Does the fact that the English allowed the average Irishman to perish....

like clockwork!

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

TPD

My gut says Maybe

To allow yourself to hate people because of what their ancestors did to your ancestors would be a very retarded thing to do.

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

Many of us have ancestors both sides of the Irish sea (& beyond) which would make it a bit hypocritical to tar a whole nation with such a broad brush.

keane2097

I'm currently disliking a lot of them because of expense claims.

I reserve the right to fall back to the famine stronghold in future if I run out of things to moan about.

I, being a fairly typical person, will complain about absolutely anything.

Overheal

Freedom Fries, etc. :rolleyes:

Matt Holck

Deleted User wrote: »

To allow yourself to hate people because of what their ancestors did to your ancestors would be a very retarded thing to do.

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

Many of us have ancestors both sides of the Irish sea (& beyond) which would make it a bit hypocritical to tar a whole nation with such a broad brush.

fair enough

but I don't want to be arrested

Zebra3

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

Nothing against the average Brit, but when you see members of their establishment celebrating battles from 1812 and then pretending the 1840s was a long time ago and wasn't their fault makes me sick. Ireland was a net exporter of food during the famine. It was genocide.

There should be an apology from the British state, but it's no more the fault of the average Brit than I'm to blame for all the shyte that happened to people in the care of religious paedos and sickos in Ireland.

Thoie

Zebra3 wrote: »

There should be an apology from the British state

There was.

walshb

The British did a lot of nasty things to a lot of countries, why? Well, power will breed
nastiness and destruction in any race or ethnic entity. Ireland was not in a position to do nasty things, but given the power and chance, we are no different.

English and Irish are separated by geography, that is it.

I do not hate the average English person simply because their ancestors did bad things
on us. I can bet that if our ancestors had the power, they too would possibly have
done bad things on the English. It's the nasty side of human nature

Dragan

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Highsider

I would'nt lower myself to hate them.

Rented Mule

walshb wrote: »

I can bet that if our ancestors had the power, they too would possibly have done bad things on the English.

Now ye're talkin' !!

Wouldn't it have been great if the Irish invaded England and took over the monarchy ? Gave the auld gene pool a good stirrin' from the bottom up.

King Decco I of Smithfield has a nice sort of a ring to it.

I can already see his toothless, track suit wearing, penguin walking mug on the sterling notes.

chughes

Maybe we should hate the Scandinavians too. After all, their Viking ancestors came over here and raped and pillaged. Seriously, blaming current generations for the sins of previous ones is a futile exercise.

walshb

And as in any country, a section of the people are good and decent and honest people.
So, there may have been many bad English with power, but also, many good and
honorable English with power.

stovelid

clock·work (klkwûrk)

Idiom:

like clockwork

With machinelike regularity and precision; perfectly: the monotonous, tedious anti-Brit bile in AH proceeded like clockwork

lisbon_lions

I used to hate all English, until I found myself in college over there(I know, dont ask). I found the people very welcoming, and have made some mates for life from all parts of England. In fact, we are meeting up in a few weeks for a reunion, the 4th one in 10 years.

They really are just like us, they like ACDC, having bbq's, drinking beer, watching footie and pulling.

Cant really blame them for their forefathers greed really?

Quint

If anyone does "hate" the english because of what happened 200 years ago, does your hate actually achieve anything?

Crann na Beatha

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mike65

Dragan wrote: »

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Indeed it seems to be a theme right now, still it usually adds to the gaiety of the After Hours crowd, esp those in the cheap seats (and it means they are here typing up rabid often incoherent replies rather than burning down the British Embasy)

Zadkiel

I have found the english people to be very warm.
That said you meet c unts everywhere, sure don't we have plenty of our own?
Do english people post on forums " do we hate the Irish for blowing people up" doubtful; because its not a reflection on the entire people.

mike65

They do on www.bnp.co.uk I bet!

O'Coonassa

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

Well said. But what we also need to understand is that the food leaving under guard was mostly grown by tenant farmers. If they hadn't got the full market price for it then they wouldn't have been able to pay their rents and would themselves have been evicted and relegated to the rank of famine victims. Those here today are mostly descended from people such as these, so when we suggest that their food should have been seized and redistrubuted do we really know what we're saying?

O'Coonassa

Iolar wrote: »

They probably have alot of pent up sexual frustration tbh

In my experience they're generally ones who got picked on at school for being inadequate and have nothing much to offer the world but 'patriotism'

super_furry

You fools, you blind, blind fools. When will you open your eyes and realised the English were only a front for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8

SoWatchaWant

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

I get no trouble from British people nowadays, so there's no problem there. If you were set on hating someone because of their lineage, you'd be better off hating the Germans.

SoWatchaWant

Highsider wrote: »

I would'nt lower myself to hate them.

Nor would I to hate you.

slippy wicket

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Well said. But what we also need to understand is that the food leaving under guard was mostly grown by tenant farmers. If they hadn't got the full market price for it then they wouldn't have been able to pay their rents and would themselves have been evicted and relegated to the rank of famine victims. Those here today are mostly descended from people such as these, so when we suggest that their food should have been seized and redistrubuted do we really know what we're saying?

Thats a good point. But if we all look back into our families past, there are people who if they did the things that they did now, they would be up in a war crimes tribunal. I know there are back in the dark recesses of my family.
i suppose slaughter and butchery is not a crime as long you are on the winning side.

galwayrush

I have met many English people over the past few years, many of whom i now consider good friends, none of whom were around at the time of the famine, so i haven't got a problem with any of them.

Jesus Wept

Deleted User wrote: »

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

That's my policy.

stepbar

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

K-9

stepbar wrote: »

The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

galwayrush

K-9 wrote: »

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

Get ye next time.

O'Coonassa

stepbar wrote: »

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

Doubleplusgoodthink

5318008!

I'm not saying i support any of the views in this thread but;

There's a massive difference between the English (and even their democratically elected leaders) and the old english establishment.

EamonnKeane

Why let the Scottish and Welsh off? And conversely, do you think their ancestors - who were, after all, almost certainly housewives, labourers, tenant farmers, etc., not MPs or industrialists who might have been able to do anything - had any responsibility for what happened

galwayrush

Reading history books, the average Englishman was treated pretty badly as well by the establishment back then.

Biggins

I'm tired of the past being dredged up and used just to slap another country/culture/race/whatever down.
Its doing us no good and its doing creating/solidifying international relationships no good.

Lets move the frak on! Nuff' said, I'm outa here...

stepbar

K-9 wrote: »

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

Nothing different, the fact that we respected them on our home turf is enough for for me, despite out history. The result of the match was irrelevant.

galwayrush

stepbar wrote: »

Nothing different, the fact that we respected them on our home turf is enough for for me, despite out history. The result of the match was irrelevant.

Yes, i felt very proud that day, like we finally grew up as a nation.

sub-x

I agree with the OP 100%,but why stop there then,what about Scandinavians ??? oh yeah don't forget God hes been doing it for years :rolleyes:

aidan_walsh

Dragan wrote: »

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Must be a new Wolftones album coming out.

PK2008

I hate way more Irish people than I do English tbh.

(especially people who bang on about the famine, have a big mac and STFU)

stepbar

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Must be a new Wolftones album coming out.

The Wolfe Tones were very relivent back in the day. Maybe not so much now. But TBH there's nothing more I enjoy than lashing out a bar of "The streets of New York" or "Come out ye Black and Tans" or such songs like that. It's our identity, if it be right or wrong.

stepbar

PK2008 wrote: »

I hate way more Irish people than I do English tbh.

(especially people who bang on about the famine, have a big mac and STFU)

Go on, more comment needed.

PK2008

stepbar wrote: »

Go on, more comment needed.

Ah no I shouldnt be so flippant

After all my great uncle died in the famine

RIP:

Latchy

From an objective point of view , every generation of irishmen asks the same question .In 30 years time they might still be but by then as now, how many more irishmen / women wil have married into the anglo saxon race ?

stepbar

PK2008 wrote: »

Ah no I shouldnt be so flippant

After all my great uncle died in the famine

RIP:

Indeed Mr Potato did but thankfully he resurrected himself. Now please quantify your statement.

O'Coonassa

Latchy wrote: »

From an objective point of view , every generation of irishmen asks the same question .In 30 years time they might still be but by then as now, how many more irishmen / women wil have married into the anglo saxon race ?

Around as many as will have married Klingons tbh.

PK2008

stepbar wrote: »

Indeed Mr Potato did but thankfully he resurrected himself. Now please quantify your statement.

F*ck the IRA, f*ck the armchair generals, f*ck the famine, f*ck the rebel songs and f*ck leprechaun a55holes who revel in the "poor paddy worked on the railroad" bullsh1t victim mentality.

Quantified enough fer ya?

KINGVictor

stepbar wrote: »

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

Thats certainly not true at all.Ireland is a very insular and nationalistic country...that is the truth.

I agree with the poster that said if the reverse was the case Ireland would have done the same ( and if we take into consideration the way we treat immigrants in this country today)..we could have done much worse...its simply human nature.

The English found themselves in a pivotal and vantage position in an era where there were no distinct international rules or etiquette to be observed and they took advantage of it( as any rational thinking country,group,people would). In todays world where they are effective norms and principles to be followed when dealing with immigrants,Ireland has consistently refused to adhere to 70% of them ie in the areas of equal opportunities,fairness or non-discrimination.Rather they were blighted by the overrated notion of the Celtic Tiger era and erroneously believed that they were an economic power when in reality we are just a developing country compared to most members of the OECD.

I would find it very idiotic for any Irish person to still have issues with the British given the fact that TODAY ,you dont need an English surname to be considered for a Job in the UK....unlike .....Ireland where I have never heard of a foreign name hold any meaningful position....and yet I heard that Obama could be from Offaly...very patronising indeed.

stepbar

PK2008 wrote: »

F*ck the IRA, f*ck the armchair generals, f*ck the famine, f*ck the rebel songs and f*ck leprechaun a55holes who revel in the "poor paddy worked on the railroad" bullsh1t victim mentality.

Quantified enough fer ya?

Thank you. But its part of our identity, and as Irish people, as such we should not be dissing in the way you have. Otherwise we go down the road of being identity less and TBH I'm sure you are proud to be Irish. But if we go down the road of your thinking we may as well shut shop.