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walshb · 10-07-2009 9:49am #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0710/comminss.html

I wonder if this was a black woman kidnapped would we hear
a peep from the world. This is now big news everywhere
with convoys flying here and there to secure a release.

These people aren't wanted in these countries, causing more bloody
harm than good.

shenanigans1982 · 10-07-2009 9:55am

Wasn't there a black woman kidnapped too?

cosmic · 10-07-2009 9:57am

one of them is black!

fail...

Edit: oh, beaten to it!

walshb · 10-07-2009 9:58am

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Wasn't there a black woman kidnapped too?

Yes, but my point is that had that been just a black woman or two black women, it wouldn't have even made the news. The fact that it was a white western woman TOO, was why we have all this hype surrounding it.

cosmic · 10-07-2009 10:00am

walshb wrote: »

The fact that it was a white western woman, was why we have all this hype surrounding it.

I think the fact that we have all this hype is because we're Irish and so is she!

super_furry · 10-07-2009 10:00am

This is Ireland. An Irish woman was kidnapped in a foriegn country while trying to help improve the living conditions of the people living there. Of course it's news.

biko · 10-07-2009 10:02am

It's up/down there with the news coverage of three Texans refused entry to Ireland zomg.

And still no-one has heard of Marwa al-Sherbini, a pregnant woman stabbed 18 times in a German court room (mind that's not in Ireland but big news to me anyway).

javaboy · 10-07-2009 10:03am

The palm bone's connected to the ...face bone!

10-07-2009 10:03am

It doesn't matter if they're black or white.

*EDIT sh1t, wrong thread

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:05am

super_furry wrote: »

This is Ireland. An Irish woman was kidnapped in a foriegn country while trying to help improve the living conditions of the people living there. Of course it's news.

And how do they thank her? They kidnap her:rolleyes:

Like I said, these people are causing conflict in these countries

WindSock · 10-07-2009 10:06am

Glad to hear they have been found safe and well. It must have been terrifying for them.

carlybabe1 · 10-07-2009 10:12am

walshb wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0710/comminss.html

I wonder if this was a black woman kidnapped would we hear
a peep from the world. This is now big news everywhere
with convoys flying here and there to secure a release.

These people aren't wanted in these countries, causing more bloody
harm than good.

Ah I see, so, this women goes over there, shes an IRISH AID worker, she helps the civillians, but its still HER FAULT that shes kidnapped by extremist?????

And we heard more than a peep when a black woman was imprisoned FOR SMUGGLING DRUGS, it was all over the news, were you asleep that week?????

Intelligent post :rolleyes:

ejmaztec · 10-07-2009 10:13am

Whatever happened to the Germans kidnapped in the Yemen a few weeks ago? Nothing much, if anything, in the news since.

0ubliette · 10-07-2009 10:14am

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but my point is that had that been just a black woman or two black women, it wouldn't have even made the news. The fact that it was a white western woman TOO, was why we have all this hype surrounding it.

of course we wouldnt care, didnt you get the memo? All Irish are racist now and we dont give a toss about the nig nogs

carlybabe1 · 10-07-2009 10:15am

walshb wrote: »

And how do they thank her? They kidnap her:rolleyes:

Like I said, these people are causing conflict in these countries

Such BUL*****E!!!!! The conflict is there already, these people are there for the civillians, you know, to HELP the men women and kids that are affected by the conflict..:mad:........

Oh wait, Sorry, only just twigged this is a joke thread...:o:o:o sorry:o:o:o

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:16am

carlybabe1 wrote: »

Ah I see, so, this women goes over there, shes an IRISH AID worker, she helps the civillians, but its still HER FAULT that shes kidnapped by extremist?????

And we heard more than a peep when a black woman was imprisoned FOR SMUGGLING DRUGS, it was all over the news, were you asleep that week?????

Intelligent post :rolleyes:

Did I say it was her fault. I said this is how they thank her and her help.
The aid workers in these countries are causing more trouble than they are solving.
The conflict may have always been there, but the western interference isn't helping

ejmaztec · 10-07-2009 10:16am

0ubliette wrote: »

of course we wouldnt care, didnt you get the memo? All Irish are racist now and we dont give a toss about the nig nogs

Yep, all that Concern money is only getting as far as a casino in Monaco.

Dinter · 10-07-2009 10:21am

walshb wrote: »

And how do they thank her? They kidnap her:rolleyes:

Like I said, these people are causing conflict in these countries

They kidnapped her for money.

This is not a political statement on their part against charity workers. These guys don't give a shit about their neighbours improving their lots. They'll always have enough of everything because they've got the weapons to steal it. Their idea of a free and fair disbursement of food and resources is to take what they want.

The people causing conflict in Darfur are the militias that the Sudanese government are turning loose on the people forced through circumstances to live there.

It's easy to condemn foreign charity workers when you're not dependent on them for food.

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:23am

Dinter wrote: »

They kidnapped her for money.

This is not a political statement on their part against charity workers. These guys don't give a shit about their neighbours improving their lots. They'll always have enough of everything because they've got the weapons to steal it. Their idea of a free and fair disbursement of food and resources is to take what they want.

The people causing conflict in Darfur are the militias that the Sudanese government are turning loose on the people forced through circumstances to live there.

It's easy to condemn foreign charity workers when you're not dependent on them for food.

Dinter, valid point. It just seems to me that their "charity" work is causing issues and conflict
too. Many are not wanted and are resented for being there and this is causing further problems

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 10:32am

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Wasn't there a black woman kidnapped too?

Where does it say the Ugandan woman was black?

Are we all racist enough to assume there can't be a white person from Uganda

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:35am

Quazzie wrote: »

Where does it say the Ugandan woman was black?

Are we all racist enough to assume there can't be a white person from Uganda

It doesn't state if she was black. There is a picture of her.

My point is that if two BLACK workers were kidnapped and non westerners,
I doubt it would make any news.

BTW, why would it be racist to assume a person from Uganda is more than likely black and
not white?

cosmic · 10-07-2009 10:38am

walshb wrote: »

It doesn't state if she was black. There is a picture of her.

Her picture was on the news. Jeez...

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:39am

cosmic wrote: »

Her picture was on the news. Jeez...

I know, but she's lucky, had there not been a western white woman with her, nobody
would have a clue

shenanigans1982 · 10-07-2009 10:40am

Quazzie wrote: »

Where does it say the Ugandan woman was black?

Are we all racist enough to assume there can't be a white person from Uganda

Assuming she is black makes me a racist? I hadn't seen a picture of the Irish woman kidnapped until earlier on but I would have assumed she was white....would that make me a racist or would I just be playing the odds?

Besides the worst it could make me is an ass.

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 10:40am

walshb wrote: »

It doesn't state if she was black. There is a picture of her.

I must have it blocked or something all I can see in that article is a blonde white woman.

walshb wrote: »

IMy point is that if two BLACK workers were kidnapped and non westerners,
I doubt it would make any news.

How would it have any bearing on Irish News reporting if two women from another country with no direct links to anyone here, went missing? Its reported because she is Irish, not white. Do you think if she was a black Irish person the news wouldn't report it?

walshb wrote: »

BTW, why would it be racist to assume a person from Uganda is more than likely black and
not white?

Because you are assuming someone skin colour based on their country of birth.

FlutterinBantam · 10-07-2009 10:40am

A few salient points if I may.

The reason this is getting so much publicity is that the woman is IRISH and we are in Ireland,hence it's news.

I doubt if it's getting too much media time in France Italy Sweden etc.

I am rather interested in John O'Shea's apparent attitude, for a man who constantly berated the Irish Govt. and govts. around the globe he now seems to be best buddies with the Irish Foreign affairs people.

While not doubting his motives he seems to me to be trying to hunt with the hounds and run with the hare on this one.
That is, berate the people in power with a undisciplined barrage of fire and then run to them when something goes wrong.

Sounds a bit incongruous and hypocritical to this poster.

cosmic · 10-07-2009 10:41am

walshb wrote: »

I know, but she's lucky, had there not been a western white woman with her, nobody
would have a clue

Lucky for her there was so! :pac:

Dinter · 10-07-2009 10:41am

walshb wrote: »

I know, but she's lucky, had there not been a western white woman with her, nobody
would have a clue

If the news took into account every single incident of violence that happens to every single person in the world each bulletin would take about 12 weeks.

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 10:42am

walshb wrote: »

I know, but she's lucky, had there not been a western white woman with her, nobody in Ireland
would have a clue

FYP

I'm pretty sure the Ugandan and Sudanese press would still report it.

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:46am

I understand fully that because she is Irish and was kidnapped that it will make news here.
I just think also, that the fact she's a western and white woman, that this is hyped and that had she been an aid worker, black and African, NO news would have reported it.

It's not just in Ireland that this is being dished out!

Dinter · 10-07-2009 10:49am

I can't say I see what's hyped about it.

Irish woman kidnapped. People hope she's returned.

walshb · 10-07-2009 10:52am

Dinter wrote: »

I can't say I see what's hyped about it.

Irish woman kidnapped. People hope she's returned.

As do I. And if I ever saw her, I would tell her to count her lucky stars and get the **** out of the **** hole; but I guarantee, should she be saved, it will be, "Oh, this isn't going to stop me, I am going to stay here for the long haul."

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 11:00am

I'm really confused

Whats the issue here? The fact that she is Irish and therefore our press have reported on it? The fact that we wouldn't have heard about the situation, were it two Ugandan women because our press wouldn't have reported on it? Or is the issue that the woman in question is determined to help the people in that area, even at the point of risking her own life?

super_furry · 10-07-2009 11:04am

All of the above. I think. Not sure why though.

togster · 10-07-2009 11:11am

What is the problem here?

She's IRISH. So it has nothing to do with her skin colour.

She is a charity worker. She does a noble thing like volunteer and the usual cynics try and knock her.

For god sake Walshb, it must be a pain in the arse to be so cynical all the time.

togster · 10-07-2009 11:11am

walshb wrote: »

As do I. And if I ever saw her, I would tell her to count her lucky stars and get the **** out of the **** hole; but I guarantee, should she be saved, it will be, "Oh, this isn't going to stop me, I am going to stay here for the long haul."

WTF is your problem?

K-9 · 10-07-2009 11:16am

walshb wrote: »

Dinter, valid point. It just seems to me that their "charity" work is causing issues and conflict
too. Many are not wanted and are resented for being there and this is causing further problems

Suppose we should just give up then.

10-07-2009 11:16am

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A few salient points if I may.....

Who are you, and what have you done with the Flutt?

Dinter · 10-07-2009 11:18am

What is ironic is that whatever ransom is paid for her release will, in all probability, pay for more armaments resulting in more violence so in that respect walshb is correct in saying that having aid workers there may cause "more bloody harm than good"

togster · 10-07-2009 11:20am

Dinter wrote: »

What is ironic is that whatever ransom is paid for her release will, in all probability, pay for more armaments resulting in more violence so in that respect walshb is correct in saying that having aid workers there may cause "more bloody harm than good"

All conjecture. What i do know is that many of these people have saved peoples lives. That's all that matters.

deadhead13 · 10-07-2009 11:21am

I'd be more concerned about the media attention given to a tree stump.

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 11:22am

Dinter wrote: »

What is ironic is that whatever ransom is paid for her release will, in all probability, pay for more armaments resulting in more violence so in that respect walshb is correct in saying that having aid workers there may cause "more bloody harm than good"

So in your theory the "ransom" paid will be worth more to the kidnappers than the good work supplied to the innocent, by all of the aid workers combined? And therefore we should abandon our morales and abandon the innocent for fear that someday the terrorists might prosper from one of their missions to cause upheaval and chaos.

I just want to make sure I'm reading your post correctly before I laugh.

walshb · 10-07-2009 11:25am

togster wrote: »

WTF is your problem?

Maybe I am cynical, but it's better than being so aggressive

togster · 10-07-2009 11:26am

walshb wrote: »

Maybe I am cynical, though it's better than being so aggressive.

Apologies.

These people do great work in areas where you and others have forgotten about. They got of their arses and did something to help people in need.

Cynicism will ruin your life walshb. Fortunately for human kind some people see past skin colour and agenda and cynicism and go and do something rather than whinge about it.

walshb · 10-07-2009 11:26am

Quazzie wrote: »

So in your theory the "ransom" paid will be worth more to the kidnappers than the good work supplied to the innocent, by all of the aid workers combined? And therefore we should abandon our morales and abandon the innocent for fear that someday the terrorists might prosper from one of their missions to cause upheaval and chaos.

I just want to make sure I'm reading your post correctly before I laugh.

Well some, and me included, think that western interference in these countries is actually
doing more harm than good.

togster · 10-07-2009 11:28am

walshb wrote: »

Well some, and me included, think that western interference in these countries is actually
doing more harm than good.

Western interferance is the cause of many of these situations yes.

Western interferance adopts many forms.

Well meaning charity workers does not equate western interferance.

Quazzie · 10-07-2009 11:28am

walshb wrote: »

Well some, and me included, think that western interference in these countries is actually
doing more harm than good.

I tend to disagree, and have no intentions of (or think its possible) trying to change your mind.

MizzLolly · 10-07-2009 11:31am

Another wonderful thread by Walshb.

Dinter · 10-07-2009 11:32am

Quazzie wrote: »

So in your theory the "ransom" paid will be worth more to the kidnappers than the good work supplied to the innocent, by all of the aid workers combined? And therefore we should abandon our morales and abandon the innocent for fear that someday the terrorists might prosper from one of their missions to cause upheaval and chaos.

I just want to make sure I'm reading your post correctly before I laugh.

:rolleyes:

Must use sarcasm tags.

walshb · 10-07-2009 11:34am

MizzLolly wrote: »

Another wonderful thread by Walshb.

Thanks!

carlybabe1 · 10-07-2009 11:51am

walshb wrote: »

I know, but she's lucky, had there not been a western white woman with her, nobody
would have a clue

I wish you would stop making generalisations like that. The reason there is so much press coverage is because shes Irish, not because of her colour.
A case in point was the story of a black woman who was jailed in a foreign country because she was caught smuggling drugs, there was plenty of press coverage because her mother is living & studying here, and she too is black.
This prticular story is probably not making headlines in, say, australia, because there hasnt been australian victim involved.
Its patriotism not racism, thats keeping this in the news.

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