God & Child abuse?

K4t · 12-06-2009 12:49PM

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

philologos · 12-06-2009 12:51PM

I don't think any Catholic should be asked to pay for what they weren't responsible for.

ShooterSF · 12-06-2009 12:51PM

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My name is URL · 12-06-2009 12:53PM

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

Yes, because the majority of them stood by and let it happen.

Psychiatrists wrongly diagnosed the abused as 'insane' intentionally when they sought help in order to cover it up.

Raiser · 12-06-2009 03:13PM

Jakkass wrote: »

You got to be kidding me.... I personally believe that God will punish these people in the hereafter as the Christian narrative suggests.

That only works if you believe that God (wasn't it not the Virgin Mary, hence Our Lady of Fatima?) or the Virgin Mary actually made an apperance of Fatima. Or indeed if you believe that everything that the Vatican has done has been legitimately God's will.

Yawn. God isn't supportive of any of those things at all. You are confusing the view of:

1) The Biblical text, the revealed Scriptures of God.

with:
2) What the Roman Catholic Church, a flawed institution has done.

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

Overheal · 12-06-2009 03:16PM

The Man Who Sued God

philologos · 12-06-2009 03:21PM

Raiser wrote: »

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

I believe in something called personal responsibility. I don't believe that God is in any way responsible for horrid acts that were carried out under the guise of Christianity. Note "under the guise". I also believe that God will hold these people to account. There was nothing godly about these about these abuses, they seem more satanic to me.

Raiser wrote: »

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

Don't you hear about it?

As for "mad" source, don't expect me to share this view

An Fear Aniar · 12-06-2009 03:22PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If there's a God he's turned his back on the Catholic Church long ago, don't worry about that.

God doesn't turn away from anyone, people turn away from God.

We live in a state of spiritual warfare, if we reject God's protection we're a prey to every wretched destructive entity around us. be careful out there.:cool:

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humanji · 12-06-2009 04:31PM

Raiser wrote: »

- Perhaps related; why don't we ever hear about the Devil anymore? Do people actually believe in him these days - he's a character derived from the same mad source surely???

I was watching a documentary about the history of God and the Devil (as you do), and they were of the opinion that ancient Jews followed several gods but amalgamated them all into one god to save time. But they soon realised that they didn't want to be praising a god who treated them so poorly at times, so Satan was created as a way to explain why bad things happen.

Not sure if any of that can be backed up, and to be honest I don't really care. All in all it comes down to being responsible for your own actions. If there is a god(s), I hold them as accountable as anyone else who knew about the abuse and refused to do anything about it.

asti_mivec · 12-06-2009 04:45PM

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

The Catholic Church you mean? Unfortunately it's a religious order that holds so much sway in this country that they can still get away with running the vast majority of our education system even in light of the fact that they simply can't be trusted around other human beings - especially easily manipulated minds such as those of children - as they certainly do not treat people in the Christian way that they preach - as a group I mean....I'm not saying that all clergy are bad or anything like it.

Dusty87 · 12-06-2009 07:02PM

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

12-06-2009 07:08PM

humanji wrote: »

I was watching a documentary about the history of God and the Devil (as you do), and they were of the opinion that ancient Jews followed several gods but amalgamated them all into one god to save time. But they soon realised that they didn't want to be praising a god who treated them so poorly at times, so Satan was created as a way to explain why bad things happen.

Not sure if any of that can be backed up, and to be honest I don't really care. All in all it comes down to being responsible for your own actions. If there is a god(s), I hold them as accountable as anyone else who knew about the abuse and refused to do anything about it.

The Bible's pretty vague regarding the Devil , and most ideaas about him came from later writers. Like, the snake that tempts Eve is just a magical talking snake. No mention of it being Satan in Animagus form, or whatever.

Raiser · 12-06-2009 10:25PM

I'm really not a theologian; but I'd bet €100,000 that in a head to head deathmatch Pope Dude Joey Ratzinger would out-evil the Devil himself........

- Living a lifestyle that is s cross between MTV Cribs and a pre-revolution French King; Ratzy must be the Globes most vomit-inducing, pathetic, dangerously stunted anachronism

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VinnyTGM · 12-06-2009 10:39PM

I'm not sure on this issue, but I'd be embaressed to say I'm a catholic with all this in the news, even though it had been going on for years.

K4t · 12-06-2009 10:56PM

Dusty87 wrote: »

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

Irish people or Catholics? :pac:

I don't think that figure is a correct estimate at all. It must be a reflection of the 30 years and over demographic.

Calibos · 12-06-2009 11:14PM

K4t wrote: »

Irish people or Catholics? :pac:

I don't think that figure is a correct estimate at all. It must be a reflection of the 30 years and over demographic.

Either the pollsters set up outside churches or they asked the most ambigious question. "Do you believe a god created the universe and all thats in it?"

So they have in fact confirmed that 95% haven't given it too much thought and are at the very least Deists. What subset of those believe a man walked on water, rose from the dead, turned water to wine and that when a priest says the magic words, some wafer is turned into the actual real bona fide body and blood of a bronze age carpenter from a desert land on the east coast of the Mediterrainian circa 2009 years ago???

Raiser · 12-06-2009 11:55PM

I am a believer.

When it comes to the Catholic Church I believe in shooting paedo bat-people once in the crotch and twice in the face.

partyatmygaff · 13-06-2009 01:54AM

Once again, I am still surprised how some people somehow blame christianity for the actions of some irish catholic clergymen. These people on one small country like ours were scumbags who abused their position of trust under the veil of their position.

There was nothing christian about what they did. The op should be a journalist for the sun with all the "proof" he has...

randylonghorn · 13-06-2009 05:50AM

K4t wrote: »

I think only Catholics should be asked to pay for the victims' compensation.

Is it fair to ask non-religious people to pay for the actions of a religious order?

The State bears a share of the responsibility too for how it acted, and for how it failed to act, and we are all citizens of the State, whether we like it or not.

Raiser wrote: »

Come on God can't just be responsible for a the good stuff while at the same time being absolved of all responsibility for the bad stuff.....

Ever hear of the concept of free will?

This thread, despite having about as much logical thought to it as my dick after midnight on a Saturday night, is actually based on an interesting premise. Leaving aside for the moment minor issues re: jurisdiction etc., to sue God presupposes s/he exists.

So who wants to sue him / her now?

Let's see all the closet believers put their hands up!

13-06-2009 05:54AM

randylonghorn wrote: »

So who wants to sue him / her now?

Out of court settlement?

IvySlayer · 13-06-2009 06:31AM

Dusty87 wrote: »

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

In fairness to him, god never condoned abuse to children, personally. But since he doesn't exist I can't get an exact quote.

Jim · 13-06-2009 06:42AM

TheZohan wrote: »

He should also face prosecution for being a member of Hitler Youth.

But you won't see it happen.

What an incredibly ignorant comment to make.

themont85 · 13-06-2009 09:47AM

Jim wrote: »

What an incredibly ignorant comment to make.

Have to agree. Some people really are ignorant to the realities of 1940 Germany to the average German family.

Sam Vimes · 13-06-2009 10:17AM

Dusty87 wrote: »

Just heard on the last word on the wireless there, 95 per cent stil believe in god. Just to answer another poster there.

The research was carried out by a jesuit priest. People would just say they believed so he'd go away

Sam Vimes · 13-06-2009 10:19AM

Jakkass wrote: »

I believe in something called personal responsibility. I don't believe that God is in any way responsible for horrid acts that were carried out under the guise of Christianity. Note "under the guise". I also believe that God will hold these people to account. There was nothing godly about these about these abuses, they seem more satanic to me.

But he's responsible for the good stuff is he? That's a nice little gig he's got going there. I'd say Brian Cowen would love a job where he gets all the credit and none of the blame

mollzer · 13-06-2009 10:56AM

Whats God got to do with some dirty b**tards abusing children??

As another poster said the catholic church was just a veil for this abuse, and helped keep that veil up, along with the government officials who should have been keeping a better eye on what was happening in the institutions in the Ryan report.

Its humans f**king up again, ruining childrens/peoples lives.

Oh and by the way only a small percentage of children were/are abused by the clergy (and people in authority), what does THAT statistic tell you about how many children are abused in Ireland today??

A Primal Nut · 13-06-2009 01:03PM

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them"

Probably already mentioned in this thread somewhere but anyhow...also refutes the idea that God doesn't interfere and allows the kids personal responsibility for their actions.

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