are we more british than the british themselves?

DrumSteve · 08-04-2009 1:33pm

you couldn't live beside someone for so long without picking up some of their traits.

we picked up their sports,language,culture,medi,so on.

they picked up our emmigrants.

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 1:33pm

live2thewire wrote: »

thats what i mean. it makes no sense to me that irish have devotion to english teams. and its nothing to do with quality because english soccer was ****tt in the 80's

I know, its a shame so called 'football' supporters in Ireland didnt spend more time and money supporting their local League of Ireland team.

I have been to many Premiership games and I can honestly say that..take away all the Sky Sports hype bull****...the standard isnt much different from the LOI..especially the lower teams and defo better than most Championship teams I have seen.

Pighead · 08-04-2009 1:37pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

you couldn't live beside someone for so long without picking up some of their traits.

It's true. Used to live beside a man from Roscommon. It was shortly afterwards that Pighead had his first intimate experience with a sheep.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 1:39pm

Des wrote: »

annoying D4 dickheads with faux valley-accents you mean.

I want to kick the teeth of all of these ****.

It's not just limited to D4 - there are some serious morons coming from the affluent suburbs of Cork also. This one I heard on the phone to someone yesterday... I actually thought she had a speech impediment the accent was so fake.
It's not just posh ones though - one of the funniest things you could possibly hear: "Oh I SO see what you did there" in a Cark accent...

live2thewire · 08-04-2009 1:46pm

schween wrote: »

Well geographically Paris is a little closer to London than Dublin.
Culturally though I'd say Britain and Ireland are far closer.

I think being culturally closer is far more significant than geographically.

lol your the person im talking about

a person from london has little in common with an irish speaker from gaoth dobhair..thanks you proved my point.

and ireland is close to british culture not the other way round

Terry · 08-04-2009 1:48pm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Of course not.

We just watch the X-Factor, the Premiership, Sky movies/sports, Corrie, Eastenders; we just shop at Tesco's, HMV; we just support Celtic, Man U, Liverpool; we just obsess over Amy Winehouse, Jade Goody; we just read the Sun, the Mirror. That doesn't make us British.

Using the pound would and being part of the UK would.

Who's this "We" you speak of?

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 1:49pm

Terry wrote: »

Who's this "We" you speak of?

The Royal 'we' of course. He's obsessed with Britain.

Zadkiel · 08-04-2009 1:50pm

live2thewire wrote: »

lol your the person im talking about

a person from london has little in common with an irish speaker from gaoth dobhair..thanks you proved my point.

Neither does a person from anywhere else in Ireland:rolleyes:

DrumSteve · 08-04-2009 1:51pm

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The Royal 'we' of course. He's obsessed with Britain.

is royal wee extra yellow?

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 1:55pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

is royal wee extra yellow?

No all the Royals have blue wee. The only exception to this is Prince Harry because he is the bastard son of James Hewitt. Harry's wee is orange just like his (and his fathers) hair.

live2thewire · 08-04-2009 1:57pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

Neither does a person from anywhere else in Ireland:rolleyes:

no you seem desperate to believe we are somehow culturally close to uk. we are, they are not culturally aware of us.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 1:58pm

live2thewire wrote: »

ireland is close to british culture not the other way round

British culture is close to Irish culture, Irish culture is close to British culture... same thing really.

Zadkiel · 08-04-2009 2:00pm

live2thewire wrote: »

no you seem desperate to believe we are somehow culturally close to uk. we are, they are not culturally aware of us.

Not really desperate to believe no

_blank_ · 08-04-2009 2:00pm

Dudess wrote: »

British culture is close to Irish culture, Irish culture is close to British culture... same thing really.

No, it isn't really.

Irish people receive BBC (1-4, news24 etc) and ITV (Ch4 incl, more4 e4 etc) and the many other "British" channels available on Sky/NTHell (sky news, skyone and two), all showing Britain-centric shows.

RTE, as far as I know, is not widely available in British homes.

thebman · 08-04-2009 2:47pm

It isn't that we are more british then the British, it is that we have more exposure to their media than they have to ours.

It is simple really and it doesn't make us British or change our culture.

I think when Ireland was poor, a lot of peoples main aspiration was for the country to be at least as good as Britain and have everything they have an more if possible so this has lead to us adopting some of their policies etc...

However, we still have our own culture, traditions, language and dialect(s) of English that separates us from them.

So no we aren't more British than the British that would be impossible, we are a healthy mix of American, British and Irish culture and policies all mixed up.

TBH I don't think that is too different to any other western country which all adopt some of these things.

And those British shows RTE are supposedly copying like Ireland's got talent or whatever, those are American shows copied by Britain. They are also crap and bottom of the barrel entertainment. Britain does comedy best and our best talents go there to get bigger budgets and get them so to say we don't have any effect on Britain would be wrong with shows like Father Ted and shows inspired and written by Irish people winning awards in Britain.

Pollythene Pam · 08-04-2009 2:49pm

Yes we are.

markesmith · 08-04-2009 2:55pm

Dublin's got a right British thing going on. I mean, the accent on the Southside, let's not kid ourselves, it's not really an Irish accent.

mayotom · 08-04-2009 2:58pm

One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers
"What it means to be British?"

Some of the emails are hilarious but this is one from a chap in
Switzerland...

Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub
for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian
curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture
and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British
thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign.

Oh and!!!!!

Only in Britain... can a pizza get to your house faster than an
ambulance.

Only in Britain... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the
way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while
healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.

Only in Britain... do banks leave both doors open and chain the
pens to the counters.

Only in Britain... do we leave cars worth thousands of pounds on
the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage.

Only in Britain... do we use answering machines to screen calls
and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone
we didn't want to talk to in the first place.

Only in Britain... are there disabled parking places in
front of a skating rink.

NOT TO MENTION...

3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their
tongue.

142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins from new
shirts.

58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of
screwdrivers.

31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree
while the fairy lights were plugged in.

10 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that Christmas
decorations were chocolate.

British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year after cracker
pulling accidents.

101 people since 1999 have had broken parts of plastic toys
pulled out of the soles of their feet.

8 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying
on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth.

A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last two years
after opening bottles of beer with their teeth.

5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out of
Control Scalextric cars.

And finally.........

In 2000 eight Brits cracked their skull whilst throwing up into
the toilet.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!!

Now surely the average Irish person isn't that Stupid

thebman · 08-04-2009 2:59pm

Pollythene Pam wrote: »

Yes we are.

Really? Explain how that is possible?

Anyone can say yes or no, give us the reasons behind your answer.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 3:15pm

schween wrote: »

Well geographically Paris is a little closer to London than Dublin.
Culturally though I'd say Britain and Ireland are far closer.

I think being culturally closer is far more significant than geographically.

live2thewire wrote: »

lol your the person im talking about

a person from london has little in common with an irish speaker from gaoth dobhair..thanks you proved my point.

and ireland is close to british culture not the other way round

What the hell? Proved what point? Schween just said Britain and Ireland (in general - the gaeilgeoir example is pointless) are closer (meaning more similar) culturally than Britain and France, which is true. Wow, great reason to sneer at him/her.

live2thewire wrote: »

no you seem desperate to believe we are somehow culturally close to uk. we are, they are not culturally aware of us.

Um... yeah. "Desperate". LOL.

Des wrote: »

No, it isn't really.

Irish people receive BBC (1-4, news24 etc) and ITV (Ch4 incl, more4 e4 etc) and the many other "British" channels available on Sky/NTHell (sky news, skyone and two), all showing Britain-centric shows.

RTE, as far as I know, is not widely available in British homes.

Ok, we're taking "closer" to mean different things - what I'm taking it to mean is "similar to". Irish culture is similar to British culture, British culture is similar to Irish culture.
Sure, maybe some of the aspects of culture we have in common with the British were handed to us/forced on us by them... but that's irrelevant when we now both embrace them, ergo we are close culturally.
That doesn't mean there aren't differences, but in general we have similar cultures in a lot of ways.
And the TV thing you cited is only one example - plus, culture doesn't mean specifics like TV channels. Ok, British people may not have RTE but RTE is still predominantly English speaking and shows many of the programmes/types of programmes aired on British channels.

Pollythene Pam wrote: »

Yes we are.

More British than the British themselves? How?

Dan Dare · 08-04-2009 3:34pm

I lived in London throughout the '90's, and my impression is that as the decade progressed, being Irish was perceived as being "cool", partly through Roddy Doyle, Father Ted, and various films that featured "Modern Ireland", and of course various popular beat combo's.

I am not so sure that English Scottish and Welsh people regard themselves as being British any more, certainly there is a lot of resentment in England about the prominent role the Scots have in the Government, Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling et al.

I think the peoples of these Islands have a great deal in common, culturally, historically, and maybe we have all just grown up a bit. Are the British "British" any more?

LaMer · 08-04-2009 3:46pm

markesmith wrote: »

Dublin's got a right British thing going on. I mean, the accent on the Southside, let's not kid ourselves, it's not really an Irish accent.

We'll it was developed in Dublin, which is part of Ireland. And then there's the fact that it's spoken by Irish people and not British people.

DrumSteve · 08-04-2009 4:02pm

we are basically an offshoot of british culture though.

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 4:07pm

Ireland is a country the vast population of which are white people who live in a bubble of self-deluded-grandeur and believe the entire world owes them a living.

So yes "we are more British than the British themselves".

ejmaztec · 08-04-2009 4:10pm

Brirish or Iretish? Which one for the unique race?

Dudess · 08-04-2009 4:11pm

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Ireland is a country the vast population of which are white people who live in a bubble of self-delusion and believe the entire world owes them a living.

There is a lot of that - resentment that people abroad (meaning Britain and to a lesser extent America) haven't heard of Brian Cowen etc...

ejmaztec · 08-04-2009 4:16pm

Dudess wrote: »

There is a lot of that - resentment that people abroad (meaning Britain and to a lesser extent America) haven't heard of Brian Cowen etc...

The face would look familiar but the correct name would probably escape most of them.

Fratton Fred · 08-04-2009 4:17pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I have been to many Premiership games and I can honestly say that..take away all the Sky Sports hype bull****...the standard isnt much different from the LOI..especially the lower teams and defo better than most Championship teams I have seen.

so we can expect to see Bohs v Drogs in the CL final soon then:D

markesmith wrote: »

Dublin's got a right British thing going on. I mean, the accent on the Southside, let's not kid ourselves, it's not really an Irish accent.

it sounds more californian to me

CamperMan · 08-04-2009 4:28pm

mayotom wrote: »

One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers
"What it means to be British?"

Some of the emails are hilarious but this is one from a chap in
Switzerland...

Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub
for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian
curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture
and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British
thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign.

Oh and!!!!!

Only in Britain... can a pizza get to your house faster than an
ambulance.

Only in Britain... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the
way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while
healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.

Only in Britain... do banks leave both doors open and chain the
pens to the counters.

Only in Britain... do we leave cars worth thousands of pounds on
the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage.

Only in Britain... do we use answering machines to screen calls
and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone
we didn't want to talk to in the first place.

Only in Britain... are there disabled parking places in
front of a skating rink.

NOT TO MENTION...

3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their
tongue.

142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins from new
shirts.

58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of
screwdrivers.

31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree
while the fairy lights were plugged in.

10 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that Christmas
decorations were chocolate.

British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year after cracker
pulling accidents.

101 people since 1999 have had broken parts of plastic toys
pulled out of the soles of their feet.

8 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying
on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth.

A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last two years
after opening bottles of beer with their teeth.

5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out of
Control Scalextric cars.

And finally.........

In 2000 eight Brits cracked their skull whilst throwing up into
the toilet.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!!

Now surely the average Irish person isn't that Stupid

Are you sure they were Brits??, they could have been Irish living in the UK

Ruu_Old · 08-04-2009 4:30pm

*looks at thread with glasses on tip of the nose and sips at tea (pinky out) and scoffs*

are we more british than the british themselves?

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