Season 3 finale "An Invisible Thread" (SPOILERS)

Richard Dower

Setting things up for tomorrow morning
Hopefully we'll get a good one, and that they do PERMANENTLY kill off a major character and NOT bring them back next season :mad:

I suspect though the freezer girl/Ali Larter will come back :rolleyes: , she'll pull a Terminator 2 trick and all her frozen bits will melt and reform :rolleyes:

Who bets they swept up all her bits and put them into cold storage? :rolleyes: ...Heroes find out and thaw her out. Anywhoo... back in Sept., hopefully more Fuller written episodes...consulting ain't gonna help the multitude of dire writers.

We'll see how things pan out later tonight:)

Nervous Wreck

If anyone wants to know spoilers for what I know about this episode, read the tags below. If not, don't....!

Tracy Strauss will return with a better understanding and range of her powers.... This was Bryan Fuller's idea as the other writers had wanted to kill her off. Fuller said that was a bit lazy and it'd be more interesting to let her live and explore where her character would go in the wake of helping Micah etc.....

The person who dies will be dead dead dead..... But they might still be in the show next season..... Presumably meaning, Sylar will steal their identity..... This leads me to believe it will be Nathan who dies.....

New female villain will be introduced at the opener for Vol 5, which is called Redemption....

There are stories set up for next season for Claire, The Petrellis, The Bennets and Hiro.... So none of those people will die.

It's not much but there ya have it....

dave_29

Yeah according to

Ali Larter

there are a few shocks ahead.:(

GuanYin

All I can say is....:eek:

opr

BSG/Caprica called and they want their story line back.

Opr

Richard Dower

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Well....plotholes anyone?
It was a good episode with a few nice twists, but it's pretty much RIP for Heroes as a show. It's obvious Sylar/Qunito is leaving the show....as killing Sylar pretty much kills the show.

Having Nathan as Sylar will NEVER work!, Pasdar can't pull off the character, he'll never compare...it's obvious Nathan will become Sylar next season, but does Nathlar have any of Sylars old powers, like can he shapeshift?

Ali Larter...shocker, not!...she melted and went into the drainage system/water supply...now she's back for revenge, meh. LIsten...in principle the idea of having Sylar as Nathan on the surface opens up some nice storyline/plotline possibilites. But as we all know it's a rather transparent way of writing Quinto out of the show!

It won't work, Qunito was the backbone of this show and Nathan will NEVER be able to come close to Quinto's screen presence and acting. Even for the four volume they didn't really set that much up for next season. It was a very good ep. but it's just a smokescreen to try and con the fans!

Richard Dower

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opr wrote: »

BSG/Caprica called and they want their story line back.

Opr

dave_29

Another Anti-climactic ending!
I mean they feel like they are building up to something really big. But in the end, its not as big as i thought it would be.

The fight scene was a bit of a let-down of whatever it was I thought all we saw was Claire struggling to open the doors and her eye, and Nathan being killed, that was it.)

True that there would be a few deaths if not a few twists to it including a new baddie?

Why didn't Claire heal Nathan? It's been done before to save Noah in Season 2.
So tracy on a rampage for a reason i hope we find out.. she had a sylar look in her. Nathan is sylar, sylar is nathan.... don't get it, does it mean that Zachary is no longer in heroes and Adrian will play the role of sylar in future episodes?
But there's seems to be a bit of Sylar yet as he's quietly 'ticking away' before he cops on & wakes up to reality

Whats happened to Hiro...

I really wanted to see Ando boost someone up...when Hiro was bleeding Ando should've tried to boost Hiro to see if he could get the ability working properly again... But they just made Hiro "sick" or otherwise he would have it toooo easy and stop time and set things straight... didnt like the way they made the hiro/ando storyline now that i think of i

Lets hope in the next volume there is REDEMPTION!! :rolleyes:

Btw: Can someone put a poll on this, as i cant seem to find the option here

Richard Dower

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^ Quinto is gone, he might make the odd guest apperance...but that's it.

dave_29

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ Quinto is gone, he might make the odd guest apperance...but that's it.

He might do a cross-over by beaming in?:D

Richard Dower

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Hayden and Milo will go next...trust me, actors jump ship when they see a show dying on it's arse. It's bad for there rep. to be associated with a lame duck. Qunito jumped ship first, i assure you others will follow.

Richard Dower

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dave_29 wrote: »

He might do a cross-over by beaming in?:D

Haven't Paramount signed off on a further two Star Trek movies?

pyramuid man

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Just something that they never cleared up, but does Nathan (Sylar) going to have the healing power still or what.

Kinda closed it back to a situation that we can see it going in the way it showed at the end of season 1 where Nathan was president in the future.

But I gotta say that it was the best use Sylar made of his powers since he got them in the whole framing Danko thing.
Great idea.

Shows there are at least some smart writing left in heroes at the moment.

Goodshape

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Added the poll.

Thor

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i liked it.

i taught it was a big step up from all the other episode's except last weeks as that was just brilliant.

i dont like the idea of nathan being sylar. the show was built on sylar and everything around him. if quinto doesnt come back season 4 will suck.

i did however like the idea of what they did. i mean using matt parkman to turn sylar into nathan(btw what the hell this angela see in her dream if matt was to save nathan(how could you get that mixed up with saving someone).

it was a decent episode, not a great ending but a decent episode none the less

Nervous Wreck

Thor wrote: »

i did however like the idea of what they did. i mean using matt parkman to turn sylar into nathan(btw what the hell this angela see in her dream if matt was to save nathan(how could you get that mixed up with saving someone).

Presumably her dream was quite jumbled, showing Nathan in trouble, Parkman entering and Nathan suddenly being fine....



Not sure how to feel about the ending.... It's interesting.... To whoever asked above about Nathan/Sylar retaining the ability to heal, yes of course he does... He's basically just Sylar forced to believe that he's Nathan Petrelli.... He's already unwittingly used his ability of understanding when he fixed the clock... I think that they're trying to hint that it's almost a new beginning for Sylar, given that the first time his power of understanding ever manifested was while he was working with clocks....


Can't believe no one has yet remarked on how AWESOME it was that the president turned out to be Peter shapeshifting... That was f*cking SLICK!

don ramo

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Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Can't believe no one has yet remarked on how AWESOME it was that the president turned out to be Peter shapeshifting... That was f*cking SLICK!

for a second i thought the president was a hero with a power, like sylar was already beatin to the postion by someone else, which would have been so much better, then sylar would run away to fight again, and does anyone realise that peter can now be pres,

thought it was ****ing re****ed that they didnt kill sylar when they had a chance, how ****ing stupid are they, honestly to unbelieveable, and i really like this show, quinto has to come back as this making sylar nathan wont last long, sylar has healing abilities, whatever parkman erased (or wrote over) will just come back, only the haitian could take to memories, cause he actually removes them not write over them, this is why claire couldnt remember it ever happening to her for years,

id say theyll leave sylar out for a volume, so quinto can film another startrek film maybe he might get the 2 in (would make sense to film the 2 together and save costs), and then come back for volume 6, given that 5 will take up half a season,

don ramo

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they were saying earlier in the season that it cost 2 million quid to make an episode, 2 million quid an ep, and they couldnt show nathan and peter fighting sylar, how much are they paying the f***in actors,

honestly if this returns and chuck doesnt its a disgrace

ixoy

So instead of seeing the fight, we had to rely on the acting ability of Hayden Panettiere's eye? Why don't you just punch me in the face Tim Kring, it'd be kinder.

EKRIUQ

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For the fourth time Heroes fails to produce a proper series finale but I thought this episode was one of the best in the series. But more suited to a middle of a series show.

The ending seemed very like a Show end with all ends tied up except for Ali Carter. I'm not sure if I'll have the enthusiasm to watch next year, maybe wait a couple of shows to see what the feedback is like.

BArra

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does peter have all of sylars abilitys or just shapeshifting??

as he says in the limo after stabbing sylar in the neck...

"I bet you didnt expect me to take `that` power"

don ramo

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BArra wrote: »

does peter have all of sylars abilitys or just shapeshifting??

as he says in the limo after stabbing sylar in the neck...

"I bet you didnt expect me to take `that` power"

he has them all, if he has 2 he has them all

BArra

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what do you mean two of them, healing? they did a close up shot after sylar flew off with nathan

i didnt see peter heal from his head wounds, but i coulda missed it

don ramo

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BArra wrote: »

what do you mean two of them, healing? they did a close up shot after sylar flew off with nathan

i didnt see peter heal from his head wounds, but i coulda missed it

there will still be blood, the other power he obviously used was forcing sylar to shift back into himself, must have been some sort of shockig ability,

peter obsorbes the abilitie(s) of the people he touches, but if he were to touch say hes mom, and obsorbe hers, he would loose all the abilities he got of sylar again, which you know he will, at some point,

L31mr0d

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gah!!!... how could they not show the fight??? I mean when you think of the likes of Star Trek, every episode had explosions, CGI, space battles, aliens, alien planets... etc. How the hell could they not squeeze out some funding for a 20 second fight between Sylar, Peter and Nathan :mad:

It seems America has gone for quantity over quality. They seem to be churning out new shows every other week. The only ones that survive will be the ones that don't rely on any special effects or cgi. Sad because it's killing Sci-fi.

don ramo

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L31mr0d wrote: »

gah!!!... how could they not show the fight??? I mean when you think of the likes of Star Trek, every episode had explosions, CGI, space battles, aliens, alien planets... etc. How the hell could they not squeeze out some funding for a 20 second fight between Sylar, Peter and Nathan :mad:

It seems America has gone for quantity over quality. They seem to be churning out new shows every other week. The only ones that survive will be the ones that don't rely on any special effects or cgi. Sad because it's killing Sci-fi.

and you wonder how the like of stargate (15 years) and BSG (4 years) affored all the CGI they used with (according to the nelson ratings) audiences under 4 if not 3 million viewers, heroes get average of 6 million, WTF

(edit)
also jericho, had more or less zero CGI, it was filmed in a desert, and had 7 million viewers, and was cancelled after one season, and brought back for a pathetic 7 ep second,

Redisle

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This would have been a brilliant episode but I only gave it a 2 because of the huge fecking plot hole which is really pissing me off and bringing down my view of this show.. The writers just convieniently forgot that Claire's blood can miraculously bring people back to life (Noah.. ). So when Noah gets shot in the head, NO, he isn't dead at all, it's not like brain damage can disable him! Then Nathan get's his throat slit and thats it for him.. no bringing him back to life ffs. What a joke.

The last bit of the episode with bits of Sylar creeping through.. that should get me excited for the next season but it dosen't in reality, I just don't care that much anymore
They should never have allowed Claire's blood to bring someone back to life because it creates problems like this and dosen't really allow them to effectively kill off a character..

I think the only reason Il watch next season is to see where the writers go with Peter.. he has just become an interesting character again, being very powerful suits him.

Edit: one more thing I saw on another forum, If Peter has only absorbed one power from Sylar.. that will no doubt 100% be the end of the show for me. If thats the case it will make absolutely no sense.. how the hell could Peter just decide which power to take etc. The way he mentioned to Sylar "bet you didnt thnk id take this power.." or whatever, kind of suggests this.

Skud

don ramo wrote: »

there will still be blood, the other power he obviously used was forcing sylar to shift back into himself, must have been some sort of shockig ability,

peter obsorbes the abilitie(s) of the people he touches, but if he were to touch say hes mom, and obsorbe hers, he would loose all the abilities he got of sylar again, which you know he will, at some point,

if that is correct, didnt he shake hands with mohinder at the end??? I also thought this was the case...

EDIT: you can't see it as it is off camera but definitely looks like a handshake!

AlmightyCushion

Well that was pretty bad. No fight. Thanks tim. It was bad enough when you pussied out and gave that piss poor excuse for a fight in season 1 finale but this is taking the piss.

Tracy is going to be returning next season as the human puddle. Fear her as she gets in that hole in your shoe and soaks your socks. She's unstoppable as long as you don't have an empty coke bottle about.

Since when the hell could sylar fly. After the "fight" with nathan he flew in the window.

Sylar's dead. Well he isn't but he kinda is. What a load of crap. If they are going to kill him off then they should have killed him off properly and not jipped us out of seeing him get killed. Hopefully this means we'll be seeing him again, more than likely we won't.

I really should have watched this before watching chuck.

AlmightyCushion

Skud wrote: »

if that is correct, didnt he shake hands with mohinder at the end??? I also thought this was the case...

It seems he can choose to take the power or not.

don ramo

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AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It seems he can choose to take the power or not.

yes he can choose, thats the only power he got after taking the injection of the stuff hes dad made, holding one persons power at a time,

i dunno id say sylar was more levitateing, than flying, which he could easily do, nathan would have pushed him out the window and down 1 or 2 floors, and he just made sure he didnt smack the floor,

Mr.Nice Guy

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I enjoyed it. If you're going to moan about characters being killed off because others have been saved in the past then you'll never be able to enjoy the show. I can't believe people are complaining of a plot hole. What, you didn't expect major characters to be killed off ever again? Dear oh dear. Besides if they had brought Nathan back through Claire's blood then we'd hear bitching about how they rehashed an old storyline. Can't really win can they? Honestly I've complained about this show as much as anybody but to me that was a major improvement in terms of plot development and overall atmosphere. There was actually a coherent story to follow. Huzzah!

People are complaining about the fight scene I notice. Think for a minute, what exactly could they have done? Had Nathan fly around the room dodging blasts? Had Pete...uh...change into another guy and dodge blasts? They made the scene respectable at least.

Also I'm fed up with this fanboy crap about 'Oh Sylar's gone now the show is ruined!' The show became bloody awful long ago. Sylar's character was f*cked up along with plenty of other characters, notably Mohinder. He's no big loss at this stage. He's done pretty much everything. Hunted people, suffered breakdowns, tried to make life hell for certain characters. It's not like they haven't got plenty of mileage out of him and the way it's been handled he will likely pop up again down the line. Unless you're a 15 year-old girl I'm sure you can do without the brooding, unshaven one's ramblings in the near future.

The show has seen far worse episodes than this one and as long as the next volume doesn't involve people being hunted by a company for their abilities then things are looking up.

J-blk

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AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Since when the hell could sylar fly. After the "fight" with nathan he flew in the window.

He simply absorbed Nathan's (or Peter's at the time) ability - he learned how to absorb abilities without opening up peoples' skulls/killing them back in volume 3 and he did it again with the shape shifter a few episodes back... But most of the time, he just chose to kill people anyway still. When did he get the puppet master's ability? Though he did deliver him to the hunter, alive, so he probably took it then...

Anyway, I still think this was complete BS - the "fight" was utter crap and as usual, nobody is really dead... Yeah, Nathan is dead (which as mentioned makes no sense) but he is still in the show, Sylar can come back whenever (though doubtful that Zachary Quinto would want to), Tracy essentially can't be killed either... FFS, kill off a main character (or 5-6 of them) already! :mad:

Volume 5 doesn't look promising either - I'm sure they'll screw it all up about 2 episodes in...

Richard Dower

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I think what annoyed people with the fight was...we didn't see it!
It was just a cheap money saving stunt, it's blatantly obvious this is true!...if they killed off Claire then and there and have Nathan/Peter all super pissed it would have made for a great setpiece, the money saved on killing Hayden could have PAID for the CGI/production costs...see?

Sylar, it's another pathetic way of NOT killing off a charcter, but killing him...of Quinto leaving but saying...ooh he's not dead, Nathan is but not Sylar. I will GUARANTEE 100% next season they will find a way to 100% write out Sylar and Nathan will come back to life...dear god!

Pasdar must be getting paid much less then Quinto, what pissed people off is....JUST KILL HIM, don't transplant him into someone else, it insults the intelligence of the fans!...might i add, it's cowardly of the producers.

Nervous Wreck

don ramo wrote: »

there will still be blood, the other power he obviously used was forcing sylar to shift back into himself, must have been some sort of shockig ability,

peter obsorbes the abilitie(s) of the people he touches, but if he were to touch say hes mom, and obsorbe hers, he would loose all the abilities he got of sylar again, which you know he will, at some point,

Not to be rude, but that's a load of crap. He took one ability: shapeshifting. The evidence is fairly clear.

1. He was still bloodied and battered (and even limped out of the room).

2. Claire asked if he could fly after them and he said he couldn't (Sylar seemed to be able to use his telekinesis to levitate so Peter would be able to as well).

3. Peter clearly said "I bet you didn't think I'd take that one"... Eh....

Also, he didn't force Sylar to change back into himself. Sylar thought he'd taken the President's DNA and tried to shift into his guise but couldn't do it. Confused, he started shifting into lots of different people, trying to find the right one and then ended up as himself just before Peter stabbed him.

And yes, he can pick and choose where he takes his powers from at this stage. He'll have shapeshifting until he feels arsed getting something else.

Richard Dower

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^ i agree Peter only took on one power, shapeshifting, it also explains why he didn't fly...and Sylar i guees in turn absorbed Peters flying abilities.

Richard Dower

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Someone explain this, Sylar touches an object and is able to see the whole history of that object....who gave him that power, as i don't remember?

Nervous Wreck

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ i agree Peter only took on one power, shapeshifting, it also explains why he didn't fly...and Sylar i guees in turn absorbed Peters flying abilities.

No. It was first implied in Season 1 that Sylar could fly when Parkman shot at him and he fell to the ground, then started getting back up. Big whooshing sound and Parkman looks up towards the sky. Couple episodes ago, Sylar disappeared out of Danko's car and was suddenly on a roof. He's either stolen flight from someone off-camera or, more likely, he's always been able to use telekinesis to levitate.

Richard Dower wrote: »

Someone explain this, Sylar touches an object and is able to see the whole history of that object....who gave him that power, as i don't remember?

3x03 - "One Of Us, One Of Them", Angela brings a woman named Bridget Bailey into Sylar's cell and leaves her there with him. That's where he got it.

el_tiddlero

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good episode overall..

thought it was a clever ending, a nice way to keep an actor in a job after his character has been killed, and to replace another actor who is going to be off doing other things for the next while..

as stated by a poster above I fully expect the real Sylar to re-emerge in Volume 6 - volume 5 will have Tracy Strauss as the main villain, and there'll probably be tonnes of moments where you think the Nathlar is about to figure it all out, and then won't... Tracy's water powers looked good at the end, and if she get's back frozen too there could be all kinds of awesome stuntness.. I hope so anyway, I want to see full-ice with movement and firing ice-bullets from her fingers and whatnot.. That's what superhero shows are all about.

I can understand the disappointment with the Nathan/Peter v Sylar fight, but, to be honest, I don't think it would have looked great anyway - 2 flyers against a TK lightning beast just doesn't add up to a decent ruckus, in my book, Sylar would have incinerated them both before they got anywhere near them... Thought they could have done it a bit better, had Nathan confront Sylar and Peter fly in from behind to touch him for a power grab.. Either way, they got what they needed from it to advance the plot..

Are we gonna see Parkman get dragged into some more dirty doings now that he's in bed with HRG and Ma Petrelli??

anywho, I enjoyed it and still don't get why half the people who come on here to complain go to the trouble of watching.. either they secretly like it and just choose to moan to appease their inner coolometer, or they're masochists..

pyramuid man

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I think that Peter will have all of Sylars powers but the next season will be all about him unlocking them blah blah blah.

Is that the end of Hiro and the Scarlet whateverhisnameis (Ando) with them going back to Japan to be heroes there and for Hiro to spend all the money he was left.

But Sylar will be back. I have no doubt and anyway we need a break from him. We have seen a bit too much of him lately.
Will still watch without him. He did not make the show but he was the best character this season and the first season.

jor el

don ramo wrote: »

he has them all, if he has 2 he has them all

All except flying, which apparently he didn't get, for some reason. Remember he couldn't go after Sylar and Nathan.

don ramo wrote: »

peter obsorbes the abilitie(s) of the people he touches, but if he were to touch say hes mom, and obsorbe hers, he would loose all the abilities he got of sylar again, which you know he will, at some point,

I take it that he had to willingly absorb the powers, it would seem to not happen simply by contact.

pyramuid man wrote: »

Is that the end of Hiro and the Scarlet whateverhisnameis (Ando) with them going back to Japan to be heroes there and for Hiro to spend all the money he was left.

Hopefully, they were pretty crap all season long.

pyramuid man wrote: »

He did not make the show but he was the best character this season and the first season.

Heroes would be nothing without Sylar (or more specifically Quinto), and it will be nothing without him next year, or even worse with Pasdar as Sylar.

Anyway, that was pretty godsdamn awful. No showdown, poor finish, poor start to the next chapter, and, the biggest letdown for me, did everyone suddenly forget that Claire's blood could cure Nathan? If it can pull a bullet out of your brain, surely a slit throat is nothing? Crap, crap, crap ending is all I can say.

don ramo

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jor el wrote: »

All except flying, which apparently he didn't get, for some reason. Remember he couldn't go after Sylar and Nathan.

I take it that he had to willingly absorb the powers, it would seem to not happen simply by contact.

as i said sylar was more stopping his fall by levitateing, he cant fly, you can only levitate a foot or two,

yes he had to willingly absorb the powers, this is explained a few times, like when he took nathans, they touched a good few times, then when they hugged he siad sorry to nathan and took his power,

weather he has all syalrs abilities is yet to be determined,

cant believe heroes final got more viewers the chuck final, what a joke

Skud

if he took all of sylar's powers does that not mean he has 'the hunger' too? Same with nathan/sylar? Guess we'll have to wait to find out... but can't see them rehashing same story lines again

PetKing

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AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Since when the hell could sylar fly. After the "fight" with nathan he flew in the window.

Sylar had Peter's power all along.

By the by, that was AWFUL!! Anyone remember that episode of South Park with Kenny in heaven controlling the EPIC battle between heaven and hell on the PSP, but all you saw was the angel standing at heaven's wall shouting about how epic it was!!

I has to laugh... but no.. seriously, that was awful.

jor el

Skud wrote: »

if he took all of sylar's powers does that not mean he has 'the hunger' too? Same with nathan/sylar? Guess we'll have to wait to find out... but can't see them rehashing same story lines again

Yep, but I'd imagine that it will become just another one in the long line of plot-holes that are destroying what was a great show. It's pretty much a farce at this stage. Spock did the right thing by bailing out.

Sherifu

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I'll be watching next season. It was a pretty good way to wrap things up. Nice twist in the limo. Nathan dying surprised me too.

ixoy wrote: »

So instead of seeing the fight, we had to rely on the acting ability of Hayden Panettiere's eye? Why don't you just punch me in the face Tim Kring, it'd be kinder.

PetKing wrote: »

I has to laugh... but no.. seriously, that was awful.

Twas a bit disappointing.

cautioner

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Loved it. Nathlar should be really interesting.

Kinetic^

Fail show fails again.

the-ging

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cautioner wrote: »

Nathlar

:P Ha ha ha...

Ending was ok, gave it a 3.

Richard Dower

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I came up with Nathlar!...maybe i should copyright it?

:-)

Das Kitty

Where's the 0/5 option?

I think Jumping the Shark is too mild a term for this, more like jumping the Megalodon.

Heroes, thou shall hog my bandwidth no more. Out with thee!