Gards, they know that Gards won't touch them, as they're under 18 and they're laughing... They have no stress either, they know that whatever they do will have no repercussions at all.
World is upside down, there is no respect, no rules, no honour anymore. Drugs and money are priorities. I'm afraid to think how it is gonna look like in about 20 years from now.0 -
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bean na gaeilge wrote: »its money - people got too greedy family life went out the window wit manners and self respect - not many hav any respect anymore!! its getting worse!! Im only 4 yrs out of school - started teaching again this year - couldnt beliv the changes in 4 yrs!! Its scary!!!!!
I find your grammer and spelling quite scary if you're a teacher! :eek:0 -
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Why is it now that people are generally more violent, lacking in morals and so completed detached from normality? If it was upbringing, wouldn't their parents have recieved the same upbringing, and been just as bad... why has society been corrupted so much that death is nothing surprising to most people, and commonplace in cities?
If I may open a big can of worms with this one
I think this is going to be an issue with many societies where faith has been rejected by a lot of people. Countries which have formerly based their values on religious tenets, when those religious tenets are rejected are going to have a void in morality and ethics while they seek for a coherent replacement.
The problem is if we take the postmodern view that there are no absolutes, it will be incredibly difficult for people to find this coherent secular replacement for former values that people held, leading to a lack of clarity in how to pass on values and morals to people. If everything is subjective, people can make up their own minds for themselves on what morals they hold, which ultimately is far from consistent.
Edit: It could also be something to do with the deterioration of the value of life and people regarding it as more dispensible.0 -
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Couldn't think of a better title.
So me and my dad were talking today about this lad who threw bleach into the face of a woman who had told him and his fellow scum to be quiet during Harry Potter.. fair do's, it might have been a bit irritating, but what's wrong with just rolling your eyes at her.. but fúcking burning them?!
Dad was saying 'back in the day' people sorted out their problems through a fight - just a normal fist fight, none of this knife shiit. A few punches, that was it. Now these morons make it a mission to 'slash' anyone who they don't like.
Years ago so I'm told, a murder would be massive news - nowadays, at least one a day is almost expected.
Why is it now that people are generally more violent, lacking in morals and so completed detached from normality? If it was upbringing, wouldn't their parents have recieved the same upbringing, and been just as bad... why has society been corrupted so much that death is nothing surprising to most people, and commonplace in cities?
What's changed?
Americans are pretty much in charge.0 -
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That study makes no correllation between rates of crime in a country and religious belief amongst the population from what I can see.
I never said it did, I'm refuting the notion that Sweden has a low violent crime rate which another user posted. Keep up
My opinion on why violent crime has increased in the UK is merely a theory which has been discussed by conservative commentators (such as Peter Hitchens) there as well.
The OP asked, why are people generally more violent, and lacking in morality. He also wondered what has changed.
My take is that Britain itself has changed:
They are more violent because life isn't valued as much as it used to be in Britain, which is true.
They are lacking in morals due to the rejection of the former system of morality in favour of a subjective means of personal morality influenced by the postmodern idea that there are no absolutes leading to a lack of clarity.
I said clearly that it was opening a can of worms, and indeed it did as I expected 0 -
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I never said it did, I'm refuting the notion that Sweden has a low violent crime rate which another user posted. Keep up
My opinion on why violent crime has increased in the UK is merely a theory which has been discussed by conservative commentators there as well.
The OP asked, why are people generally more violent, and lacking in morality. My take is:
They are more violent because life isn't valued as much as it used to be in Britain, which is true.
They are lacking in morals due to the rejection of the former system of morality in favour of a subjective means of personal morality influenced by the postmodern idea that there are no absolutes leading to a lack of clarity.
I said clearly that it was opening a can of worms, and indeed it did as I expected
Your original posts put forward the position that cultures/countries become more violent as the culture/members of the population become less religious. To support this position you put forward the names of a few countries which are generally thought of to be athiest countries and stated they have violent crime rates, citing the study I quoted as an example. I don't debate the figures of the study (although I do find them dubious personally), what I don't understand is the jump from a rejection of a former system of morals necessarily being a rejection of religion, as religion is not the only source or inspiration of morality in a culture.
Arguing that the rejection of a former moral system and life isn't as valued as it formerly was is an interesting position, but I think it is jumping the gun a bit and putting the cart before the horse to say it all boils down to the decline of religion.0 -
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Your original posts put forward the position that cultures/countries become me violent as the culture/members of the population become less religious.
It's not even that. It's more based on a buffer period where one morality has been rejected and people are trying to find a non-religious set of morals that are as effective as the former religious ones.To support this position you put forward the names of a few countries which are generally thought of to be athiest countries and stated they have violent crime rates, citing the study I quoted as an example.
I don't consider them "atheist" countries. Rather countries that have gotten more violent as more people have rejected the former Christianity of their respective nations. I personally wouldn't consider Britain an atheist nation, but a nation that is forgetting it's former Christian values.I don't debate the figures of the study (although I do find them dubious personally), what I don't understand is the jump from a rejection of a former system of morals necessarily being a rejection of religion, as religion is not the only source or inspiration of morality in a culture.
A rejection of a system of ethics is surely going to lead to confusion? At least I would have thought that it is somewhat reasonable.
I never said that religion was the only source of morality, but that it is generally more coherent than values based on subjectivism and postmodernism.
I find it funny because atheists usually argue that Christianity was merely contrived as a means of controlling people and keeping them good (which isn't really accurate), and yet when I argue this it's straight on the defence for many :pac:Arguing that the rejection of a former moral system and life isn't as valued as it formerly was is an interesting position, but I think it is jumping the gun a bit and putting the cart before the horse to say it all boils down to the decline of religion.
I don't claim my position as fact, but as a theory of mine. It also served the purpose of sparking discussion 0 -
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It's not even that. It's more based on a buffer period where one morality has been rejected and people are trying to find a non-religious set of morals that are as effective as the former religious ones.
I don't consider them "atheist" countries. Rather countries that have gotten more violent as more people have rejected the former Christianity of their respective nations. I personally wouldn't consider Britain an atheist nation, but a nation that is forgetting it's former Christian values.
A rejection of a system of ethics is surely going to lead to confusion? At least I would have thought that it is somewhat reasonable.
I never said that religion was the only source of morality, but that it is generally more coherent than values based on subjectivism and postmodernism.
I find it funny because atheists usually argue that Christianity was merely contrived as a means of controlling people and keeping them good (which isn't really accurate), and yet when I argue this it's straight on the defence for many :pac:
I don't claim my position as fact, but as a theory of mine. It also served the purpose of sparking discussion
No problem at all, I agree that your theory is interesting and might hold some merit as the change of the moral standpoint of a culture and the rejection of formerly accepted social norms could lead to a backlash as people rebel against the old morality.
I don't agree about singling out the decline of christianity as the main reason for the rise in violent crime however. What about countries with little or no Christian influence which have a prevailing anti-humanist culture, China for example, or countries like the United States or Brazil which still have a massive christian presence in their culture and influence in terms of morality but is renowned for violent crime/murder?
I'm open to the idea of a change in moral values leading to a rise in crime, but I think that putting it down to the decline in christian belief is a bit far fetched and seems to be getting the issue backwards and looking for reasons why rejecting christianity is bad rather than looking for causes of vthe increase in violent crime. It just seems to me that the position seems to have started with the answer and then looking for the question I'm afraid rather than the other way around0 -
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