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MOSNEY should it open up again ?

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    #32
    phasers
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    Tom Dunne wrote: »

    Level it, I say. Make it into a nature reserve, or nudist colony, but not a holiday camp.

    How about a nudist holiday camp?


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    #33
    hshortt
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    I had some day trips there as a kid, and being honest, I thought it was great. Loved the pool with the windows and the various rides. What was that round orange ride, where you were caged in and it rotated at high speed so you couldn't move, then tilted on it's axis for a puke inducing effect.

    Anyway, being older (not always wiser) if it was open now I'd probably hate it, but my own kids would probably enjoy it the way I did.

    I remember those big lollipops shaped like soothers, pacifiers or what-ever you might call them. :)

    Good times.


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    #34
    Tom Dunne
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    phasers wrote: »
    How about a nudist holiday camp?

    That would give new, and rather unfortunate meaning to the phrase Hi-de-hi. :eek:


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    #35
    Biggins
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    Worked in it for two years a long time ago.

    Mosney Holiday Centre PLC was/still is fronted by Phelim McCloskey and his wife (Philomena) who on the face of it own the place. They in fact are the front people for a consortium of business people, some of them Dublin based in particular.

    (At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

    Between the rent they are making from leasing the property out to the state and the further expenses they charge the government, they are currently making a nice tidy profit.
    They are under no pressure to revert the camp back to its previous days of paying holiday residents, Homelands festivals (there was 2 there before it shut down to the public) and other public functions.
    I suspect they are in no hurry to see it reverted either - why should they? They are making a packet of money as it is!

    Should the camp (or a camp anywhere) re-open to the public again? Yes, if only to help further provide a further incentive for Irish and foreigners to come and spend their holiday time/money.
    (As England alone has currently a number of larger/better camps up and running, as an attraction for the British to come to this side of the water is most definitely a non-starter of an idea.)

    Will the camp likely re-open in the future to the public? Sadly, not likely.
    As it looks to be a "Intern'" camp (although the new residents can come and go) for the foreseeable future for years to come and the Irish government is failing to even slow the tide of illegal immigrants (...but thats another issue), the camp as it is now, will probably be the same same and operation in ten years.

    ...which is a damn shame!


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    #36
    Dave!
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    Dunno what you're talkin bout mate, Mosney is as fun as ever


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    #37
    AnonoBoy
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    Biggins wrote: »
    (At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

    6 Billion? Really?

    I know a lad down my way who could run it for half that, no questions asked. ;)


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    #38
    Private Joker
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    Ah the memories

    http://www.butlinsmemories.com/mosney/


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    #39
    mental07
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    hshortt wrote: »
    I had some day trips there as a kid, and being honest, I thought it was great. Loved the pool with the windows and the various rides. What was that round orange ride, where you were caged in and it rotated at high speed so you couldn't move, then tilted on it's axis for a puke inducing effect.
    THE WALL OF DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I always thought the whole window thing in the swimming pool was a bit odd!

    I was there for a few day-trips, all good memories tbh.


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    #40
    RoadKillTs
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    Remember winning a race up there.
    Good times


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    #41
    Nodin
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    Biggins wrote: »
    (At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

    The Budget for the entire department of Health in 2008 was 15.8 Billion. You wouldn't have a source for that figure would you?


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    #42
    Coriolanus
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    Biggins wrote: »
    (At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)
    Linkage to some numbers prz? Best I can turn up is the www.bygonebutlins.com/mosney giving 15m a year.

    Edit: Psh, Nodin in before me.


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    #43
    Saruman
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    Nodin wrote: »
    The Budget for the entire department of Health in 2008 was 15.8 Billion. You wouldn't have a source for that figure would you?

    While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up :D

    Whatever happened to the plans to build a massive amusement park in north Dublin? That would have been the death of mosney. Anyway it would probably cost more money to bring mosney up to code than it would to build a new holiday centre.


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    #44
    Coriolanus
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    Saruman wrote: »
    While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up :D

    Whatever happened to the plans to build a massive amusement park in north Dublin? That would have been the death of mosney. Anyway it would probably cost more money to bring mosney up to code than it would to build a new holiday centre.
    CIA has Irish tax take total for 2008 at 92bm +/- https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html#Econ
    So that expenditure for health sounds about right.


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    #45
    shenanigans1982
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    RoadKillTs wrote: »
    Remember winning a race up there.
    Good times

    Where did you leave from and how tired were you by the time you got there?

    Was never lucky enough to go to Mosney for more than a day trip growing up...always remember having to spend my summers on my own while all my lucky friends were sent on a holiday to this place.

    http://www.svp.ie/About-Us/What-we-do/Holiday-Breaks/Sunshine-House-Dublin.aspx


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    #46
    az2wp0sye65487
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    Wasn't it referred to as 'Mosnia' for a while after it was closed down and used to house asylum seekers?


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    #47
    Nodin
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    Saruman wrote: »
    While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up :D

    .

    And behold......
    http://www.imt.ie/blogs/irish-Medical-Times-Blog/2008/10/health-budget-increased-21-to.html


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    #48
    johnnyrotten
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    NO !


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    #49
    Biggins
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    While the figure I quoted in under contention, it was a figure that was quoted to me on site (to which I have access to) by someone there.
    The figure might indeed be totally wroing and I accept that willingly.
    I however must say that the person that quoted me the figure was management staff and I have found them to be always reliable and honest up to now.
    Again, that stated, I myself accept the figure could be wrong completely till I myself see proper documentation.

    (I'm assume that they are taking into account everything from lease costs, to the over 100 staff, to the heating/utilities, management, social welfare care costs of each resident etc.)

    The total inclusive running costs does seen an extreme high to me as well.
    I'm just going on the faith and honesty of the person that quoted it to me.
    If its even over the one billion mark, serious questions need to be asked somewhere to be honest.


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    #50
    Biggins
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    Francisco Disgusting Backward wrote: »
    Wasn't it referred to as 'Mosnia' for a while after it was closed down and used to house asylum seekers?

    Still is but thats a subject best left untouched as it brings in other aspects of the camp.


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    #51
    xzanti
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    I'd probably go for a day for the craic but definately not a week, that would be torture..


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    #52
    iregk
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    oh sweet jesus no. The over-riding memory for everyone I think as far as Mosney is concerned is walking past the swimming pool and see a wall of arses where the side of it was glass...

    As for Claralara. I'm from 2 miles up the road from it and can confirm that while the owner was arrested over the whole child porn issue it has infact changed hands and is still open.


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    #53
    Biggins
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    Speaking of camps, I've never been to Trabolgan camp down south (if it can be called that, "camp") but was told it could be expensive at times. (What isn't these days anyway!)
    Is a trip to Trabolgan worth it these days and do they operate still?


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    #54
    Saruman
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    My sister went to Trabolgan a few weeks back so its still open much to my surprise.


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    #55
    Nodin
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    iregk wrote: »
    oh sweet jesus no. The over-riding memory for everyone I think as far as Mosney is concerned is walking past the swimming pool and see a wall of arses where the side of it was glass...

    The front window of the old Buffalo Bills chipper (now dominoes pizza) beside the Rathmines Inn used be like that of a Friday or Saturday the odd time at pub closing...


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    #56
    Notorious
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    legendal wrote: »
    Eh, Clara Lara's still open. Or at least it was last summer anyway, well after that whole "unpleasantness" emerged.
    http://www.claralara.com/index.htm

    Yeah, they definitely re-opened it. Think it did shut for a while though, with the owner being involved in whatever buggery he got up to.

    My kid sisters are going there for their school tour... I can only presume the nonce is gone?

    EDIT:
    iregk wrote:
    I'm from 2 miles up the road from it and can confirm that while the owner was arrested over the whole child porn issue it has infact changed hands and is still open.


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    #57
    m@cc@
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    Private Joker wrote: »
    Ah the memories

    http://www.butlinsmemories.com/mosney/

    Upon opening, The Catholic Standard newspaper stated that: "Holiday camps are an English idea and are alien and undesirable in an Irish Catholic country . . . outside influences are bad and dangerous." Billy Butlin built a Catholic Church to placate the hierarchy.

    Ah, the memories. When people actually listened to the church.
    iregk wrote: »
    oh sweet jesus no. The over-riding memory for everyone I think as far as Mosney is concerned is walking past the swimming pool and see a wall of arses where the side of it was glass...

    :D:D I think everyone who visited the restaurant had that experience. Why they thought to place the window adjacent to where people eat...


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    #58
    seanybiker
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    legendal wrote: »
    Eh, Clara Lara's still open. Or at least it was last summer anyway, well after that whole "unpleasantness" emerged.
    http://www.claralara.com/index.htm
    Deadly. I wonder would they leave me in. Last time I went there I was running around in me socks. Was in bits walking upto the water slide.


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    #59
    Quazzie
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Speaking of camps, I've never been to Trabolgan camp down south (if it can be called that, "camp") but was told it could be expensive at times. (What isn't these days anyway!)
    Is a trip to Trabolgan worth it these days and do they operate still?
    6billion???? Yer 'avin a laugh mate!

    115.38million a week? I'd seriously question that figure Biggins. I'm actually shocked you quoted such a ludicrous figure tbh. It aint like ya Biggins.


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    #60
    midlandsmissus
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    Mosney was class.

    I've never had thrills or excitement like it:

    Will I get out of it alive this time, will I not.

    Does anyone remember the swimming pool which had a chute. Now in these chutes you are normally meant to slide down through it on a waist hight flume of water.

    In Mosney the water completely covered your head the whole way down the slide so you couldnt breathe.

    You then came out of the bottom of the chute into a pitch black underground basement area, where the water was really cold and slimy and there were pipes dangling everyehere and you had to swing yourself across on ropes.

    I wonder was that meant to happen or was there just a hole in the slide

    Good times.

    They make theme parks to easy these days...no life or death battle.


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    #61
    Biggins
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    Quazzie wrote: »
    6billion???? Yer 'avin a laugh mate!

    115.38million a week? I'd seriously question that figure Biggins. I'm actually shocked you quoted such a ludicrous figure tbh. It aint like ya Biggins.

    As you might see above, I question it above myself seriously.
    I threw it out there in hope someone might explain it as quoted to me.

    I find it incredulous myself.


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