God & Child abuse?

Raiser

Will God face prosecution and a possible jail term for turning his back on the Children of the Ryan report on institutional abuse as they suffered rape, torture and every other imaginable inhumane, sick practice day after night after day?

I know he was busy with moving statues, appearances to sunstroked kids in Fatima, selling plastic statues in Lourdes, snacking on smoked salmon in the Vatican, the stations of the Donkey, and being a daft pious figure of authority etc.

- But come on, out of all the Gods - What a pathetic, useless, smalltime, lazy, w@nky little Prick we happened to get.... I bet Allah is less supportive of posturing evil Clergy, torture and child sexual abuse......

TwoShedsJackson

Allah is the same God as the one referred to in the Bible.

Rented Mule

How do you prosecute the imaginary ?

Religion is just a tool to enslave the gullible and explain the unexplainable.

My name is URL

I blame Jesus

everything was tikkity-boo before he showed up

Smart Bug

The Govt'll increase manna tax.

arse..biscuits

Good question, I'll ask the suicide hotline.......

Quazzie

Text 11811 and see what answer they give you.

Rented Mule

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Good question, I'll ask the suicide hotline.......

I bet they put you on hold.

AnonoBoy

If there's a God he's turned his back on the Catholic Church long ago, don't worry about that.

OldGoat

In before the lightning bolt!

994

Raiser wrote: »

. I bet Allah is less supportive of posturing evil Clergy, torture and child sexual abuse......

Ha!

MoominPapa

If the god of the book exists he is the god of His Dark Materials - decrepit, senile and smelling of piss

Rented Mule

Raiser wrote: »

I bet Allah is less supportive of posturing evil Clergy, torture and child sexual abuse......

I bet you wouldn't feel that way if you were an eight year old Saudi girl who was about to be forced to marry a man in his 50s.

TheZohanS

Raiser wrote: »

Will God face prosecution and a possible jail term for turning his back on the Children of the Ryan report on institutional abuse as they suffered rape, torture and every other imaginable inhumane, sick practice day after night after day?

No.

But the Pope should, he tried to cover it up. He should also face prosecution for being a member of Hitler Youth.

But you won't see it happen.

AnonoBoy

TheZohan wrote: »

No.

But the Pope should, he tried to cover it up. He should also face prosecution for being a member of Hitler Youth.

But you won't see it happen.

Did this Pope try to cover it up? I can't remember.

Also - nobody has ever been prosecuted for being a member for Hitler Youth. AFAIK they didn't murder anyone.

Rented Mule

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Rented Mule

Another favourite

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/KillerCarlson/jesus-motivational-poster.jpg

bonkers

i wonder if god himself was abused and if the priest said he had god's permission to do it and then i wonder did god blame himself.

if this did occur and if you are reading this, god.. well then i must agree with you.. it was your own fault.

PK2008

*Insert "god doesnt exist" comment here*

*Insert "god so does exist" comment here*

Repeat x 200

End thread

TheZohanS

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Did this Pope try to cover it up? I can't remember.

Yes he did. Source

The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.
The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
The Panorama special, Sex Crimes And The Vatican, investigates the details of this little-known document for the first time. The programme also accuses the Catholic Church of knowingly harbouring paedophile clergymen. It reveals that priests accused of child abuse are generally not struck off or arrested but simply moved to another parish, often to reoffend. It gives examples of hush funds being used to silence the victims.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

AFAIK they didn't murder anyone.

Yes they did. Source

By 1943, Nazi leaders began turning the Hitler Youth into a military reserve to draw manpower which had been depleted due to tremendous military losses. In 1943, the 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend, under the command of SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Witt, was formed. The Division was a fully equipped Waffen-SS panzer division, with the majority of the enlisted cadre being drawn from Hitler Youth boys between the ages of sixteen and eighteen. The division was deployed during the Battle of Normandy against the British and Canadian forces to the north of Caen. During the following months, the division earned itself a reputation for ferocity and fanaticism. When Witt was killed by allied naval gunfire, SS-Brigadeführer Kurt Meyer took over command and became the youngest divisional commander at age 33.

AnonoBoy

TheZohan wrote: »

Yes he did. Source





Yes they did. Source

I bow to your superior Nazi knowledge.

Nazi

philologos

Raiser wrote: »

Will God face prosecution and a possible jail term for turning his back on the Children of the Ryan report on institutional abuse as they suffered rape, torture and every other imaginable inhumane, sick practice day after night after day?

You got to be kidding me.... I personally believe that God will punish these people in the hereafter as the Christian narrative suggests.

Raiser wrote: »

I know he was busy with moving statues, appearances to sunstroked kids in Fatima, selling plastic statues in Lourdes, snacking on smoked salmon in the Vatican, the stations of the Donkey, and being a daft pious figure of authority etc.

That only works if you believe that God (wasn't it not the Virgin Mary, hence Our Lady of Fatima?) or the Virgin Mary actually made an apperance of Fatima. Or indeed if you believe that everything that the Vatican has done has been legitimately God's will.

Raiser wrote: »

- But come on, out of all the Gods - What a pathetic, useless, smalltime, lazy, w@nky little Prick we happened to get.... I bet Allah is less supportive of posturing evil Clergy, torture and child sexual abuse......

Yawn. God isn't supportive of any of those things at all. You are confusing the view of:

1) The Biblical text, the revealed Scriptures of God.

with:
2) What the Roman Catholic Church, a flawed institution has done.

Pace2008

Most self-righteous thread I've seen in while. Is it an excerpt from the Irish Star?

chin_grin

A great quote from a great man;

"With all the horrible, horrible sh!t that your priest is pumping into your kid's head, his dick should be the least of your worries, honestly. That's just a little mouthwash and a few years of therapy'll get rid of that. That Jesus sh!t will torture you for a lifetime."

Doug Stanhope.

Turd Ferguson

PK2008 wrote: »

*Insert "god doesnt exist" comment here*

*Insert "god so does exist" comment here*

Repeat x 200

End thread

*insert sarcastic comment here*

/revels in the thanks this post will get

thelordofcheese

Raiser wrote: »

Will God face prosecution and a possible jail term for turning his back on the Children of the Ryan report on institutional abuse as they suffered rape, torture and every other imaginable inhumane, sick practice day after night after day?

Could god create legislation that even he could not be bound by?

jester77

Not to worry, Cuchallain will sort him out!

Zillah

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Allah is the same God as the one referred to in the Bible.

Yes, but the Bible got loads of it wrong, so no. The character of Allah is very different to the character of Jehovah.

They're both awful of course.

humanji

My name is URL wrote:

I blame Jesus

everything was tikkity-boo before he showed up

Exactly. He ruined everything. I miss the old kickass God. He got shìt done; genocide, incest, talking animals. Then he became a father and had to "learn to be more responsible". Actually, I blame Mary. She's got him all hen-pecked!

If they successfuly sue God, does this mean I can sue the Tooth Fairy?

humanji

Deleted User wrote: »

If they successfuly sue God, does this mean I can sue the Tooth Fairy?

I wouldn't. Not with her lawyers.

K4t

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

philologos

I don't think any Catholic should be asked to pay for what they weren't responsible for.

ShooterSF

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

*insert sarcastic comment here*

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*insert comment berating thanks whores ruining serious discussion in AH*

*Tacks on a don't thank this post comment to add to my secret efforts to get thanked*

/Sits back and waits for thanks to surpass your comment's

My name is URL

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

Yes, because the majority of them stood by and let it happen.

Psychiatrists wrongly diagnosed the abused as 'insane' intentionally when they sought help in order to cover it up.

Raiser

Jakkass wrote: »

You got to be kidding me.... I personally believe that God will punish these people in the hereafter as the Christian narrative suggests.



That only works if you believe that God (wasn't it not the Virgin Mary, hence Our Lady of Fatima?) or the Virgin Mary actually made an apperance of Fatima. Or indeed if you believe that everything that the Vatican has done has been legitimately God's will.



Yawn. God isn't supportive of any of those things at all. You are confusing the view of:

1) The Biblical text, the revealed Scriptures of God.

with:
2) What the Roman Catholic Church, a flawed institution has done.

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

Overheal

The Man Who Sued God

philologos

Raiser wrote: »

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

I believe in something called personal responsibility. I don't believe that God is in any way responsible for horrid acts that were carried out under the guise of Christianity. Note "under the guise". I also believe that God will hold these people to account. There was nothing godly about these about these abuses, they seem more satanic to me.

Raiser wrote: »

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

Don't you hear about it?

As for "mad" source, don't expect me to share this view

An Fear Aniar

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If there's a God he's turned his back on the Catholic Church long ago, don't worry about that.

God doesn't turn away from anyone, people turn away from God.

We live in a state of spiritual warfare, if we reject God's protection we're a prey to every wretched destructive entity around us. be careful out there.:cool:


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humanji

Raiser wrote: »

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

I was watching a documentary about the history of God and the Devil (as you do), and they were of the opinion that ancient Jews followed several gods but amalgamated them all into one god to save time. But they soon realised that they didn't want to be praising a god who treated them so poorly at times, so Satan was created as a way to explain why bad things happen.

Not sure if any of that can be backed up, and to be honest I don't really care. All in all it comes down to being responsible for your own actions. If there is a god(s), I hold them as accountable as anyone else who knew about the abuse and refused to do anything about it.

asti_mivec

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

The Catholic Church you mean? Unfortunately it's a religious order that holds so much sway in this country that they can still get away with running the vast majority of our education system even in light of the fact that they simply can't be trusted around other human beings - especially easily manipulated minds such as those of children - as they certainly do not treat people in the Christian way that they preach - as a group I mean....I'm not saying that all clergy are bad or anything like it.

Dusty87

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

994

humanji wrote: »

I was watching a documentary about the history of God and the Devil (as you do), and they were of the opinion that ancient Jews followed several gods but amalgamated them all into one god to save time. But they soon realised that they didn't want to be praising a god who treated them so poorly at times, so Satan was created as a way to explain why bad things happen.

Not sure if any of that can be backed up, and to be honest I don't really care. All in all it comes down to being responsible for your own actions. If there is a god(s), I hold them as accountable as anyone else who knew about the abuse and refused to do anything about it.

The Bible's pretty vague regarding the Devil , and most ideaas about him came from later writers. Like, the snake that tempts Eve is just a magical talking snake. No mention of it being Satan in Animagus form, or whatever.

Raiser

I'm really not a theologian; but I'd bet €100,000 that in a head to head deathmatch Pope Dude Joey Ratzinger would out-evil the Devil himself........

- Living a lifestyle that is s cross between MTV Cribs and a pre-revolution French King; Ratzy must be the Globes most vomit-inducing, pathetic, dangerously stunted anachronism

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VinnyTGM

I'm not sure on this issue, but I'd be embaressed to say I'm a catholic with all this in the news, even though it had been going on for years.

K4t

Dusty87 wrote: »

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

Irish people or Catholics? :pac:

I don't think that figure is a correct estimate at all. It must be a reflection of the 30 years and over demographic.

Calibos

K4t wrote: »

Irish people or Catholics? :pac:

I don't think that figure is a correct estimate at all. It must be a reflection of the 30 years and over demographic.

Either the pollsters set up outside churches or they asked the most ambigious question. "Do you believe a god created the universe and all thats in it?"

So they have in fact confirmed that 95% haven't given it too much thought and are at the very least Deists. What subset of those believe a man walked on water, rose from the dead, turned water to wine and that when a priest says the magic words, some wafer is turned into the actual real bona fide body and blood of a bronze age carpenter from a desert land on the east coast of the Mediterrainian circa 2009 years ago???

Raiser

I am a believer.

When it comes to the Catholic Church I believe in shooting paedo bat-people once in the crotch and twice in the face.

partyatmygaff

Once again, I am still surprised how some people somehow blame christianity for the actions of some irish catholic clergymen. These people on one small country like ours were scumbags who abused their position of trust under the veil of their position.

There was nothing christian about what they did. The op should be a journalist for the sun with all the "proof" he has...

randylonghorn

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

The State bears a share of the responsibility too for how it acted, and for how it failed to act, and we are all citizens of the State, whether we like it or not.

Raiser wrote: »

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

Ever hear of the concept of free will?


This thread, despite having about as much logical thought to it as my dick after midnight on a Saturday night, is actually based on an interesting premise. Leaving aside for the moment minor issues re: jurisdiction etc., to sue God presupposes s/he exists.

So who wants to sue him / her now?

Let's see all the closet believers put their hands up!

Black Swan

randylonghorn wrote: »

So who wants to sue him / her now?

Out of court settlement?