Racing Post Money Printing Thread - Mod note post 1572

Golfing

POINTBREAK wrote: »

230.9 Points? Have you got a source for that?

Why did you want a correction made?

Yes, the figure is verifiable.

I want a correction made, because your facts were wrong!

Just trying to be helpful.

POINTBREAK

Golfing wrote: »

Yes, the figure is verifiable.

I want a correction made, because your facts were wrong!

Just trying to be helpful.

Link to the 230 points please.

The strike rate you corrected for me isn't 12%.........its 10.84% if you want an exact figure+ I don't update that every day.

The loss at the start of the day at SP was -12 so a 2.5point profit makes it 9.5 not 10.5.

The loss at advised price of 3/1 was a 3 point profit = -9. (I know it was advised at 0/30 but only one bookie from the 15 that I use was showing that price so I ignored it.}

What else?

mike65

I see the RP is opening an office here and is launching an Irish edition.

New jobs from Racing Post Irish move

The Racing Post has said it will create up to 25 jobs with the launch of an Irish edition of the daily racing and sports betting paper.

The company says the Irish Racing Post will combine the UK edition with additional content for Irish readers only. The Irish edition - in which it is investing €2m - will also carry separate weekly supplements covering bloodstock, point-to-pointing and GAA.

The Racing Post group of companies has been Irish-owned since October 2007, when it was bought by a group of investors in a deal led by Peter Crowley and Neill Hughes of FL Partners and chief executive Alan Byrne.

The new paper will be headed by managing director Anthony Brady and editor Jonathan Mullin, who will join the paper from RTE where he has been the Gaelic Games Correspondent.

POINTBREAK

mike65 wrote: »

I see the RP is opening an office here and is launching an Irish edition.

I read somewhere that they have a staff of 230 in the UK...... I have no idea what they all do. A good Irish Pricewise would be good...... I wonder if Tom has a brother.

Nulty

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I read somewhere that they have a staff of 230 in the UK...... I have no idea what they all do. A good Irish Pricewise would be good...... I wonder if Tom has a brother.

An illigitimate one:pac::pac::pac:

Golfing

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Link to the 230 points please.

The strike rate you corrected for me isn't 12%.........its 10.84% if you want an exact figure+ I don't update that every day.

The loss at the start of the day at SP was -12 so a 2.5point profit makes it 9.5 not 10.5.

The loss at advised price of 3/1 was a 3 point profit = -9. (I know it was advised at 0/30 but only one bookie from the 15 that I use was showing that price so I ignored it.}

What else?

Lol, im not going to hold your hand and update your chart daily. The loss at the start of the day was wrong as well.......Im not too bothered, just thought it would be nice for all members to have the correct results. But if you dont want them to then thats fine by me.

Golfing

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I read somewhere that they have a staff of 230 in the UK...... I have no idea what they all do. A good Irish Pricewise would be good...... I wonder if Tom has a brother.

Thats a bit harsh, they produce a daily newspaper along with any number of other publications. They also run a wesbite.

PW and PWE are such a small part of their offerings.....

POINTBREAK

Golfing wrote: »

Lol, im not going to hold your hand and update your chart daily. The loss at the start of the day was wrong as well.......Im not too bothered, just thought it would be nice for all members to have the correct results. But if you dont want them to then thats fine by me.

Sorry Golfy,

• I have asked you to provide proof that PWE made a profit of the 230 points you claim PWE has made twice, and you haven't provided it.

• You exaggerated their strike rate of 10.84 up to 12.
• You led the cheering on the one winner this month, when everyone else was saying about time. One winner from 17 RP tips this month !
• You then chastise me for wondering what the large of Racing Post Staff all do.

• On your first post here you tried to get everyone to bet on a Golfer so you could lay it back.

So really you don't have any credibility and there is at least a hint of suspicion that you work for RP since you are making unsubstantiated claims on their behalf and are trying to disrupt the thread.
Thanks but no thanks.

POINTBREAK

Its Mel today. Has anyone checked the most layed list?

essexman

Poor old Mel. Their main clients fav. tipster. 230 staff, 230 profit. weird.

Golfing

19-Feb-09 Top Mark (GB) Pricewise 1pt win 3-1 Generally WS 11/4F 3/1 21-Feb-09 Black Apalachi Pricewise 1 point win at 6/1 WS 11/4 6/1 22-Feb-09 An Cathaoir Mor Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 2/1F 3/1 23-Feb-09 Valentia Island Pricewise 1 point win WS 7/2F 7/2 23-Feb-09 Pop Pricewise 1pt @5/1 WS 7/2 5/1 27-Feb-09 Very Cool (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 11/4F 100/30 02-Mar-09 Dubai Storming (GB) Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/4J 5/2 04-Mar-09 Chjimes Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/8F 6/4 05-Mar-09 Saphire Night (GB) Pricewise 10-1 Hills 9-1 VC Bet, Boyles or Tote WS 4/1 10/1 09-Mar-09 Green Belt Elite Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/4F 4/1 15-Mar-09 Bella Mana Mou Pricewise
WS 12/1 16/1 16-Mar-09 Cava Bien (GB) Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 9/2 5/2 22-Mar-09 Three Rocks Pricewise
WS 6/1 11/2 29-Mar-09 Tastahil Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 6/4F 11/4 29-Mar-09 Maoineach Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 7/2 11/2 06-Apr-09 Annibale Caro (GB) Pricewise 1pt win @ 5-1 Paddy Power/Sportingbet WS 6/1 5/1 11-Apr-09 Bar The Rest Pricewise 1pt win WS 4/1 7/1 16-Apr-09 Tazeez Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/4 9/2 18-Apr-09 Noble Alan Pricewise 1 pt win WS 17/2 10/1 20-Apr-09 Dover's Hill (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win EWS 6/1 11/1 23-Apr-09 Topolski Pricewise 1pt win WS 8/1 11/2 25-Apr-09 Alsadaa Pricewise 1pt win WS 13/2 8/1 26-Apr-09 Cihangir Pricewise 1 pt win WS 8/1 14/1 27-Apr-09 Raucous Pricewise 1 pt Win WS 7/4F
28-Apr-09 Postman (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/4F 9/2 30-Apr-09 Segal Pricewise 1pt win WS 13/2 8/1 06-May-09 Star Rover Pricewise 1 pt win WS 13/2 5/1 07-May-09 Cossack Prince (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 5/2 11/2 09-May-09 Tyrannosaurus Rex Pricewise 1pt Win WS 100/30F 6/1 09-May-09 Judgethemoment Pricewise 1pt Win WS 6/1 8/1 10-May-09 Eagle's Pass Pricewise 1 point win WS 6/1J 10/1 11-May-09 KINGSMAIDEN Pricewise 1 pt win WS 13/2 6/1 12-May-09 Coral Shores (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2F 11/2 22-May-09 Theocritus Pricewise 2pt Win WS 5/2 5/2 28-May-09 Cima De Triomphe Pricewise 1pt Win WS 4/1 8/1 01-Jun-09 Gloucester (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/4F 9/2 02-Jun-09 Mons Calpe Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/2 7/1 07-Jun-09 The Last Hurrah (IRE) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 5/1J 10/1 08-Jun-09 Captain Carey (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2 7/2 08-Jun-09 Tank Buster (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 4/1F 6/1 12-Jun-09 Nemo Spirit Pricewise 1pt Win WS 8/1 12/1 12-Jun-09 Yirga (GB) Pricewise 2pt Win WS 6/1 7/1 14-Jun-09 Grace O'Malley (IRE) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 15/2 16/1 14-Jun-09 Markington (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 8/1 4/1 15-Jun-09 Coral Shores (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 3/1F 4/1 16-Jun-09 First Point (GER) Pricewise 2 pt win WS 5/2F 3/1 23-Jun-09 Venir Rouge (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2 8/1 27-Jun-09 Tamagin Pricewise 1pt Win WS 8/1 9/1 03-Jul-09 Alanbrooke (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 100/30 100/30 04-Jul-09 Quai D'Orsay (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 5/1 9/1 05-Jul-09 Takendo (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 6/4F 6/4 12-Jul-09 Just For Mary (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/1 20/1 14-Jul-09 Danehillsundance Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/4F 5/1 16-Jul-09 Raise Your Heart Pricewise 2pts Win WS 3/1F 7/1 19-Jul-09 Signore Momento Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/2 9/2 23-Jul-09 Mudaaraah (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 7/1 13/2 26-Jul-09 Invincible Force Pricewise 1pt Win WS 13/2 10/1 01-Aug-09 Hillview Boy Pricewise 1pt Win WS 6/1 15/2 05-Aug-09 Fanunalter (GB) Pricewise 2pt win WS 12/1 12/1 07-Aug-09 Clarietta (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/4F 11/4 10-Aug-09 Realt Na Mara Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1 9/2 12-Aug-09 Drunken Sailor Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1 6/1 16-Aug-09 Triple Dream (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1F 6/1 23-Aug-09 Morocchius Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/2F 12/1 30-Aug-09 Poet (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 7/1 14/1 31-Aug-09 Jawaab Pricewise 1pt win WS 7/2 5/1

Golfing

Every winner from inception to August 2009.

I have all the others since, but thought it best not to clog up the forum.

Trying to be helpful, there is no link pointbreak thats why I didnt post one.

Fact is fact and my results are correct.

If you dont like PW and PWE why dont you go suck up to "your man" semipro.

This is meant to be a nice forum not a witch hunt. I tried to give something back to the forum with golf tips, boths of which traded low so you could easily make money. I hope everyone did.

As for cheering a winner, thats what the forum is for, plus I wanted to inject some positive vibes into the thread because crying every day there is a loser isnt helping. I understand the current form is bad, very bad compared with the initial results from 2009 - but you must remember it is a LONG TERM strategy.

PRICEwise is the important thing. Pointbreak I dont think your cut out for this betting lark if you dont have a long term strategy and love to attack everyone and everything.

I would like to see you create a better newspaper and website than the RP......no, didnt think you could.

So please, for the sake of everyone drop it. This is meant to be a nice place. If you dont want to act like an adult and be nice then dont post.

Next time your table is wrong I wont bother corrrecting it. Even after the winner your chart showed wins as "0", so just at least be fair and get the correct number of wins. Even if you dont record prices properly you could at least acknowledge a winner!

Rant over, draw a line under your childish behaviour and I too am sorry.

I only mean to be helpful.

POINTBREAK

That is funny.....You post up 50 or 60 winners from Pricewise Extra and no losers. I suppose the next thing is you will be claiming you don't work for the Racing Post?

candlegrease

Golfing wrote: »

19-Feb-09 Top Mark (GB) Pricewise 1pt win 3-1 Generally WS 11/4F 3/1 21-Feb-09 Black Apalachi Pricewise 1 point win at 6/1 WS 11/4 6/1 22-Feb-09 An Cathaoir Mor Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 2/1F 3/1 23-Feb-09 Valentia Island Pricewise 1 point win WS 7/2F 7/2 23-Feb-09 Pop Pricewise 1pt @5/1 WS 7/2 5/1 27-Feb-09 Very Cool (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 11/4F 100/30 02-Mar-09 Dubai Storming (GB) Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/4J 5/2 04-Mar-09 Chjimes Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/8F 6/4 05-Mar-09 Saphire Night (GB) Pricewise 10-1 Hills 9-1 VC Bet, Boyles or Tote WS 4/1 10/1 09-Mar-09 Green Belt Elite Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 11/4F 4/1 15-Mar-09 Bella Mana Mou Pricewise
WS 12/1 16/1 16-Mar-09 Cava Bien (GB) Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 9/2 5/2 22-Mar-09 Three Rocks Pricewise
WS 6/1 11/2 29-Mar-09 Tastahil Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 6/4F 11/4 29-Mar-09 Maoineach Pricewise 1 Point Win WS 7/2 11/2 06-Apr-09 Annibale Caro (GB) Pricewise 1pt win @ 5-1 Paddy Power/Sportingbet WS 6/1 5/1 11-Apr-09 Bar The Rest Pricewise 1pt win WS 4/1 7/1 16-Apr-09 Tazeez Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/4 9/2 18-Apr-09 Noble Alan Pricewise 1 pt win WS 17/2 10/1 20-Apr-09 Dover's Hill (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win EWS 6/1 11/1 23-Apr-09 Topolski Pricewise 1pt win WS 8/1 11/2 25-Apr-09 Alsadaa Pricewise 1pt win WS 13/2 8/1 26-Apr-09 Cihangir Pricewise 1 pt win WS 8/1 14/1 27-Apr-09 Raucous Pricewise 1 pt Win WS 7/4F
28-Apr-09 Postman (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/4F 9/2 30-Apr-09 Segal Pricewise 1pt win WS 13/2 8/1 06-May-09 Star Rover Pricewise 1 pt win WS 13/2 5/1 07-May-09 Cossack Prince (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 5/2 11/2 09-May-09 Tyrannosaurus Rex Pricewise 1pt Win WS 100/30F 6/1 09-May-09 Judgethemoment Pricewise 1pt Win WS 6/1 8/1 10-May-09 Eagle's Pass Pricewise 1 point win WS 6/1J 10/1 11-May-09 KINGSMAIDEN Pricewise 1 pt win WS 13/2 6/1 12-May-09 Coral Shores (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2F 11/2 22-May-09 Theocritus Pricewise 2pt Win WS 5/2 5/2 28-May-09 Cima De Triomphe Pricewise 1pt Win WS 4/1 8/1 01-Jun-09 Gloucester (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/4F 9/2 02-Jun-09 Mons Calpe Pricewise 1 pt win WS 11/2 7/1 07-Jun-09 The Last Hurrah (IRE) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 5/1J 10/1 08-Jun-09 Captain Carey (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2 7/2 08-Jun-09 Tank Buster (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 4/1F 6/1 12-Jun-09 Nemo Spirit Pricewise 1pt Win WS 8/1 12/1 12-Jun-09 Yirga (GB) Pricewise 2pt Win WS 6/1 7/1 14-Jun-09 Grace O'Malley (IRE) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 15/2 16/1 14-Jun-09 Markington (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 8/1 4/1 15-Jun-09 Coral Shores (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 3/1F 4/1 16-Jun-09 First Point (GER) Pricewise 2 pt win WS 5/2F 3/1 23-Jun-09 Venir Rouge (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 7/2 8/1 27-Jun-09 Tamagin Pricewise 1pt Win WS 8/1 9/1 03-Jul-09 Alanbrooke (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 100/30 100/30 04-Jul-09 Quai D'Orsay (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 5/1 9/1 05-Jul-09 Takendo (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 6/4F 6/4 12-Jul-09 Just For Mary (GB) Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/1 20/1 14-Jul-09 Danehillsundance Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/4F 5/1 16-Jul-09 Raise Your Heart Pricewise 2pts Win WS 3/1F 7/1 19-Jul-09 Signore Momento Pricewise 1 pt win WS 9/2 9/2 23-Jul-09 Mudaaraah (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 7/1 13/2 26-Jul-09 Invincible Force Pricewise 1pt Win WS 13/2 10/1 01-Aug-09 Hillview Boy Pricewise 1pt Win WS 6/1 15/2 05-Aug-09 Fanunalter (GB) Pricewise 2pt win WS 12/1 12/1 07-Aug-09 Clarietta (GB) Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/4F 11/4 10-Aug-09 Realt Na Mara Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1 9/2 12-Aug-09 Drunken Sailor Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1 6/1 16-Aug-09 Triple Dream (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 5/1F 6/1 23-Aug-09 Morocchius Pricewise 1pt Win WS 9/2F 12/1 30-Aug-09 Poet (GB) Pricewise 1pt win WS 7/1 14/1 31-Aug-09 Jawaab Pricewise 1pt win WS 7/2 5/1

Posting one side of the story. Fail.

I have figures proving PWE has made a loss at SP since September 1 2009 and will post them up if necessary.

Golfing

Month
No of
Bets
Total points
Staked
Successful
bets
Month
Profit / Loss
Strike
Rate ROI
February 22 24 6 6.83 27.27% 28.46%
March 59 64 11 10.05 18.64% 15.70%
April 52 62 12 35.20 23.08% 56.77%
May 57 68 13 10.25 22.81% 15.07%
June 54 59 13 60.00 24.07% 101.69%
July 55 63 10 26.83 18.18% 42.59%
August 54 62 10 31.36 18.52% 50.58%
September 49 50 8 18.00 16.33% 36.00%
October 43 50 11 53 25.58% 106%
November 41 42 5 -6 12.20% -14.29%
December 38 42 3 -7 7.89% -16.67%
January 35 36 6 8.05 17.14% 22.36%
Total 559 622 108 246.57 19.32% 39.64%

Edit: sorry the chart is slightly messed. But you get the full picture.

Since September I agree PWE is down at SP. However, at advised prices it is well up.

pizzor

where you got them statistics from?

Golfing

Pizzor, these stats are verified by the SBC.

pizzor

sorry SBC is the??

fintonie

pizzor wrote: »

sorry SBC is the??

Sunday brunch club of course

Golfing

www.secretbettingclub.com

and www.moneymakerreview.com

Very highly regarded proofing company who run the proofing website

www.racingproofing.com

POINTBREAK

Golfing wrote: »

www.secretbettingclub.com

and www.moneymakerreview.com

Very highly regarded proofing company who run the proofing website

www.racingproofing.com

3 Websites that look suspiciously like they are in the same ownership.

POINTBREAK

Mels tip beaten today again.......... thats me being negative.

Golfing

POINTBREAK wrote: »

3 Websites that look suspiciously like they are in the same ownership.

Yes, thats the point. The SBC are the magazine producers who run MMR and the proofing website to substantiate tipsters claims.

POINTBREAK

Wednesday::::Febuary PRICEWISE EXTRA
Monday - Friday 9W 75L.........>10% Strike Rate!
10 Losers
1 Winners
Andrew Barr 1-4 SEQ 30132020/120000F0210/00001
Mel Collier 0-4 (2 Wins from last 43 bets)
Matt Williams 0-1
James Pyman 0-0
Profit at advised Stakes ............-10
Profit at SP................................-10.5
Jan Profit/Loss @SP..................Minus 5.88
Dec Profit/Loss @SP .................Minus -21
NOV Profit/Loss@SP .................Minus -13
OCT Profit/Loss @SP ................Plus +28.5
SEPT Profit/Loss@SP ................Minus - 1.5* incl Segal PWE
AUG Profit/Loss@SP .................Plus +26.5* incl Segal
MvP1 2-6-8 +1.5
MvP2 0-0-0 +0
Present Seq -- 0/10/34/0/01/00/23/F/32/00/1/0/
Mvp1 Se- ----1/34/22/n/nn/0n/xx/X/n0/n1/n/n/

slothrop

Measles Mumps and Rubella?

essexman

Golfing, were you able to separate out Tom Segals contribution to PWE from its inception up until Pointbreak started to do it. If it has made a profit from Feb last year till Sept thats great, but how much of that was Segals contribution. If you can help with that it would be a real contribution. Pontbreak might make the odd mistake but the trend is clear and we've been able to follow it live more to the point.

candlegrease

Golfing wrote: »

Month
No of
Bets
Total points
Staked
Successful
bets
Month
Profit / Loss
Strike
Rate ROI
February 22 24 6 6.83 27.27% 28.46%
March 59 64 11 10.05 18.64% 15.70%
April 52 62 12 35.20 23.08% 56.77%
May 57 68 13 10.25 22.81% 15.07%
June 54 59 13 60.00 24.07% 101.69%
July 55 63 10 26.83 18.18% 42.59%
August 54 62 10 31.36 18.52% 50.58%
September 49 50 8 18.00 16.33% 36.00%
October 43 50 11 53 25.58% 106%
November 41 42 5 -6 12.20% -14.29%
December 38 42 3 -7 7.89% -16.67%
January 35 36 6 8.05 17.14% 22.36%
Total 559 622 108 246.57 19.32% 39.64%

Edit: sorry the chart is slightly messed. But you get the full picture.

Since September I agree PWE is down at SP. However, at advised prices it is well up.

Advised Prices aren't realistically available.

POINTBREAK

essexman wrote: »

Golfing, were you able to separate out Tom Segals contribution to PWE from its inception up until Pointbreak started to do it. If it has made a profit from Feb last year till Sept thats great, but how much of that was Segals contribution. If you can help with that it would be a real contribution. Pontbreak might make the odd mistake but the trend is clear and we've been able to follow it live more to the point.

There is the odd mistake, usually when I dont get the info that a horse is a 2 pointer or it was advised ew. I am quite happy to correct mistakes and have alway done when they have been pointed out by regulars.
I think my record has saved people including myself a fair bit of money.

Golfing

essexman, I could work out results by day of the week and come up with a profit and loss. Having done a quick calculation I can confirm Segal is the standout tipser with Barr making a healthy profit too. Fridays are not too bad, and show a small profit, but Wednesday and Thursday are loss leaders - big time.

candlegrease, advised prices may not be available to forum readers no, but more often than not you can beat the SP! Take Segals Irish tips, a typical 20/1 advised may be 12/1 for the forum but have an SP of 8/1.......common sense you take the best odds you can. I go on facts of SP and advised prices, I cant tell you what would be if you took every price in between - that would be ****ing stupid.

I do agree pointbreak "your methods" to do with drifters and which tipsters to follow do save people money - so well done on that. Do you tip yourself?

bobbybigt

Hello guys,

Firstly - great thread, I've been reading it with interest for the past couple of months, was certainly very handy when I wasn't a subscriber to PWE.

I've been backing PWE since April 2009 and since then I am 143.91 pts in profit - I usually get advised price 75% of the time so not a too shabby profit. Although the last couple of months have not been great, but that's the way it goes I guess. I've stopped backing Mel C's tips (he should go back to the spice girls) thanks to the stats on this thread.

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks for all the stats and don't get too down-hearted about the run at the moment, I'm sure it will turn around.