Does the fact that the English allowed the average Irishman to perish....

galwayrush · 29-05-2009 10:14PM

K-9 wrote: »

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

Get ye next time.

O'Coonassa · 29-05-2009 10:25PM

stepbar wrote: »

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

Doubleplusgoodthink

5318008! · 29-05-2009 10:26PM

I'm not saying i support any of the views in this thread but;

There's a massive difference between the English (and even their democratically elected leaders) and the old english establishment.

EamonnKeane · 29-05-2009 10:27PM

Why let the Scottish and Welsh off? And conversely, do you think their ancestors - who were, after all, almost certainly housewives, labourers, tenant farmers, etc., not MPs or industrialists who might have been able to do anything - had any responsibility for what happened

galwayrush · 29-05-2009 10:29PM

Reading history books, the average Englishman was treated pretty badly as well by the establishment back then.

Biggins · 29-05-2009 10:32PM

I'm tired of the past being dredged up and used just to slap another country/culture/race/whatever down.
Its doing us no good and its doing creating/solidifying international relationships no good.

Lets move the frak on! Nuff' said, I'm outa here...

stepbar · 29-05-2009 10:36PM

K-9 wrote: »

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

Nothing different, the fact that we respected them on our home turf is enough for for me, despite out history. The result of the match was irrelevant.

galwayrush · 29-05-2009 10:37PM

stepbar wrote: »

Nothing different, the fact that we respected them on our home turf is enough for for me, despite out history. The result of the match was irrelevant.

Yes, i felt very proud that day, like we finally grew up as a nation.

sub-x · 29-05-2009 10:42PM

I agree with the OP 100%,but why stop there then,what about Scandinavians ??? oh yeah don't forget God hes been doing it for years :rolleyes:

aidan_walsh · 29-05-2009 10:44PM

Dragan wrote: »

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Must be a new Wolftones album coming out.

PK2008 · 29-05-2009 10:48PM

I hate way more Irish people than I do English tbh.

(especially people who bang on about the famine, have a big mac and STFU)

stepbar · 29-05-2009 10:49PM

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Must be a new Wolftones album coming out.

The Wolfe Tones were very relivent back in the day. Maybe not so much now. But TBH there's nothing more I enjoy than lashing out a bar of "The streets of New York" or "Come out ye Black and Tans" or such songs like that. It's our identity, if it be right or wrong.

stepbar · 29-05-2009 10:50PM

PK2008 wrote: »

I hate way more Irish people than I do English tbh.

(especially people who bang on about the famine, have a big mac and STFU)

Go on, more comment needed.

PK2008 · 29-05-2009 10:54PM

stepbar wrote: »

Go on, more comment needed.

Ah no I shouldnt be so flippant

After all my great uncle died in the famine

RIP:

Latchy · 29-05-2009 10:56PM

From an objective point of view , every generation of irishmen asks the same question .In 30 years time they might still be but by then as now, how many more irishmen / women wil have married into the anglo saxon race ?

stepbar · 29-05-2009 10:57PM

PK2008 wrote: »

Ah no I shouldnt be so flippant

After all my great uncle died in the famine

RIP:

Indeed Mr Potato did but thankfully he resurrected himself. Now please quantify your statement.

O'Coonassa · 29-05-2009 11:01PM

Latchy wrote: »

From an objective point of view , every generation of irishmen asks the same question .In 30 years time they might still be but by then as now, how many more irishmen / women wil have married into the anglo saxon race ?

Around as many as will have married Klingons tbh.

PK2008 · 29-05-2009 11:02PM

stepbar wrote: »

Indeed Mr Potato did but thankfully he resurrected himself. Now please quantify your statement.

F*ck the IRA, f*ck the armchair generals, f*ck the famine, f*ck the rebel songs and f*ck leprechaun a55holes who revel in the "poor paddy worked on the railroad" bullsh1t victim mentality.

Quantified enough fer ya?

KINGVictor · 29-05-2009 11:04PM

stepbar wrote: »

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

Thats certainly not true at all.Ireland is a very insular and nationalistic country...that is the truth.

I agree with the poster that said if the reverse was the case Ireland would have done the same ( and if we take into consideration the way we treat immigrants in this country today)..we could have done much worse...its simply human nature.

The English found themselves in a pivotal and vantage position in an era where there were no distinct international rules or etiquette to be observed and they took advantage of it( as any rational thinking country,group,people would). In todays world where they are effective norms and principles to be followed when dealing with immigrants,Ireland has consistently refused to adhere to 70% of them ie in the areas of equal opportunities,fairness or non-discrimination.Rather they were blighted by the overrated notion of the Celtic Tiger era and erroneously believed that they were an economic power when in reality we are just a developing country compared to most members of the OECD.

I would find it very idiotic for any Irish person to still have issues with the British given the fact that TODAY ,you dont need an English surname to be considered for a Job in the UK....unlike .....Ireland where I have never heard of a foreign name hold any meaningful position....and yet I heard that Obama could be from Offaly...very patronising indeed.

stepbar · 29-05-2009 11:13PM

PK2008 wrote: »

F*ck the IRA, f*ck the armchair generals, f*ck the famine, f*ck the rebel songs and f*ck leprechaun a55holes who revel in the "poor paddy worked on the railroad" bullsh1t victim mentality.

Quantified enough fer ya?

Thank you. But its part of our identity, and as Irish people, as such we should not be dissing in the way you have. Otherwise we go down the road of being identity less and TBH I'm sure you are proud to be Irish. But if we go down the road of your thinking we may as well shut shop.

PK2008 · 29-05-2009 11:19PM

stepbar wrote: »

Thank you. But its part of our identity, and as Irish people, as such we should not be dissing in the way you have. Otherwise we go down the road of being identity less and TBH I'm sure you are proud to be Irish. But if we go down the road of your thinking we may as well shut shop.

Its not part of my identity, I was born and raised in Dublin, never oppressed by the British, get on very well with all kinds of ppl and dont have an inferiority complex or identity crisis- get over it, its ppl like you that make the rest of Ireland cringe with embarrassment

"Oh baby watch the free bird fly!!"..............Saps

K-9 · 29-05-2009 11:36PM

stepbar wrote: »

Nothing different, the fact that we respected them on our home turf is enough for for me, despite out history. The result of the match was irrelevant.

It still didn't feel right to me, GSTQ in Croker, but you have to move on.

I don't see why we should backslap ourselves over it either. Time to move on.

stepbar · 29-05-2009 11:41PM

PK2008 wrote: »

Its not part of my identity, I was born and raised in Dublin, never oppressed by the British, get on very well with all kinds of ppl and dont have an inferiority complex or identity crisis- get over it, its ppl like you that make the rest of Ireland cringe with embarrassment

"Oh baby watch the free bird fly!!"..............Saps

That's your opinion. Nor was I oppressed by the Brits and I too get on with all kinds of people. I work with folk from at least 10 different nationalities. I don't have an inferior complex either. So your argument must be tainted with other issues that you have not displayed on this forum.

Latchy · 29-05-2009 11:41PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Around as many as will have married Klingons tbh.

So were talking tens of thousends, not to mention irish who will marry other races to so OP's question is really irrelevant in early 21rst century and will just be remembered as part of world history , in the same way the jewish holocust is remembered .

stepbar · 29-05-2009 11:43PM

K-9 wrote: »

It still didn't feel right to me, GSTQ in Croker, but you have to move on.

I don't see why we should backslap ourselves over it either. Time to move on.

No but we should feel proud that, as a nation, we were able to accept history gone by.

K-9 · 29-05-2009 11:47PM

stepbar wrote: »

No but we should feel proud that, as a nation, we were able to accept history gone by.

The BBC coverage was outstanding that day, far better than the RTE Luv in. John Inverdale was excellent and very sympathetic in explaining why it was such a big deal. Have to Thank the Ould enemy for that.

stepbar · 29-05-2009 11:50PM

K-9 wrote: »

The BBC coverage was outstanding that day, far better than the RTE Luv in. John Inverdale was excellent and very sympathetic in explaining why it was such a big deal. Have to Thank the Ould enemy for that.

I agree fully. They were very sympathetic towards the history behind the match in question.

IIMII · 30-05-2009 12:10AM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been great if the Irish invaded England and took over the monarchy ?

First thing I'd have done is change the name of London to Derrylondon. Then I'd have blown up Nelsons column and erected a spike

Latchy · 30-05-2009 12:14AM

Irish history is one thing and important but constant navel gazing becomes boring and irrelevant .

IIMII · 30-05-2009 12:15AM

KINGVictor wrote: »

I would find it very idiotic for any Irish person to still have issues with the British given the fact that TODAY ,you dont need an English surname to be considered for a Job in the UK....unlike .....Ireland where I have never heard of a foreign name hold any meaningful position

Bit like the line of succession to be head of state in England, no? Ever hear of DeValera? Or Hyde? Marsergh? Varadkar? Adams? Lets face it, you don't get much more insular and in-bred than the British ruling elite, that's before we talk religious descrimination.

stepbar wrote: »

The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

It was rugby, who cares? Sure it happened during the Special Olympics befor that. Turning point my arse. Turning point will be when the get their army off our island and when can sort out our differences without British guns skulking around in the background

walshb wrote: »

English and Irish are separated by geography, that is it.

There's more than the sea that seperates the Irish from the English

Does the fact that the English allowed the average Irishman to perish....

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