MOSNEY should it open up again ?

pebbles21

Had the privlige of visiting Mosney holiday center today (long story why)and it got me thinking would the public of today go back to taking their annual holidays here again or did this place just run its course?

From the second we drove into the main front area where you see the chalets and the big building where the pool and Dan Lowrys pub was, it kind of gave me a little butterfly tingle as i used to years ago when id go with my family when i was a kid

Everything was all there and brought back all the memories of all the holidays i had there in 70s and 80s ,so if the current residents were allocated alternative accommodation, and the place got a major renovation ,would you think it would be a viable and a entertaining holiday now in these post celtic tiger times?

Senna

Would a week in Mosney cost less than a week in spain? when you factor in the cheap food and drink in spain, it probably wouldn't be.

bcmf

never ever ever never ever.

seanybiker

Was never there before. Didnt know it was still a ghetto.

Karoma

seanybiker wrote: »

Was never there before. Didnt know it was still a ghetto.

I believe the politically correct term is 'concentration camp' thank you.


OP: No, it'll be boring and deadening to the target audience...so it'll be just like old times.

AnonoBoy

Even in the 80's when my folks had no money they still didn't subject us to the tedium of a week in Mosney.

Jaysus.

pebbles21

seanybiker wrote: »

Was never there before. Didnt know it was still a ghetto.

more like a concentration camp you mean

FearDark

Trabolgan FTW :pac:

mikemac

Salthill in Galway is where it's at!

doonothing

Please reopen it

Guy:Incognito

Karoma wrote: »

I believe the politically correct term is 'concentration camp' thank you.
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We dont seem to have hit on the low cost model that Hitler went for though. Might pop off a few refernce books to the relevant government departments to get the ball rolling.

stepbar

They should make it a tax haven for developers and the like. The Republic of Mosney has a nice ring to it.

M5

NO

seanybiker

clara lara ruled. The owner of the place loved me.

witnessmenow

seanybiker wrote: »

clara lara ruled. The owner of the place loved me.

Inappropriately?

Caoimhín

seanybiker wrote: »

clara lara ruled. The owner of the place loved me.

I fcuking bet he loved you Seany, the man-boy kind of love.

Mosney? What a sack of shít. Turn it into a prison I say.

xOxSinéadxOx

clara lara was amazing. ooh I loved everything, especially that rope where you swing out over the water. the treehouse was brilliant! and the waterslide I wish I was small again

Coriolanus

You're all talking in the past tense, is ClaraLara clsed? :mad:

Best times ever there, being abandoned on one of the islands when I was too young/much of a bitch to swim to shore, capsizing rowboats and getting an earful from the staff etc.

Yakult

Went to mosney once when I was like 5, not a minute in, I fell and split my leg open. and hour later my brother flung a big stone and it hit my head. Never liked mosney after that. Claralara tho was brilliant. Is it still even opened??

Caoimhín

Nevore wrote: »

You're all talking in the past tense, is ClaraLara clsed? :mad:

Best times ever there, being abandoned on one of the islands when I was too young/much of a bitch to swim to shore, capsizing rowboats and getting an earful from the staff etc.

Eh, yes it is closed.

The owner was involved in some unpleasantness, something to do with the internet, kids and pictures.

Coriolanus

Caoimhín wrote: »

Eh, yes it is closed.

The owner was involved in some unpleasantness, something to do with the internet, kids and pictures.

Lawl. How'd I miss that?!
Ah well, doesn't take away from the memories imo. Shame someone didn't take it on though.

Caoimhín

Nevore wrote: »

Lawl. How'd I miss that?!
Ah well, doesn't take away from the memories imo. Shame someone didn't take it on though.

It happened around the same time as that Judge Curtin in Cork was nabbed, i think that took some of the heat away.

super_furry

Caoimhín wrote: »

Eh, yes it is closed.

The owner was involved in some unpleasantness, something to do with the internet, kids and pictures.

Sounds like the start of a dodgy horror film. A group of 30-somethings pretending to be teenagers get lost and end up spending the night there.

Sofiztikated

Clara Lara was freaking awesome, all those places to get wet and mucky, and cameras everywhere. I felt like such a star. Especially in the changing roo.... oh.

Anyone know any good counsellors?

Dancor

seanybiker wrote: »

clara lara ruled. The owner of the place loved me.

True story: That guy actually grabbed a hold of me for messing around and mocking his English accent, he threatened to throw us out too. Then a few years later he is on the news for downloading kiddie images ''shudders''

Degsy

Stekelly wrote: »

We dont seem to have hit on the low cost model that Hitler went for though. Might pop off a few refernce books to the relevant government departments to get the ball rolling.

Well,unlike hitler's camps,if the "inmates" dont like it they can fcuck off home.

dos30

I'd love if it was reopened, I lived and worked there for a summer when I was 17 back in 2000.
Got £80, food and accommodation for a 40 hour week and drank every penny of it, Best summer ever.:D

phasers

Trabolgan FTW, me and my brothers broke so much stuff there...

dlambirl

Was there a couple of times for days out and for Community Games, it was great craic but thats cos you were staying away from home with friends in your own wee chalet.
Could never imagine staying in it for a week on "proper" holidays :eek: and that was when i was 8 so could i imagine going now..........no!!!

legendal

Eh, Clara Lara's still open. Or at least it was last summer anyway, well after that whole "unpleasantness" emerged.
http://www.claralara.com/index.htm

Tom Dunne

dos30 wrote: »

I'd love if it was reopened, I lived and worked there for a summer when I was 17 back in 2000.
Got £80, food and accommodation for a 40 hour week and drank every penny of it, Best summer ever.:D

Same here, except a few years earlier. Best Summer ever, considering it was the greatest hovel on this planet. Plus it seemed to attract a certain type of clientèle, who, shall we say, were perhaps not the classiest.

Level it, I say. Make it into a nature reserve, or nudist colony, but not a holiday camp.

phasers

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Level it, I say. Make it into a nature reserve, or nudist colony, but not a holiday camp.

How about a nudist holiday camp?

hshortt

I had some day trips there as a kid, and being honest, I thought it was great. Loved the pool with the windows and the various rides. What was that round orange ride, where you were caged in and it rotated at high speed so you couldn't move, then tilted on it's axis for a puke inducing effect.

Anyway, being older (not always wiser) if it was open now I'd probably hate it, but my own kids would probably enjoy it the way I did.

I remember those big lollipops shaped like soothers, pacifiers or what-ever you might call them.

Good times.

Tom Dunne

phasers wrote: »

How about a nudist holiday camp?

That would give new, and rather unfortunate meaning to the phrase Hi-de-hi. :eek:

Biggins

Worked in it for two years a long time ago.

Mosney Holiday Centre PLC was/still is fronted by Phelim McCloskey and his wife (Philomena) who on the face of it own the place. They in fact are the front people for a consortium of business people, some of them Dublin based in particular.

(At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

Between the rent they are making from leasing the property out to the state and the further expenses they charge the government, they are currently making a nice tidy profit.
They are under no pressure to revert the camp back to its previous days of paying holiday residents, Homelands festivals (there was 2 there before it shut down to the public) and other public functions.
I suspect they are in no hurry to see it reverted either - why should they? They are making a packet of money as it is!

Should the camp (or a camp anywhere) re-open to the public again? Yes, if only to help further provide a further incentive for Irish and foreigners to come and spend their holiday time/money.
(As England alone has currently a number of larger/better camps up and running, as an attraction for the British to come to this side of the water is most definitely a non-starter of an idea.)

Will the camp likely re-open in the future to the public? Sadly, not likely.
As it looks to be a "Intern'" camp (although the new residents can come and go) for the foreseeable future for years to come and the Irish government is failing to even slow the tide of illegal immigrants (...but thats another issue), the camp as it is now, will probably be the same same and operation in ten years.

...which is a damn shame!

Dave!

Dunno what you're talkin bout mate, Mosney is as fun as ever

AnonoBoy

Biggins wrote: »

(At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

6 Billion? Really?

I know a lad down my way who could run it for half that, no questions asked.

Private Joker

Ah the memories

http://www.butlinsmemories.com/mosney/

mental07

hshortt wrote: »

I had some day trips there as a kid, and being honest, I thought it was great. Loved the pool with the windows and the various rides. What was that round orange ride, where you were caged in and it rotated at high speed so you couldn't move, then tilted on it's axis for a puke inducing effect.

THE WALL OF DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I always thought the whole window thing in the swimming pool was a bit odd!

I was there for a few day-trips, all good memories tbh.

RoadKillTs

Remember winning a race up there.
Good times

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

(At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

The Budget for the entire department of Health in 2008 was 15.8 Billion. You wouldn't have a source for that figure would you?

Coriolanus

Biggins wrote: »

(At present its costing the Irish government over 6 billion approx a year to keep this camp open.)

Linkage to some numbers prz? Best I can turn up is the www.bygonebutlins.com/mosney giving 15m a year.

Edit: Psh, Nodin in before me.

Saruman

Nodin wrote: »

The Budget for the entire department of Health in 2008 was 15.8 Billion. You wouldn't have a source for that figure would you?

While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up

Whatever happened to the plans to build a massive amusement park in north Dublin? That would have been the death of mosney. Anyway it would probably cost more money to bring mosney up to code than it would to build a new holiday centre.

Coriolanus

Saruman wrote: »

While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up

Whatever happened to the plans to build a massive amusement park in north Dublin? That would have been the death of mosney. Anyway it would probably cost more money to bring mosney up to code than it would to build a new holiday centre.

CIA has Irish tax take total for 2008 at 92bm +/- https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html#Econ
So that expenditure for health sounds about right.

shenanigans1982

RoadKillTs wrote: »

Remember winning a race up there.
Good times

Where did you leave from and how tired were you by the time you got there?

Was never lucky enough to go to Mosney for more than a day trip growing up...always remember having to spend my summers on my own while all my lucky friends were sent on a holiday to this place.

http://www.svp.ie/About-Us/What-we-do/Holiday-Breaks/Sunshine-House-Dublin.aspx

az2wp0sye65487

Wasn't it referred to as 'Mosnia' for a while after it was closed down and used to house asylum seekers?

Nodin

Saruman wrote: »

While im sure you are correct, you should probably post your source for your figure to avoid accusations of you making it up

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And behold......
http://www.imt.ie/blogs/irish-Medical-Times-Blog/2008/10/health-budget-increased-21-to.html

johnnyrotten

NO !

Biggins

While the figure I quoted in under contention, it was a figure that was quoted to me on site (to which I have access to) by someone there.
The figure might indeed be totally wroing and I accept that willingly.
I however must say that the person that quoted me the figure was management staff and I have found them to be always reliable and honest up to now.
Again, that stated, I myself accept the figure could be wrong completely till I myself see proper documentation.

(I'm assume that they are taking into account everything from lease costs, to the over 100 staff, to the heating/utilities, management, social welfare care costs of each resident etc.)

The total inclusive running costs does seen an extreme high to me as well.
I'm just going on the faith and honesty of the person that quoted it to me.
If its even over the one billion mark, serious questions need to be asked somewhere to be honest.

Biggins

Francisco Disgusting Backward wrote: »

Wasn't it referred to as 'Mosnia' for a while after it was closed down and used to house asylum seekers?

Still is but thats a subject best left untouched as it brings in other aspects of the camp.

xzanti

I'd probably go for a day for the craic but definately not a week, that would be torture..