Does the fact that the English allowed the average Irishman to perish....

like clockwork! · 29-05-2009 05:39AM #1

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

TPD · 29-05-2009 05:44AM

My gut says Maybe

29-05-2009 05:51AM

To allow yourself to hate people because of what their ancestors did to your ancestors would be a very retarded thing to do.

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

Many of us have ancestors both sides of the Irish sea (& beyond) which would make it a bit hypocritical to tar a whole nation with such a broad brush.

keane2097 · 29-05-2009 06:17AM

I'm currently disliking a lot of them because of expense claims.

I reserve the right to fall back to the famine stronghold in future if I run out of things to moan about.

I, being a fairly typical person, will complain about absolutely anything.

Overheal · 29-05-2009 06:22AM

Freedom Fries, etc. :rolleyes:

Matt Holck · 29-05-2009 06:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To allow yourself to hate people because of what their ancestors did to your ancestors would be a very retarded thing to do.

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

Many of us have ancestors both sides of the Irish sea (& beyond) which would make it a bit hypocritical to tar a whole nation with such a broad brush.

fair enough

but I don't want to be arrested

Zebra3 · 29-05-2009 06:44AM

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

Nothing against the average Brit, but when you see members of their establishment celebrating battles from 1812 and then pretending the 1840s was a long time ago and wasn't their fault makes me sick. Ireland was a net exporter of food during the famine. It was genocide.

There should be an apology from the British state, but it's no more the fault of the average Brit than I'm to blame for all the shyte that happened to people in the care of religious paedos and sickos in Ireland.

Thoie · 29-05-2009 07:12AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

There should be an apology from the British state

There was.

walshb · 29-05-2009 07:37AM

The British did a lot of nasty things to a lot of countries, why? Well, power will breed
nastiness and destruction in any race or ethnic entity. Ireland was not in a position to do nasty things, but given the power and chance, we are no different.

English and Irish are separated by geography, that is it.

I do not hate the average English person simply because their ancestors did bad things
on us. I can bet that if our ancestors had the power, they too would possibly have
done bad things on the English. It's the nasty side of human nature

Dragan · 29-05-2009 07:44AM

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Highsider · 29-05-2009 07:44AM

I would'nt lower myself to hate them.

Rented Mule · 29-05-2009 07:47AM

walshb wrote: »

I can bet that if our ancestors had the power, they too would possibly have done bad things on the English.

Now ye're talkin' !!

Wouldn't it have been great if the Irish invaded England and took over the monarchy ? Gave the auld gene pool a good stirrin' from the bottom up.

King Decco I of Smithfield has a nice sort of a ring to it.

I can already see his toothless, track suit wearing, penguin walking mug on the sterling notes.

chughes · 29-05-2009 07:51AM

Maybe we should hate the Scandinavians too. After all, their Viking ancestors came over here and raped and pillaged. Seriously, blaming current generations for the sins of previous ones is a futile exercise.

walshb · 29-05-2009 07:57AM

And as in any country, a section of the people are good and decent and honest people.
So, there may have been many bad English with power, but also, many good and
honorable English with power.

stovelid · 29-05-2009 08:29AM

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Idiom:

like clockwork

With machinelike regularity and precision; perfectly: the monotonous, tedious anti-Brit bile in AH proceeded like clockwork

lisbon_lions · 29-05-2009 08:35AM

I used to hate all English, until I found myself in college over there(I know, dont ask). I found the people very welcoming, and have made some mates for life from all parts of England. In fact, we are meeting up in a few weeks for a reunion, the 4th one in 10 years.

They really are just like us, they like ACDC, having bbq's, drinking beer, watching footie and pulling.

Cant really blame them for their forefathers greed really?

Quint · 29-05-2009 08:47AM

If anyone does "hate" the english because of what happened 200 years ago, does your hate actually achieve anything?

Crann na Beatha · 29-05-2009 08:50AM

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mike65 · 29-05-2009 09:47AM

Dragan wrote: »

What's with all the thinly veiled "here's another reason to hate the English" threads?

Indeed it seems to be a theme right now, still it usually adds to the gaiety of the After Hours crowd, esp those in the cheap seats (and it means they are here typing up rabid often incoherent replies rather than burning down the British Embasy)

Zadkiel · 29-05-2009 09:52AM

I have found the english people to be very warm.
That said you meet c unts everywhere, sure don't we have plenty of our own?
Do english people post on forums " do we hate the Irish for blowing people up" doubtful; because its not a reflection on the entire people.

mike65 · 29-05-2009 09:54AM

They do on www.bnp.co.uk I bet!

O'Coonassa · 29-05-2009 09:55AM

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

Well said. But what we also need to understand is that the food leaving under guard was mostly grown by tenant farmers. If they hadn't got the full market price for it then they wouldn't have been able to pay their rents and would themselves have been evicted and relegated to the rank of famine victims. Those here today are mostly descended from people such as these, so when we suggest that their food should have been seized and redistrubuted do we really know what we're saying?

O'Coonassa · 29-05-2009 09:57AM

Iolar wrote: »

They probably have alot of pent up sexual frustration tbh

In my experience they're generally ones who got picked on at school for being inadequate and have nothing much to offer the world but 'patriotism'

super_furry · 29-05-2009 09:58AM

You fools, you blind, blind fools. When will you open your eyes and realised the English were only a front for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8

SoWatchaWant · 29-05-2009 10:01AM

like clockwork! wrote: »

...during the famine, impact on how you feel toward the entire English people at present?

It used to make me hate them. But then I stopped and thought for a minute; how do I know that all 16 of my great-great grandparents were "full-blooded Irish"? Chances are that they wer'nt; and the very fact that I am here in 2009 to type this shít out probably means that I'm descended from some fcukers who survived the famine because of the fact that they were born into wealth, c-nuts.

Also; not much point hating the great-great grandchildren of the British fcukers who stood guard at the ships full of food that left port to be exported to Britain, as Ireland people starved. I suppose if you look at it in a completely reductionist and objective fashion, we are all just glorified clockwork, meat puppets programmed by our genetic make-up and deterministically coerced by our enviroment to end up where we do.

I get no trouble from British people nowadays, so there's no problem there. If you were set on hating someone because of their lineage, you'd be better off hating the Germans.

SoWatchaWant · 29-05-2009 10:04AM

Highsider wrote: »

I would'nt lower myself to hate them.

Nor would I to hate you.

slippy wicket · 29-05-2009 09:59PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Well said. But what we also need to understand is that the food leaving under guard was mostly grown by tenant farmers. If they hadn't got the full market price for it then they wouldn't have been able to pay their rents and would themselves have been evicted and relegated to the rank of famine victims. Those here today are mostly descended from people such as these, so when we suggest that their food should have been seized and redistrubuted do we really know what we're saying?

Thats a good point. But if we all look back into our families past, there are people who if they did the things that they did now, they would be up in a war crimes tribunal. I know there are back in the dark recesses of my family.
i suppose slaughter and butchery is not a crime as long you are on the winning side.

galwayrush · 29-05-2009 10:06PM

I have met many English people over the past few years, many of whom i now consider good friends, none of whom were around at the time of the famine, so i haven't got a problem with any of them.

Jesus Wept · 29-05-2009 10:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If we were to take such an attitude to it's logical conclusion, we would hate everyone!

That's my policy.

stepbar · 29-05-2009 10:09PM

We're a very tolerent nation. I don't hate the Brits. I feel sad for them. A nation with little of no identity, identity that seperates them from the rest. I mean when the Brits were going round the world taking over countries etc they had proper identity. Now they just look weak. The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

K-9 · 29-05-2009 10:13PM

stepbar wrote: »

The turning point for me (in terms of Ire Eng relations) was the Ire v Eng rugby match. We accepted and welcomed them into Croke Park and respected their national anthem. What happened after that is the story of legends. That day we put it out there and made a bold statement by saying, as a nation, "We respect you but by god we are better than you".

What if we'd lost, what would that have said?

Does the fact that the English allowed the average Irishman to perish....

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