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ucd-JammyDodger- wrote: »When you're generalizing 55k people by your claim, then yes on average it probably is an indication.
That's all I am saying, omfg. I never stated anywhere that someone who scores 550 is smarter than someone who scores 540. I said on average they probably were.
I think I should be able to explain this in words.
A certain percentage of people will always get bumped up. However this happens across every grade. If 20% of people who would score 540 score 550, then its safe to say 20% of people who would score 550 will score 560. This is an average, with such a large sample assumptions like that are ok.
Similarly 20% of people scoring 530 will also get promoted. As you can tell this doesn't balance out, in fact it does serve to close the gap. As less people score 530 than 540, it means more less smart people will be promoted into the higher ranks. What that means is there are more "530s" scoring "540" than there are "540s" scoring "550".
Your arguments at this point will be things like "yes but I am assuming everyone jumps one grade", but on average its an assumption I feel I can make.
At the extremes this changes slightly, for example more people get 600 than 590 (I was about to say 595, then I realised it was in impossible).
Finally if you negate any memory people's marks. You are left with just the smart people scoring "deserved" points. Well then of course 550s are smarter than 540s. Then if you put the memory heads back in, it will be more or less even distribution, certainly amoungst the higher grades. Because of this the average across all grades will be damaged, but equally.
One last point.
I have given a number of reasons why I want to go to Trinity. I thought I could dodge this at the start by just saying straight up "I actually think the standard of education I will receive there is better than any other single university in Ireland". None of you have indicated anything different, in fact most of you I think would agree with that point, however express your discontent with picking a college thats only "usually better" and not one that "clearly better for what I want".
And I think the following people would agree.
Samuel Beckett
Evan Boland (for all those 5th years
)
Mahon
Longley
Oscar Wilde
Johnathon Swift
Bram Stoker
Stoney (invented electron)
Walton (split the atom)
David MacWilliams (Author of the popes children, columnist Sunday times, presents a political debate / comedy thing in the button factory, next one is June 24th, check it out www.leviathon.ie)
Michael O Leary
John Butler Yeats.0 -
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ucdxOxSinéadxOx wrote: »what is wrong with you
Nothing is wrong with me
(In fairness you have like 2000 posts, surely you realise forums are just massive arguments?)
I think its fair to say neither me or Jam actually feel all too passionately on the matter, we just enjoy debating (I will lol when, not if, when he disputes this).0 -
That's all I am saying, omfg. I never stated anywhere that someone who scores 550 is smarter than someone who scores 540. I said on average they probably were.
I think I should be able to explain this in words.
A certain percentage of people will always get bumped up. However this happens across every grade. If 20% of people who would score 540 score 550, then its safe to say 20% of people who would score 550 will score 560. This is an average, with such a large sample assumptions like that are ok.
Similarly 20% of people scoring 530 will also get promoted. As you can tell this doesn't balance out, in fact it does serve to close the gap. As less people score 530 than 540, it means more less smart people will be promoted into the higher ranks. What that means is there are more "530s" scoring "540" than there are "540s" scoring "550".
Your arguments at this point will be things like "yes but I am assuming everyone jumps one grade", but on average its an assumption I feel I can make.
At the extremes this changes slightly, for example more people get 600 than 590 (I was about to say 595, then I realised it was in impossible).
Finally if you negate any memory people's marks. You are left with just the smart people scoring "deserved" points. Well then of course 550s are smarter than 540s. Then if you put the memory heads back in, it will be more or less even distribution, certainly amoungst the higher grades. Because of this the average across all grades will be damaged, but equally.
One last point.
I have given a number of reasons why I want to go to Trinity. I thought I could dodge this at the start by just saying straight up "I actually think the standard of education I will receive there is better than any other single university in Ireland". None of you have indicated anything different, in fact most of you I think would agree with that point, however express your discontent with picking a college thats only "usually better" and not one that "clearly better for what I want".
And I think the following people would agree.
Samuel Beckett
Evan Boland (for all those 5th years)
Mahon
Longley
Oscar Wilde
Johnathon Swift
Bram Stoker
Stoney (invented electron)
Walton (split the atom)
David MacWilliams (Author of the popes children, columnist Sunday times, presents a political debate / comedy thing in the button factory, next one is June 24th, check it out www.leviathon.ie)
Michael O Leary
John Butler Yeats.
You want to be a lawyer, right? Do you know what nearly all of the notable alumni you listed from Trinity have in common? None of them studied law. And just because Trinity produced people like Bram Stoker, this does not even remotely contribute to your law grade.
When you go to college, the LC is irrelevant. Having 550 - 600 is no guarantee of being better or even as good as somebody who scored lower in the LC but is brilliant at essays, therefore achieving higher marks than the hypothetical 550 - 600 pointer. Even if you are too stuborn to realise it now, you'll see it's true when you go to uni.
And will you please stop insisting that Trinity gives a better legal education than other colleges. You are basing that on your own half baked idea of law, and no empirical evidence whatsoever.
One of the tricks to law is being able to judge when the argument you are making is futile, and therefore stopping.0 -
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/pushes errlloyd into the Liffey :pac:And I think anyone who denies that is indenile. And I hear the Nile is full of nasty viruses and untreated sewage, so you wanna get out of there
(and it's nice and near Trinity too!)
Seriously, this is going in circles all the way up the back passage ...
Or is perceived as better, for all sorts of reasons ...At some point you're going to have to accept that one college is better than another. Based on that you're going to have to accept that one has higher demand therefore points. Based on that you're going to have to accept that one has smarter students. Based on that you're going to have to accept that one has a better working ethos. Based on that you're going to have to accept that one produces better grades.
errlloyd, I predict a dazzling career in the law for you!
You already have a remarkable ability to make an apparently simple and logical case with little regard for real life ... exactly what you need for law! :pac:
Oh we've already had it, a couple of pages up.-JammyDodger- wrote: »Especially your claim that higher points = smarter students. If only.:pac: The Leaving Cert. does anything but promote and harbour intelligence.
But anyway, this thread has been dragged painfully off topic enough, so let's not start a debate on how well the LC deals with intelligence.
He's ignoring it because it doesn't suit his case.
As I said, he'll do very well in law!
Wow, if you can prove that with real life data rather than just as a mathematical exercise, you'll be due your EdD with your LC results!! :eek:But statistically speaking this will happen the entire way up the line and no grade will have more promotions than any other.
Maths doesn't adequately represent human behaviour or human intelligence as yet. Isaac Asimov could have told you that!! :pac:Do you guys do maths?
And the point being made to you by many people, including myself, is that the LC more reliably measures memory than intelligence.
Therefore we are highly skeptical of many of your arguments.
Now, let's give it a rest.
I would like to hear where the rest of the Boardsie LCer's are heading, and why they have made that choice.0 -
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Spanish is a lovely language to learn, similar enough to Italian in fact, and both countries have their advantages. One advantage about Spanish is that it is very widely spoken in the world, e.g. South America, compared to Italian.
Anyway, sounds like you have thought about it a lot (lol @ Starbucks though!
); hope it all works out well for you. 0 -
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ucd
I have never read such stuck up shite in my life.That's all I am saying, omfg. I never stated anywhere that someone who scores 550 is smarter than someone who scores 540. I said on average they probably were.
I think I should be able to explain this in words.
A certain percentage of people will always get bumped up. However this happens across every grade. If 20% of people who would score 540 score 550, then its safe to say 20% of people who would score 550 will score 560. This is an average, with such a large sample assumptions like that are ok.
Similarly 20% of people scoring 530 will also get promoted. As you can tell this doesn't balance out, in fact it does serve to close the gap. As less people score 530 than 540, it means more less smart people will be promoted into the higher ranks. What that means is there are more "530s" scoring "540" than there are "540s" scoring "550".
Your arguments at this point will be things like "yes but I am assuming everyone jumps one grade", but on average its an assumption I feel I can make.
At the extremes this changes slightly, for example more people get 600 than 590 (I was about to say 595, then I realised it was in impossible).
Finally if you negate any memory people's marks. You are left with just the smart people scoring "deserved" points. Well then of course 550s are smarter than 540s. Then if you put the memory heads back in, it will be more or less even distribution, certainly amoungst the higher grades. Because of this the average across all grades will be damaged, but equally.
One last point.
I have given a number of reasons why I want to go to Trinity. I thought I could dodge this at the start by just saying straight up "I actually think the standard of education I will receive there is better than any other single university in Ireland". None of you have indicated anything different, in fact most of you I think would agree with that point, however express your discontent with picking a college thats only "usually better" and not one that "clearly better for what I want".
And I think the following people would agree.
Samuel Beckett
Evan Boland (for all those 5th years)
Mahon
Longley
Oscar Wilde
Johnathon Swift
Bram Stoker
Stoney (invented electron)
Walton (split the atom)
David MacWilliams (Author of the popes children, columnist Sunday times, presents a political debate / comedy thing in the button factory, next one is June 24th, check it out www.leviathon.ie)
Michael O Leary
John Butler Yeats.
I go to Trinity. It's nothing special. Just lots of silly old traditions and some beautiful old buildings in a city centre campus.
Get over yourself tbh.0 -
ucdOh gimme a break like, people call naming stuff inventing it all the time
Alright guys I'll stop making arguments for Trinity. Even if you won't accept that its the best Irish law 3rd level degree going, there isn't a better one. Not one of you has made a case for any other university in Ireland for Law, and the reason why, there simply isn't one.0 -
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