Earthquakes To Return To Europe

Pamela111

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

ScumLord

I think you'll find earthquakes have more to do with the movement of earth's crust rather than heresy. Here's a wiki that emplanes it all.

Asia has a booming population of Christians over the past few years (even before the tsunami) is that just bad timing on Gods part or is he punishing Christians?

marco_polo

Pamela111 wrote: »

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

Really? In recent lab tests 'duck and cover' wins nine times out of ten.

toiletduck

Pamela111 wrote: »

Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also.

Earthquakes in Europe, whilst rare, are nothing new.

kiffer

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

It's clearly the end of times! Turn off your Sin Machine (aka computer) and go out side and wait for the Rapture!

Earthquakes in Italy are to be expected, earthquakes somewhere currently geologically stable would be more surprising.

Here is a map of the Earth, showing earthquake activity.
As you can clearly see, once you have found Europe and the key that explains the little purple dots... you will see that there have been many earthquakes in the Mediterranean area over the last 5 years.
in fact ... here is a close up of Europe, again purple dots are earthquakes over the last 5 years.

Lab_Mouse

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

You scare me

Fighting Irish

you have to be joking

Bduffman

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

How terribly unchristian of you to assume those who lost their lives are sinners who deserved their fate. Are you judging them?
That must be very comforting for the families of the bereaved. I'm afraid your attitude sickens me & as an atheist I honestly believe that very few christians would support your view.

robindch

Pamela111 wrote: »

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. [...] The USA must also be brought to its knees.

I'm curious -- are you really saying that you want an earthquake to strike the US which will, effectively, stop the country from functioning as a modern society?

Genghiz Cohen

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

EL
OH
EL

What a loving and forgiving god you worship, let's hope yours is the right one.

prinz

Bduffman wrote: »

as an atheist I honestly believe that very few christians would support your view.

Thanks for having some faith in some of us, if nothing else . The attitude above scares me.


Imo it's no huge step from 'God is punishing people via natural disasters etc' to 'I'm going to punish people on God's behalf'. Makes me shudder.

Overblood

Pamela you are disgusting.

Woger

Looking at two tragedies which have inflicted massive suffering and using them to justify your world view. Truly despicable. I'm sure no churches were destroyed in Italy. Anyway does anyone seriousy take the book of revelation as somethign other than a metaphor for christian suffering under Nero?

Overblood

Everytime I read it, it just gets more and more insane. So.... the 350,000 asians deserved to die?

Stercus Accidit

HA!

Why did 'X' happen?

I* don't know so it must be god.


*someone else does understand, it is a rational event.


Replace X with whatever ye want, and answer as shown, and faith and life everlasting will be your reward.

Sleipnir

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

Odd that you start your post about the end of the world with the word "sadly" yet end it with a smiley.

Anyway, do you think that God is actually choosing places based on geography? If so, his aim is off as Rome wasn't actually hit by the earthquake, it was 50 miles outside of Rome. If he was going to hit Rome to make a point, surely he would have actualy hit rome

We've had plenty of "end-of-times" events before e.g. an earthquake in China last year which killed 80,000 people.
Or the 50,000 killed in the 1990 Iranian earthquake.

Yet you choose two events, 4 years apart, separated by thousands of miles, one of them (the Italian earthquake) fairly minor and decide that those two events mark the coming of God?

There's just no logic here.

Kipperhell

We all knew they existed and have encountered them in the past it is the self righteous and ignorant. Shocking to read such a repulsive view of religion. I am sure you bring shame to many Christians but I am also sure many agree with you too. It is probably more likely that such religious people have driven people away from churches more than any temptation.

ScumLord

Woger wrote: »

Looking at two tragedies which have inflicted massive suffering and using them to justify your world view. Truly despicable. I'm sure no churches were destroyed in Italy.

Churches have often been the first building to go in a natural disaster. Being the largest buildings around for a long time. They where often prone to being hit by lightning (until scientists put rods in them) and burning down to the ground. This was always seen as a sign God wasn't happy with his subjects.

dlofnep

Perhaps somebody might find enlightenment through junior cert level geography, than the bible? You have to be kidding with this post.

Nodin

Pamela111 wrote: »

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world.

I had no idea that poor coastal villages and family holiday resorts were such havens of sin.

Would you mind explaining when Bangok, San Francisco and Las Vegas became paragons of conservative christian morality? I missed that one.

Pamela111

toiletduck wrote: »

Earthquakes in Europe, whilst rare, are nothing new.

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information but earthquake and Tsunamis will not be a rare event soon. Remember that I told you this.

MrPudding

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information but earthquake and Tsunamis will not be a rare event soon. Remember that I told you this.

Pamela, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being not as all and 10 being devastated, how disappointed will you be when the world does not end?

MrP

Nodin

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information .

Aha...

Mind you, my question was sort of based on the premise that your idea of a wrathful God smiting the wicked was in fact correct, so really a lack of "scientific information" shouldn't preclude an answer.

marco_polo

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information but earthquake and Tsunamis will not be a rare event soon. Remember that I told you this.

Well I have and they are not even rare now :rolleyes:

http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/qt/eqfrequency.htm

As you can see for each 1.0 increase in order of magnitude, there are approximately 10 times less earthquakes of that magnitude.

So we can easily test your 'theory' this time next year. If there have been hundreds of > 8.0 magnitude earthquakes then you might be on to something.

partyguinness

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

This is the most shocking posts I have ever read. Are there people like Pamela like that out there....:eek: or is it a troll...in fact this should be reported.

PDN

partyguinness wrote: »

This is the most shocking posts I have ever read. Are there people like Pamela like that out there....:eek: or is it a troll...in fact this should be reported.

No, I don't think Pamela is a troll and I think she believes what she posts. I personally find her beliefs to be repulsive, but as a moderator of this forum I defend her right to express them. You are free to argue with her posts and beliefs, but please bear in mind that personal insults earn infractions.

GhostInTheRuins

I really can't understand people that think this way. The fact you think all those unfortunate people deserved to die is a truly disgusting point of view.

MrPudding

marco_polo wrote: »

Well I have and they are not even rare now :rolleyes:

http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/qt/eqfrequency.htm

As you can see for each 1.0 increase in order of magnitude, there are approximately 10 times less earthquakes of that magnitude.

So we can easily test your 'theory' this time next year. If there have been hundreds of > 8.0 magnitude earthquakes then you might be on to something.

We actually had an earthquake in Milton Keynes last year, it was a very strange experience, not particularly strong 5 odd on the richter scale. Personally I blame Pink Punters for it...

MrP

partyguinness

TBH there is no way in which to debate with the OP..its best to ignore.

As if anyone here can change or alter her views...pointless exercise.:rolleyes:

PDN

MrPudding wrote: »

We actually had an earthquake in Milton Keynes last year, it was a very strange experience, not particularly strong 5 odd on the richter scale. Personally I blame Pink Punters for it...

MrP

Just from an aesthetic point of view, a good earthquake would improve Milton Keynes no end.

(Apologies for plagiarising John Betjeman's poem about Slough)

AtomicHorror

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information but earthquake and Tsunamis will not be a rare event soon. Remember that I told you this.

Citation needed.*

*acceptable sources for scientific information exclude sacred texts.

prinz

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Citation needed.

while we're on the topic of predicting natural events, I predict the sun will disappear below the horizon.......sooooooooon.

bill_ashmount

What is she saying that is so wrong? I don't think it is trolling.

Most Christains believe God will punish unbelievers anyway, this is surely no worse than the form of punishment which will be dished out for the rest of eternity according to Christians? Or am i missing soemthing?

Genuine question

I'm not a christian by the way and have no other religious affiliation.

MrPudding

PDN wrote: »

Just from an aesthetic point of view, a good earthquake would improve Milton Keynes no end.

(Apologies for plagiarising John Betjeman's poem about Slough)

I am not a fan, but one thing I will defend about it is people's mistaken view that it is a "concrete jungle." It actually has more trees and parks than anywhere I have ever been. That said, it does pretty much suck...

MrP

AtomicHorror

prinz wrote: »

while we're on the topic of predicting natural events, I predict the sun will disappear below the horizon.......sooooooooon.

If you predict it constantly over the next 8-9 hours you'll be right one of those times and can claim prescience!

Incidentally, did anyone spot the reports of the scientist who predicted the earthquake? The papers are having a field-day with it of course as it fits the Hollywood idea of the lone maverick scientist whose predictions are dismissed by The Man. Now he can say "I told you so", just as prinz will in about 9 hours time.

I say, if he (the scientist, not prinz) can pull it off three times in a row he might be on to something. Funny how nobody writes articles about all those millions of totally failed predictions...

toiletduck

Pamela111 wrote: »

Well I will tell you. I do not have any scientific information but earthquake and Tsunamis will not be a rare event soon. Remember that I told you this.

*cough*

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

Do you really believe that? Why must it be like you predict?

prinz

AtomicHorror wrote: »

If you predict it constantly over the next 8-9 hours you'll be right one of those times and can claim prescience!

Incidentally, did anyone spot the reports of the scientist who predicted the earthquake? The papers are having a field-day with it of course as it fits the Hollywood idea of the lone maverick scientist whose predictions are dismissed by The Man. Now he can say "I told you so", just as prinz will in about 9 hours time.

I say, if he (the scientist, not prinz) can pull it off three times in a row he might be on to something. Funny how nobody writes articles about all those millions of totally failed predictions...

I see a film and book deal in the offing.....you're on to something.

He might have a valid theory though. It was something to do with a huge increase Radon gas being emitted prior to the quake. Sounds sciency enough.

But as the authorities pointed out he was off by about 30 odd miles and had they evactuated the town he was claiming as the epicentre, the evacuees would have been smack bang in the middle of the actual earthquake. So he should probably remember that and keep up with the studies.

Fanny Cradock

Pamela111 wrote: »

Sadly, as a result of the movement towards heresy and abondment of the simple rules agreed between Abraham and God, of which we are decendants the cup of Wrath will be spread more widespread.

Rome and Italy, the home of the greatest Saints and of the Roman Catholic Church was hit just recently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_earthquake

Already to mark the "end of times" we have had the Tsunami which killed 350,000 in one of the most sinful parts of the world. Europe and the USA must now receive the correction whilst Asia nations must see an increase also. Earthquakes will come to all of Europe, not just Italy but France and Spain also. The USA must also be brought to its knees.

Its a pity it has come to this but this is the way it must go.

The protection for humans is the Holy Rosary

I feel very strongly against the notion that God sent an earthquake to punish these people. Tectonic plates rubbed together and caused the earth to shake and crack, the buildings then fell down and people tragically died. That's it.

I really don't understand why people constantly look for signs in natural disasters. They have happened before, are happening right now and will happen in the future.

AtomicHorror

prinz wrote: »

I see a film and book deal in the offing.....you're on to something.

Jeff Goldblum is already signed up to play the lead. He won out over Denis Quaid who has only played the maverick scientist once.

prinz wrote: »

He might have a valid theory though. It was something to do with a huge increase Radon gas being emitted prior to the quake. Sounds sciency enough.

Well that's just it though, it's sciencey-sounding but so are most efforts to predict earthquakes (excluding pamela's). A theory isn't a theory unless it works, so what he's got is an hypothesis at best. Thing is, we've yet to find a predictive method that actually works reproducibly. This is no exception. If he can pull it off again then we can start to pay attention.

prinz wrote: »

But as the authorities pointed out he was off by about 30 odd miles and had they evactuated the town he was claiming as the epicentre, the evacuees would have been smack bang in the middle of the actual earthquake. So he should probably remember that and keep up with the studies.

Hadn't read that!

prinz

Mr Giuliani predicted a quake in the Sulmona area, a city some 30 miles (50km) south of the mountain city of L’Aquila, where the disaster struck.

The technician works for an underground physics lab in the nearby Gran Sasso massif, in the Apennine mountains, RAI said.

While the release of radon gas is studied as a phenomenon which sometimes precedes earthquakes, there is no way at the moment to correlate it to temblors and use it to predict them, said Enzo Boschi, head of the National Institute of Geophysics in Rome.

“Earthquakes are not predictable, and the information was completely wrong - he forecast it for Sulmona,” Mr Boschi told reporters.

He added that if the authorities had taken Mr Giuliani seriously the quake could have killed even more people.

“Imagine if we had accepted such data and evacuated Sulmona, most of the evacuees would have been in L’Aquila today,” Mr Boschi said.

The 5.8-magnitude quake hit L’Aquila as residents slept, killing at least 179 people and leaving thousands homeless.

from http://www.breakingnews.ie

Jeff Goldblum, nice. I'd have to suggest Bob De Niro have a cameo as Berlusconi.

kelly1

Pamela, judge not, and you will not be judged. I think you're spending far too much time worrying about future chastisements and probably reading too many dubious private revelations.

If you want to spead the Gospel, spread the good news, not fear. Your approach is only bringing you ridicule. You need to change your approach IMO.

God bless,
Noel.

lightening

I only dropped in on this forum yesterday after seeing an insult on the home page on boards.ie. I find the whole forum a bit shocking! People being called mindless, spineless, and emotionally retarded!

I am just back from a trip to Italy and the people there were good to me, they were nice, charitable, helpful and friendly. To suggest your God is punishing them is strange to say the least.

I would be fearful that these type of threads would put people off christianity instead of endearing them to it!

PDN

lightening wrote: »

I only dropped in on this forum yesterday after seeing an insult on the home page on boards.ie. I find the whole forum a bit shocking! People being called mindless, spineless, and emotionally retarded!

Are you trolling, or can you genuinely not recognise someone joking with someone else (particularly when the winking emoticon is employed)?

Goduznt Xzst

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I feel very strongly against the notion that God sent an earthquake to punish these people. Tectonic plates rubbed together and caused the earth to shake and crack, the buildings then fell down and people tragically died. That's it.

Can I ask you why you believe your God would not do something like this and what motivates your strong notion that God would not punish people this way?

It is understandable why some Christian sects could read Mark 13 and see Earthquakes and Wars as a sign of the End Times they expect to come. I know quite a few Christians, from varying sects, that view wars, famines and natural disasters as signs that the end times spoken of in Revelations are close at hand. In fact the recent fears and uncertainty over the present global recession seem to be emboldening these beliefs.

EDIT: for the OP, many have come before you and will probably come after you who have seen natural occurances as signs of the end, perhaps you should heed the words of St. Augustine from 1600 years ago who was also witnessing people back then trying to predict the coming end times:

...when it tells us to watch for the last day, every one should think of as concerning his own last day; lest haply when ye judge or think the last day of the world to be far distant, ye slumber with respect to your own last day...Let no one then search out for the last Day, when it is to be; but let us watch all by our good lives, lest the last day of any one of us find us unprepared

PDN

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Can I ask you why you believe your God would not do something like this and what motivates your strong notion that God would not punish people this way?

It is understandable why some Christian sects could read Mark 13 and see Earthquakes and Wars as a sign of the End Times they expect to come. I know quite a few Christians, from varying sects, that view wars, famines and natural disasters as signs that the end times spoken of in Revelations are close at hand. In fact the recent fears and uncertainty over the present global recession seem to be emboldening these beliefs.

Whoa, let's not take too big a leap of logic!

Many Christians do indeed believe that increased earthquakes etc. will be a sign of the End Times. That is because Jesus prophesied that such things will happen.

That is a world away from saying that the people killed in earthquakes deserved to die, or that the earthquakes in themselves were punishments from God (and those are two quite separate issues).

AtomicHorror

prinz wrote: »

Jeff Goldblum, nice. I'd have to suggest Bob De Niro have a cameo as Berlusconi.

Maybe, I mean if we're gonna let Goldblum get typecast as a maverick scientist, we can't worry too much about continuing De Niro's typecasting as a gangster. See what I did there?

robindch

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I really don't understand why people constantly look for signs in natural disasters.

Well, christianity does include stories in which its deity has been willing to trigger natural disasters to perform retribution-by-proxy or to indicate the imminent arrival of one event or another.

Without wanting to sound facetious about it, all that's happening is that somebody is taking the religion at its word.

Goduznt Xzst

PDN wrote: »

Whoa, let's not take too big a leap of logic!

Many Christians do indeed believe that increased earthquakes etc. will be a sign of the End Times. That is because Jesus prophesied that such things will happen.

Wait so the earthquakes aren't happening to punish people, they are merely a "sign" of the end times Why couldn't Jesus of prophesied some signs that wouldn't end up needlessly killing people, who, for all intents and purposes, weren't being punished in your opinion

I can see it in practice now:

Me: "Ok, I'll be around to pick you up at 8, when I'm outside I'll give you a sign"
Friend: "What sign?"
Me: "Oh I'm going to kill your dog, when I try to post its body through your letterbox you'll know I'm outside. Ok see you then"

lightening

PDN wrote: »

Are you trolling, or can you genuinely not recognise someone joking with someone else (particularly when the winking emoticon is employed)?

Woa! Easy tiger, sorry if I picked it up wrong. Serious things to be saying though, sometimes a wink picture doesn't cover it.

I am certainly not trolling, I am pretty sure the PO's opinion would turn people off christianity.

PDN

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Wait so the earthquakes aren't happening to punish people, they are merely a "sign" of the end times Why couldn't Jesus of prophesied some signs that wouldn't end up needlessly killing people, who, for all intents and purposes, weren't being punished in your opinion

You seem to be misunderstanding what 'prophesied' actually means. Jesus wasn't speaking magic words to make these things happen - he was saying that these are things that will occur at the end.

He prophesied also that true believers will be persecuted and that many will turn away from the faith - not things that God is just itching to make happen - so it makes much more sense to view His words as descriptive rather than causative.

PDN

lightening wrote: »

I am pretty sure the PO's opinion would turn people off christianity.

I agree with you there.

However, this forum does not operate a policy of censoring or deleting people's posts just because we don't agree with them, or because they paint Christianity in a bad light. In fact you will see some pretty full-on attacks on Christianity here - but they only get deleted if the posters concerned cross the line into personal abuse or otherwise break the Charter.