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Taxi Industry in chaos

  • 22-05-2009 3:28pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭


    When our Government should be protecting jobs our Fina Fail Mafia
    is screwing us even more. The cost of a photo license is to go up
    almost 1000% from €11 to almost €250. What a joke why dont they just send us all invites to join the dole queues. http://www.mogulus.com/taxieire


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Volvoboy


    samsham wrote: »
    When our Government should be protecting jobs our Fina Fail Mafia
    is screwing us even more. The cost of a photo license is to go up
    almost 1000% from €11 to almost €250. What a joke why dont they just send us all invites to join the dole queues. http://www.mogulus.com/taxieire

    €3 to €250


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Your maths isn't that great. €11 to €250 os 2200%.

    And €250 doesn't seem too unreasonable. A quick check shows that a licence in a city like Manchester costs stg£165. In Edinburgh it is stg£850 and will cost you £150 per year to renew. So it isn't that out of line with our nearest neighbour.

    I believe the licence fee hadn't changed since 1977 either so an increase was overdue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,529 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    samsham wrote: »
    When our Government should be protecting jobs our Fina Fail Mafia is screwing us even more. The cost of a photo license is to go up almost 1000% from €11 to almost €250. What a joke why dont they just send us all invites to join the dole queues. http://www.mogulus.com/taxieire
    €250 every 5 years, wow, that's like €0.96 a week. However will you poor people be able to afford that :pac: No sympathy at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Volvoboy


    Alun wrote: »
    €250 every 5 years, wow, that's like €0.96 a week. However will you poor people be able to afford that :pac: No sympathy at all.

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    I thought taxi drivers were complaining about too few barriers, leading to oversupply. Will this not help them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I thought taxi drivers were complaining about too few barriers, leading to oversupply. Will this not help them?

    It's only barriers to new entrants they want. The existing drivers have to be allowed play by their own rules.


    As for the €250 fee. If €50 a year is whats keeping you off the dole que, you need a new job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭Mimikyu


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    Im a Taxi driver for over 8 years. Im fed up listening to Taxi Drivers moaning at every given oppertunity. I heard about this weeks ago and smiled, also had a look at the new PSV testing system including the new Drivers SPSV Skills Development Test. I think that the more it costs and the harder it is to get into the business that we will all be better off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Alun wrote: »
    €250 every 5 years, wow, that's like €0.96 a week. However will you poor people be able to afford that :pac: No sympathy at all.
    No need to gloat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    To be fair, I have been flippant in my post and I think there are a large number of taxi drivers out there who are worried whether they're going to meet their mortgage. And in that situation, you'll grab on any little point or percentage to prove a point.

    Fact is, it's a hangover from the old days where taxi drivers earned loads. They don't any more. Look around the world, taxis tend to be driven by less skilled people. And they tend to be cheaper. Dublin's drivers tend to be more skilled and are relying on big wages and as we move away from that the complaints are coming more and more.

    The truth is that the taxi regulator has been set up to regulate the future industry, not the current. There has been a bit of a dent in the economy but if it had kept going as it was in the first half of the 2000s, there would not have been the stereotypical 1998 taxi driver left in 2020.

    The actions of the current taxi regulator has to be seen in the context of where people think the economy will be 10 years down the road and not 10 years ago.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    The only way the industry can help itself would be to have a decommissioning of about 30% of the plates out there now. Preventing more people coming into an industry that already can't cope is not a solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭NinjaTruncs


    Look around the world, taxis tend to be driven by less skilled people. And they tend to be cheaper. Dublin's drivers tend to be more skilled and are relying on big wages and as we move away from that the complaints are coming more and more.
    you make me laugh.

    4.3kWp South facing PV System. South Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    you make me laugh.

    It's true. Taxi drivers in Dublin tend to be degree educated, IT consulting, Dickens reading gents who have been company directors. Or at least there is enough about the job to attract a good few of them. Fact is that this class of taxi driver is not in keeping with those in the rest of the world. They are a temporary anomaly. And in 15 years time the driver who taxis because it suits his hours and pays as much as working in finance will be a thing of the past.

    That is what the taxi regulator is working towards. And I think it's right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    sliabh wrote: »
    Your maths isn't that great. €11 to €250 os 2200%.

    And €250 doesn't seem too unreasonable. A quick check shows that a licence in a city like Manchester costs stg£165. In Edinburgh it is stg£850 and will cost you £150 per year to renew. So it isn't that out of line with our nearest neighbour.

    I believe the license fee hadn't changed since 1977 either so an increase was overdue.
    I think your making a few mistakes here. A taxi License in Ireland costs €6,300 and to renew it each year costs in the region of €450. The license being referred to hear is a driving license rather like yours from the motor taxation office. Now explain the cost difference between both. I assume administration costs are the same. As for the increase percentage , I am sorry I should not believe what I read in the papers. I afraid in university when I studied to become a Taxi driver they neglected to tell me sometimes the papers lie. As for sympathy, I don't imagine you sympathy would solve the problem. Why all the hostility here folks. Its simple increases like that when jobs are already on the balance is crazy. Reason why there has been no change since 1977 is we were wearing a copper badge until recently, must have cost a €1. Lets be clear folks. We talking about the driver ID on the dash in front of the Taxi. Not the vehicle License. That plastic 2 by 4 cut out with a picture, nothing more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    Volvoboy wrote: »
    €3 to €250
    Sorry you are of course right €3 to €250. You know Folks a few of our drivers have come recently from closed factories. When did they lose your sympathy? When they sat behind the wheel of a Taxi to keep the roof over their families heads. This attitude seems to me to be unintelligent. Almost 47,000 holders of PSV licenses and you have had problems with a few and the rest are Doomed to hell. By the logic I should never again pick up a Drunk, or Polish like the guys that assaulted our driver last month. Completely unintelligent response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    samsham wrote: »
    You know Folks a few of our drivers have come recently from closed factories. When did they lose your sympathy? .

    When they became taxi drivers then started complaining and inconveniencing the general public making demands that the door be shut behind them .


    It's a free market. Just like most other businesses people are free(ish) to start up as a taxi driver.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭jack90210


    Fact is, it's a hangover from the old days where taxi drivers earned loads. They don't any more. Look around the world, taxis tend to be driven by less skilled people. And they tend to be cheaper. Dublin's drivers tend to be more skilled and are relying on big wages and as we move away from that the complaints are coming more and more.

    This is correct if you go to other cities, taxi drivers are unskilled and have never went to college etc. Taxi driving is very very easy to do and therefore you have no protection for new entrants. While I wouldn't say Irish drivers are particularly skilled many have worked in other industries and earned a good wage. However, by changing to self employed they have exposed themselves to increased competition for the benefits of being your own boss etc. They took a chance and lost, thats life and the system we operate under. Hard luck.

    In fact doing a Porter 5 force anaylsis taxi driving seems like a dreadful industry to operate in.
    1. Threat of new entrants - very high.
    2. Threat of subs - very high - public transport and private transport.
    3. Bargaining power of purchasers - high and increasing - see the 20% discounts now been offered and people haggling.
    4. Bargaining power of suppliers - very very high there is only one supplier of taxi licences and therefore have all the power.
    5. Intensity of competition - very high and increasing - drivers are becoming more cut throat about getting fares.

    Clearly, taxi driving is a dreadful industry to enter so these people made a bad investment and don't really deserve to much sympathy under the market system this country operates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    samsham wrote: »
    You know Folks a few of our drivers have come recently from closed factories. When did they lose your sympathy? When they sat behind the wheel of a Taxi to keep the roof over their families heads.

    Seems to me this a reason for avoiding a cap.
    It's giving people a go at being self-employed and the opportunity to make an income if they can work the hours. But they may fail and also, I think there are problems with getting access to welfare if you are self employed.

    It seems many drivers were happy to get cheaper plates after deregulation but want the door closed immediately after they buy one. Hardly fair

    Besides as already posted, this fee increase won't deter full time drivers but it may put off part-timers who only work some hours at weekends.
    Turn a negative into a positive :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    samsham wrote: »
    You know Folks a few of our drivers have come recently from closed factories. When did they lose your sympathy? When they sat behind the wheel of a Taxi to keep the roof over their families heads.


    But you would have to so that the very people who become taxi drivers after being let go from the factories, are prevented from doing so!

    If you had got your moratorium on new licenses, these guys wouldn't have been allowed to drive taxis!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    It's true. Taxi drivers in Dublin tend to be degree educated, IT consulting, Dickens reading gents who have been company directors. Or at least there is enough about the job to attract a good few of them. Fact is that this class of taxi driver is not in keeping with those in the rest of the world. They are a temporary anomaly. And in 15 years time the driver who taxis because it suits his hours and pays as much as working in finance will be a thing of the past.

    That is what the taxi regulator is working towards. And I think it's right.

    I have an IT degree. Got the taxi while i was still at college. Now that ive got an IT job i can still do more or less the same hours in the taxi as i always have been doing. So now i have 2 incomes.

    I dont think the taxi requires any skill at all, bar figuring out where to make the money, which 90% of drivers dont seem to know how to do. They seem to want the money to just walk into their pockets.

    Last year i made more than my other half, from the taxi. Shes a fund adminstrator in the ifsc and has a degree and 3 years experience in her job and is well paid. And yet i made more than her, worked about the same or less hours and went to college and did final exams in that year.

    I really dont know what the rest of the drivers are complaining about. Learn your trade and learn how to grow your business. Money isnt free. Complaining gets you nowhere and besides people know the truth anyway. Us putting on the poor mouth constantly isnt going to pull the wool over their eyes. We make a very good living, but we have to pretend we dont. I havent time for that kind of bs. Im too busy making money, instead of pretending im on the breadline.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Sleipnir wrote: »

    If you had got your moratorium on new licenses, these guys wouldn't have been allowed to drive taxis!

    Either would most of the drivers protesting funnily enough..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Taxipete29


    http://irishtaxi.org/?cat=9

    For those who might be interested in finding out what most drivers actually want, there is a copy of the framework document which was submitted to Minister Dempsey available to download at the bottom of the first article on this page.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    Taxipete29 wrote: »
    http://irishtaxi.org/?cat=9

    For those who might be interested in finding out what most drivers actually want, there is a copy of the framework document which was submitted to Minister Dempsey available to download at the bottom of the first article on this page.

    I know what they want (most of them anyway). I hear it every day. They want to stop entry into the business for anyone else, so they can be lazy and not have to compete for the customers money. They want their plates to be worth as much as a house again by the time they retire.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Taxipete29


    I know what they want (most of them anyway). I hear it every day. They want to stop entry into the business for anyone else, so they can be lazy and not have to compete for the customers money. They want their plates to be worth as much as a house again by the time they retire.

    Read the document, Im not entering into a slagging match or even a discussion about this.Most people here know my opinion and if you dont its easily found.
    Just felt some might want to see its not just about pulling the ladder up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Either would most of the drivers protesting funnily enough..
    you should look up what moratorium means.. In fact most people
    would prefer if the taxi numbers reflected the population sizes.
    saturating markets just means more drivers taking from the same
    pool of customers. When incomes go down so do Standards. Regards
    the private sector. practically every skilled worker on a building site
    went to FAS subsidized by Tax payers money. Small business can
    access enterprise and business loans. The taxi Industry seems to be
    the only truely free market personally I am not in favor of a capp. I would like to see better entrant qualifications. example we are the only European country where you can drive 8 people in a taxi 10 minutes after passing a driving test. While in the same country you can not sit with a learner driver only when you have had your license two years. Most countries require a full clean license 3 years before applying for a taxi.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    samsham wrote: »
    you should look up what moratorium means.. In fact most people
    would prefer if the taxi numbers reflected the population sizes.
    saturating markets just means more drivers taking from the same
    pool of customers. When incomes go down so do Standards. Regards
    the private sector. practically every skilled worker on a building site
    went to FAS subsidized by Tax payers money. Small business can
    access enterprise and business loans. The taxi Industry seems to be
    the only truely free market personally I am not in favor of a capp. I would like to see better entrant qualifications. example we are the only European country where you can drive 8 people in a taxi 10 minutes after passing a driving test. While in the same country you can not sit with a learner driver only when you have had your license two years. Most countries require a full clean license 3 years before applying for a taxi.


    But most of the guys on the ranks dont care about anything except the price of a plate and that they get no more competition into the profession.
    All that stuff about qualifications and so on is just window dressing because it must be added in to make it sound like we are not being unreasonable.

    If we were to bring in entrant qualifications then
    I would like to see stringent tests brought in now like "The knowledge" and so on. All current drivers and all new entrants have to do them. And anyone who fails is off the road until they pass. Then have to do the test every 2 years. That way there is no barrier to entry bar having the skills required to become a taxi driver. We dont need those without the skills anyway. And we get rid of those currently driving who are no good too.

    There is a good living to be made in a taxi as it is, though you would get beaten up if you actually told the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭topdost


    Asking for 250 euro is all about making money it will not stop people commig in this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭samsham


    But most of the guys on the ranks dont care about anything except the price of a plate and that they get no more competition into the profession.
    All that stuff about qualifications and so on is just window dressing because it must be added in to make it sound like we are not being unreasonable.

    If we were to bring in entrant qualifications then
    I would like to see stringent tests brought in now like "The knowledge" and so on. All current drivers and all new entrants have to do them. And anyone who fails is off the road until they pass. Then have to do the test every 2 years. That way there is no barrier to entry bar having the skills required to become a taxi driver. We dont need those without the skills anyway. And we get rid of those currently driving who are no good too.

    There is a good living to be made in a taxi as it is, though you would get beaten up if you actually told the truth.
    I have heard that from some Dublin drivers, that money can be made, but try it in a city of 49000 population and 500 cabs, no croke park, no RDS no point, no Airport. Then you might review your last comment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    samsham wrote: »
    I have heard that from some Dublin drivers, that money can be made, but try it in a city of 49000 population and 500 cabs, no croke park, no RDS no point, no Airport. Then you might review your last comment.


    I can only speak for Dublin.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭jack90210


    It would appear there is defo money to be made in fact there is thread on irishtaxi.org right now stating that drivers are earning 300 euro for a saturday night which sounds pretty good to me. Posters now giving out telling the admins to lock it as it will encourage people to start taxing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    jack90210 wrote: »
    It would appear there is defo money to be made in fact there is thread on irishtaxi.org right now stating that drivers are earning 300 euro for a saturday night which sounds pretty good to me. Posters now giving out telling the admins to lock it as it will encourage people to start taxing.


    I was reading it
    http://irishtaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=669.0

    Look at them saying to cover up what they make. Whats the point?
    Im amazed that some of the guys think the average punter is just stupid. I understand we cant pull the wool over peoples eyes regarding how much we make. So i work hard and earn good money. We could do with less moaning and massaging of the figures from other drivers. It makes us all look like plonkers tbh. Seriously, we wouldnt be doing it if we didnt make money.

    Id say you can nearly double that figure for an average saturday night take.
    Probably get that or more on a Friday and maybe an average of about €30 an hour on a weekday evening until about midnight.

    If i only took €300 on a saturday night i would consider it a very bad night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    I read that thread too, the OP was moaning that used to make 300 per night and now it was only 200.

    lol, you're right that others wanted the thread deleted in case it encouraged others.

    I've no idea what the average takings are in every town in Ireland for a weekend night. (and this thread seems to revolve around Dublin??)
    But if you're a PAYE worker and already have a car, then hey 200 euro for a Friday and then a Saturday night is something worth checking.
    Sure there are start-up costs but there might be something there and could be handy since you're down money on the income levy and maybe you need cash for holidays, house repairs, etc

    Ooops, the full time drivers will accuse you of cherry picking the lucrative shifts :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    mikemac wrote: »
    I read that thread too, the OP was moaning that used to make 300 per night and now it was only 200.

    lol, you're right that others wanted the thread deleted in case it encouraged others.

    I've no idea what the average takings are in every town in Ireland for a weekend night. (and this thread seems to revolve around Dublin??)
    But if you're a PAYE worker and already have a car, then hey 200 euro for a Friday and then a Saturday night is something worth checking.
    Sure there are start-up costs but there might be something there and could be handy since you're down money on the income levy and maybe you need cash for holidays, house repairs, etc

    Ooops, the full time drivers will accuse you of cherry picking the lucrative shifts :P


    I already had the taxi. While i was in college i drove the taxi. Hours suited me anyway. Then since graduating last year ive been driving the taxi full time. At last i got the job in th career i want. Slightly less money than i took with the taxi, but its what i want to do.
    Im still doing the taxiing in the evenings and weekends. It more or less should double my income - i need the car anyway. So im very happy to cherry pick the best shifts.
    Im just tired of the old guard taxi driver complaining about people double jobbing, or entering the business easily etc . They dont care that others are willing to work hard and do those extra hours because they want to make money - they just care that they now have to get up off their asses and work for a change.

    PS - I was actually banned before from that forum for telling it like it is.

    Have a read of this to see the kind off crap venomous people i have to pretend to put up with
    http://irishtaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=112.0

    They are just lazy people.

    For an example of what drivers can do to help themselves instead of complaining heres what we do.

    My dad and brother are taxi drivers too. We also have 5 others in on our little club.
    Basically we have business cards printed, offering 20% off. Each of us gives these cards out. We pay between us for a flyer drop every few months too. We've got our own radios. We all go around picking up off the streets too.
    The number on the card is always diverted to someones phone who is working at the time.
    Whenever we get a call we pick up the radio and see who is free and is closest and they take the job.

    There are a couple of other things we do too to get the jobs too that im not going to go into here as it might upset some other drivers.

    Basically we're all busy nearly all the time we're working.

    This came about as a result of us getting together and coming up with a system where we could maximize our cars. Not from sitting in the rank complaining and lying about how we are on the breadline and omitting to say we can write off expenses against tax (if we do pay the tax :) ).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭jack90210


    Lots of racism and threats against the regulator on that forum. Pretty shocking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    jack90210 wrote: »
    It would appear there is defo money to be made in fact there is thread on irishtaxi.org right now stating that drivers are earning 300 euro for a saturday night which sounds pretty good to me. Posters now giving out telling the admins to lock it as it will encourage people to start taxing.

    €300 on a Saturday would be about right give or take a few € for but bear in mind that is for about 9-10 hours work before costs. Yes, there are times when you will take in more that that but there are also times when you will take in less than that.

    There are at least five other nights in the week that I can assure you are nothing like even close to that busy; pop into any city centre bar on a mid week night and tell me otherwise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Hamndegger wrote: »
    There are at least five other nights in the week that I can assure you are nothing like even close to that busy; pop into any city centre bar on a mid week night and tell me otherwise.

    Fair enough but if you want to do it part-time as well as your full-time job, possibly there is money to be made.

    Oh, and there would be six other nights too, not five :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 25 punts for 1


    I was reading it
    http://irishtaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=669.0

    Look at them saying to cover up what they make. Whats the point?
    Im amazed that some of the guys think the average punter is just stupid. I understand we cant pull the wool over peoples eyes regarding how much we make. So i work hard and earn good money. We could do with less moaning and massaging of the figures from other drivers. It makes us all look like plonkers tbh. Seriously, we wouldnt be doing it if we didnt make money.

    Id say you can nearly double that figure for an average saturday night take.
    Probably get that or more on a Friday and maybe an average of about €30 an hour on a weekday evening until about midnight.






    you think you can earn 600 on a saturday....thats the biggest pile of gick ive heard in years....its getting harder by the week...why dont you buy my plate and rent it out, im sure there'll be a que around the block to rent it from you with that kind of bucks to be made......seriously whats yor agenda or are you just an old fashioned liar??????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    mikemac wrote: »
    Fair enough but if you want to do it part-time as well as your full-time job, possibly there is money to be made.

    Oh, and there would be six other nights too, not five :)

    And I don't deserve a night off?:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac



    That site is some joke.
    They are complaining about Luas access and the bridge across the Liffey which will improve access to the O2 and the national conference centre.

    Sure who could complain about better facilities?..........unless you were a vested interest and want loads of easy & mega fares.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Don't forget the threads on part time scum :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭jack90210


    Hamndegger wrote: »
    €300 on a Saturday would be about right give or take a few € for but bear in mind that is for about 9-10 hours work before costs. Yes, there are times when you will take in more that that but there are also times when you will take in less than that.

    There are at least five other nights in the week that I can assure you are nothing like even close to that busy; pop into any city centre bar on a mid week night and tell me otherwise.


    Yeh but on top of your regular job or for students it would be a nice earner on top. If you came out with €500 a week which I feel is likely considering €300 on saturday is possible it must mean taxi men are on at least €26000 a year and if you factor in the odd special period like Christmas where they earn more to cover the costs not been factored in here. They really do have a job paying about the average industrial wage which ain't half bad really for driving a car around and been your own boss. Certainly more than the €200 a week on the dole!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭the boss of me


    I was reading it
    http://irishtaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=669.0



    Id say you can nearly double that figure for an average saturday night take.
    Probably get that or more on a Friday and maybe an average of about €30 an hour on a weekday evening until about midnight.

    If i only took €300 on a saturday night i would consider it a very bad night.

    I really think you should change your name to "Taximanmitty" because you're dreaming. A few years ago it was possible to get €300 on a Saturday night (for about 10 hours work), but it was never possble to double it. These days €200 is a more realistic target for a Saturday but it's hard to get even that nowadays. Fridays nights are even worse and the weeknights are a washout.
    I gave it up recently after ten years because it just isn't viable anymore. It's not fair to give people the impression that investing their money in getting into the taxi business is a good investment so please stop misleading people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 Danny Fisher


    I'm a Taxi driver in Dublin. Like all the taxi "slaggers" here, I'm all in favour of the free market, market forces, let the market decide, etc., etc. But the thing is..........................? BTW, This guy never got his licence!













    By Ray Managh
    Thursday February 28 2002

    A GROUP of pub barons has joined forces in a bitter legal battle to stop a mini-pub opening in their midst. Judge Jacqueline Linnane was told in the Circuit Licensing Court yesterday that Baggot Street newsagent Eugene Bellew was seeking a drinks licence for a proposed conversion of a former butcher's shop to a pub in Upper Baggot Street.
    His counsel, Ms Constance Cassidy SC, told the court that six major pubs in the immediate neighbourhood Smyths, Searsons, Paddy Flahertys, The Lansdowne Hotel, The Waterloo and The Wellington were objecting on the grounds that another pub in the area was unnecessary and that the premises was unsuitable.
    Ms Cassidy told the court it was her intention to question every objecting publican if their own pubs were fit for the purposes for which they had been licensed.
    She told Judge Linnane she would be calling evidence of extensions having been carried out to the objecting pubs without the necessary court orders and breaches of planning in relation to each and every one of their premises.
    Ms Carol O'Kennedy, counsel for the publicans, objected to the relevance of such evidence being called. She said the court was considering objections in respect of the proposed new pub and not the existing premises of the objectors.
    She added that, if the proposed new licensee felt there were any problems concerning planning relating to the premises of the five objectors, he should raise such matters through the proper planning channels or at the next licence renewal applications relating to the pubs concerned.
    Judge Linnane said the court would be deviating from the application before it if it was going to start investigating alleged unauthorised extensions to other premises.
    Ms Cassidy said she would reserve her right to cross-examine the objectors on these points and would seek the courts permission to call planning evidence, if necessary, at that stage.
    Ms Cassidy, who appeared with Ms Dorothy Collins, told the court the applicant's proposal was to license the ground floor of 11 Upper Baggot Street with a customer capacity of 124 persons.
    She said that, insofar as size was concerned, the proposed new pub would be just a fraction of the size of all of the objecting premises, the biggest being 10 times the size of Dowling's and the nearest in size being about three times bigger.
    Architect Keelan McCloskey told the court he was satisfied the old butcher's shop, which would retain its existing name as Dowling's Pub, was fit to receive a publican's license. It would be developed as a typical old Dublin pub and would be one of the smallest in the city.
    He said Smyths had a capacity to serve 300 customers, the Wellington 360, Paddy Flaherty's 450, the Lansdowne 700, the Waterloo 800 and Searsons 1,200. Taken together on the restrictions of the fire laws they had a total customer capacity of 3,810 as against 124 in Dowling's.
    The hearing is expected to last several days.
    - Ray Managh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    you think you can earn 600 on a saturday....thats the biggest pile of gick ive heard in years....its getting harder by the week...why dont you buy my plate and rent it out, im sure there'll be a que around the block to rent it from you with that kind of bucks to be made......seriously whats yor agenda or are you just an old fashioned liar??????

    No, i said i can nearly double €300 on a Saturday. And i said if i only made €300 on a Saturday i would consider it a bad night.
    If you are going to quote me then quote me properly.
    You're not interested in telling the truth at all. Just misquoting so you can dis people instead. If you put even half the effort into maximizing your car you would make more money from it.

    Have you read what i've said about maximizing your car instead of complaining.

    No, you havent even mentioned it. You are commenting only to discredit anyone who tells the truth. People arent stupid. But if you treat them like they are you are doing us all a disservice.

    What do you do to maximize the money you make from your car?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i know this is mostly about Dublin taxis but I take the point about maximising income. My local railway station (Malloew) has a train in each direction cork to dublin every hour plus locals and the Kerry line and yet yhere is more or less never a taxi sat waiting..I would have thought it a great place to pick up a fare rather than the huge number of taxis parked in Cork City waiting for a fare....i guess this is the sort of thing Martin means?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    TaxiManMartin, well done. :)

    I've been in my share of arguments with other drivers here (and I'm not getting in to one on this thread). It is nice to have someone who seems to have a good strategy making good money. The business card / discount idea is a great one.

    Keep up the good work. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 25 punts for 1


    No, i said i can nearly double €300 on a Saturday. And i said if i only made €300 on a Saturday i would consider it a bad night.
    If you are going to quote me then quote me properly.
    You're not interested in telling the truth at all. Just misquoting so you can dis people instead. If you put even half the effort into maximizing your car you would make more money from it.

    Have you read what i've said about maximizing your car instead of complaining.

    No, you havent even mentioned it. You are commenting only to discredit anyone who tells the truth. People arent stupid. But if you treat them like they are you are doing us all a disservice.




    why don't you enligthen us oh wise one...im not complaining at all, i got another job, i,ve tried every concievable shift over 7 days,i know whats going on in town, offering discounts isn't the answer either, why would people attend the march's by tdfc if they could earn decent money?? too many taxi's not enough work its simple really....your 1 in a million...or 1 in 45### anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    No, i said i can nearly double €300 on a Saturday. And i said if i only made €300 on a Saturday i would consider it a bad night.
    If you are going to quote me then quote me properly.
    You're not interested in telling the truth at all. Just misquoting so you can dis people instead. If you put even half the effort into maximizing your car you would make more money from it.

    Have you read what i've said about maximizing your car instead of complaining.

    No, you havent even mentioned it. You are commenting only to discredit anyone who tells the truth. People arent stupid. But if you treat them like they are you are doing us all a disservice.

    What do you do to maximize the money you make from your car?

    Maybe you can show us all a breakdown of the fares that you take on a Saturday and how you claim you can do so well. Bear in mind that €600 on a Saturday night is €60 an hour for ten hours work and close to 100% occupancy all night long....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 25 punts for 1


    Hamndegger wrote: »
    Maybe you can show us all a breakdown of the fares that you take on a Saturday and how you claim you can do so well. Bear in mind that €600 on a Saturday night is €60 an hour for ten hours work and close to 100% occupancy all night long....



    now don't misquote him ...he said nearly double 300:D:D:D
    best night i had in the last couple of years was halloween 10 hour shift for 400, and i was kept going non stop


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭TaxiManMartin


    now don't misquote him ...he said nearly double 300:D:D:D
    best night i had in the last couple of years was halloween 10 hour shift for 400, and i was kept going non stop

    Not bad but at €4+ for the first Km and then 1.35+ per km after that you should be making more if you are flat out for 10 hours on a Saturday. Do you only drive slowly or something.


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