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D'Agger · 13-03-2009 7:32pm

Hey I'm just wondering if anybody could tell me the Irish for "I am the master of my own destiny" I've been looking online but can't find it myself!! I want to get a tattoo of this in Irish sometime in the next few months, I want it in Irish because it's our native language and the reason I can't speak fluently in it is because of the way education in Ireland is so backwards. There's absolutely no emphasis on Irish Oral work - practicing the very nature of the language - speaking it!! Anyway Any help would be appreciated greatly.

philologos · 13-03-2009 8:34pm

obl wrote: »

Austria's a relatively recent invention that never really had it's own tongue beforehand. Up till 200 years ago, very few Irish people spoke anything but, so you can't say it was nvere the defacto language.

I said never will be the defacto language rather than never was.

luckat · 13-03-2009 8:57pm

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

obl wrote: »

1. Conas, not cad.
2. Litreacha, not fochlacha.

Brúigh ar Alt Gr agus an ghuta!

Insect Overlord · 13-03-2009 11:50pm

luckat wrote: »

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

Just be thankful that nobody has taken upon themselves to correct your use of English. You might have had to stop using that too...

p1akuw47h5r3it · 14-03-2009 10:25am

I don't really dislike Irish as a language as such jus how it's taught in school (course content is what I mean,not moaning about teachers).I find it pretty pointless tbh.

norwegianwood · 14-03-2009 10:05pm

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

Fad · 14-03-2009 10:25pm

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

I can speak it pretty well (Gold coloured plastic ring to prove it..........) but I somehow resist the temptation to start spouting anything (Partly because there's 18 people in my year doing HL:().

I love Irish for a variety of reasons, but I think if people spent less time bítching about the syllabus, and just got on with it, learn what they have to learn, they would have such a problem. There's a new syllabus coming in, so there's absolutely nothing you can do for yourselves now (ie-stop wasting your time).

tolosenc · 14-03-2009 11:11pm

luckat wrote: »

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

You don't quite grasp the concept of smileys, do you?! :P

tolosenc · 14-03-2009 11:14pm

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

And those goddamn French people speaking French... Grrr...

:rolleyes:

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-03-2009 11:18pm

Fad wrote: »

I can speak it pretty well (Gold coloured plastic ring to prove it..........) but I somehow resist the temptation to start spouting anything (Partly because there's 18 people in my year doing HL:().

I love Irish for a variety of reasons, but I think if people spent less time bítching about the syllabus, and just got on with it, learn what they have to learn, they would have such a problem. There's a new syllabus coming in, so there's absolutely nothing you can do for yourselves now (ie-stop wasting your time).

In fairness, the question was asked "What is your problem with Irish?" people were responding to a direct enquiry rather than really bitching. Everyone seems to be dealing with the syllabus in that nobody's mentioned failing Irish, but that's the problem, it's a syllabus designed to pass the Leaving rather than promote fluency :P

Fad · 14-03-2009 11:32pm

Oakley Gray Football wrote: »

In fairness, the question was asked "What is your problem with Irish?" people were responding to a direct enquiry rather than really bitching. Everyone seems to be dealing with the syllabus in that nobody's mentioned failing Irish, but that's the problem, it's a syllabus designed to pass the Leaving rather than promote fluency :P

I was more talking in general, most threads about it turn into a bitchfest.

Why do the NUIs still want it as a minimum requirement? (Out of curiosity)

Aisling(",) · 15-03-2009 12:22am

ah i just found my fainne...forgot i had that thing

got a bit em merry last night and spent a good 3 hours waffling on in irish to my equally inehbriated mate...god only knows what we were on about.:p

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 15-03-2009 12:45am

Fad wrote: »

Why do the NUIs still want it as a minimum requirement? (Out of curiosity)

I'd imagine it's something to do with their state funding and the state policy of promoting Irish as a vibrant language (i.e trying to keep it from dying out), can't see a real reason for needing to have passed Irish to study Commerce and French or Interior Architecture or whatever!

Aisling(",) wrote: »

ah i just found my fainne...forgot i had that thing

Hnah

Insect Overlord · 15-03-2009 4:04pm

Aw, I miss my fainne

I used to keep it in my wallet when I wasn't wearing it (next to my little bronze Gaisce pin :P ) but I've had 2 new wallets since the one they were housed in.

I get to use Irish nearly every day (one of the many side-effects of studying in a teacher-training college) and it's always fun to be able to switch between languages in conversation. I had problems with the LC curriculum back when I was in school, but there are ways of maximising your points in any subject, even if you don't like that subject. You just have to be clever when it comes to answering the questions.

That said, too many people see Irish as just another exam subject and not as a living, exciting language.

cocoa · 15-03-2009 4:48pm

KeyLimePie wrote: »

a show of hands here =p who knew that there was male and female nouns in irish ?!

*raises hand*

An raibh a fhios agat go bhfuil ainmfhocail neodracha sa Ghaeilge? =P

was lucky there wasn't any fadas in that sentence, silly incorrectly configured keyboard...

KnifeWRENCH · 15-03-2009 6:29pm

Piste wrote: »

Well isn't it lucky for this thread that one of the mods is a Gaelgóir (ok went to an Irish school, practically a Gaelgóir) and another is a wannabe Gaelgóir. Haven't a clue about Squigloo though!

Bhuel, fuair mé A1 i mo scrúdú Gaeilge (Ardleibhéal) ach, faraor, níl mo chaighdeàn Gaeilge an-mhaith ar chor ar bith.
(I dread to think how many basic mistakes I made there.)

The way Irish is taught really is desparate. I got my A1 because I was able to learn loads of essays and notes on prose/drama/poetry off by heart (ah Uirchíll an Chreagáin, so many not-in-the-least-bit-fond memories you've left me with). I'll be the first to admit that it has absolutely no reflection on my Irish speaking abilities (which are rather poor). Basically, once you've survived the Oral, LC Irish is nothing but a glorified memory test.

Being able to speak Irish fluently would be nice, as it is our language and something that is unique to us as a country. But being perfectly honest, I'm not a big fan of the language - the way it sounds, the way it's spoken etc. doesn't really appeal to me.

JC 2K3 · 15-03-2009 6:35pm

I read Uirchill an Creagáin for the first time the night before paper 2, and answered on it

I had previously avoided it because it looked hard, but was learning Stair na Gaeilge at the same time and decided to have a look at it.

Since then I've wondered if all the essays I did and notes I made on other Poems for two years were futile....

p1akuw47h5r3it · 15-03-2009 7:28pm

An File wrote: »

Aw, I miss my fainne I used to keep it in my wallet when I wasn't wearing it (next to my little bronze Gaisce pin :P ) but I've had 2 new wallets since the one they were housed in.

I get to use Irish nearly every day (one of the many side-effects of studying in a teacher-training college) and it's always fun to be able to switch between languages in conversation. I had problems with the LC curriculum back when I was in school, but there are ways of maximising your points in any subject, even if you don't like that subject. You just have to be clever when it comes to answering the questions.

That said, too many people see Irish as just another exam subject and not as a living, exciting language.

Exactly and thats why the course should be changed...The problem is we all know what's wrong with the course but we don't really know how to change it to make it more appealing but something has to be done. I like learning languages (well french) but I hate irish, really boring.

Lola92 · 15-03-2009 7:37pm

I absolutely LOVE IRISH! If it was possible I'd speak it all day,everyday (unfortunately not an option when no one around you would understand)but I agree that the way the language is taught in schools does it absolutely no favours, I'm in 5th year atm and just sick of all the crappy Pros and Stair that you have to learn...IMO not nearly enough marks going for the oral!

Fad · 15-03-2009 7:39pm

Lola92 wrote: »

IMO not nearly enough marks going for the oral!

Not enough marks going for Stair An Gaeilge tbh.

Lola92 · 15-03-2009 7:45pm

Fad wrote: »

Not enough marks going for Stair An Gaeilge tbh.

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

cocoa · 15-03-2009 7:52pm

Lola92 wrote: »

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

I think the point he's making that the marks given for stair na gaeilge are not in any way proportional to the amount of work involved.

Fad · 15-03-2009 7:53pm

Lola92 wrote: »

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

Its not what I'm into, but you have a fair bit to learn, kinda like poetry in English, there's just not enough marks going considering how much you need to do.

Hardly essays, I've been told bullet points will do (If that not true, frankly I don't care

)

Lola92 · 15-03-2009 7:59pm

cocoa wrote: »

I think the point he's making that the marks given for stair na gaeilge are not in any way proportional to the amount of work involved.

+1 that's partially why I hate it so much!

Fad wrote: »

Its not what I'm into, but you have a fair bit to learn, kinda like poetry in English, there's just not enough marks going considering how much you need to do.

Hardly essays, I've been told bullet points will do (If that not true, frankly I don't care )

So I thought aswel but had a test on it there last week, content all pretty much bang on but I got a B- because it should have been *QUOTE* "expanded to about two pages long":mad:.....whats other ppl thinking?!

whadabouchasir · 15-03-2009 7:59pm

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? .

I suppose that's true but for years Irish was stigmatised and seen as a backwards language it's only now that it's "cool".

Fad · 15-03-2009 8:01pm

Lola92 wrote: »

So I thought aswel but had a test on it there last week, content all pretty much bang on but I got a B- because it should have been *QUOTE* "expanded to about two pages long":mad:.....whats other ppl thinking?!

Mark per line, 15 lines for each Q

Lola92 · 15-03-2009 8:03pm

Fad wrote: »

Mark per line, 15 lines for each Q

Ok so! Thanks

Aisling(",) · 16-03-2009 1:55am

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I read Uirchill an Creagáin for the first time the night before paper 2, and answered on it

I had previously avoided it because it looked hard, but was learning Stair na Gaeilge at the same time and decided to have a look at it.

Since then I've wondered if all the essays I did and notes I made on other Poems for two years were futile....

WORST POEM ON THE PAPER!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

if only an t-oilean was predicted to be coming up this year.its such a piece of filth that i remember it really well:p

Richard Cranium · 16-03-2009 2:51am

Ba chuma liom faoin nGaeilge anuraidh. Chuir an tuiseal ginideach, rialacha na séimhiú agus na hurú, focail firinsineach agus baininsineach agus neart rudaí eile éadóchais orm gach uair a bhain mé úsáid astu.

Ansin thug mé i bhfad níos lú aird futhú (seachas i m'obair bhaile, go minic), agus mhúscladh spéis sa teanga ionam beagnach ar luas lasrach. Anois táim ag déanamh iarracht a bheith i mo ghaeilgeoir. Nílim ann fós ach táim ag dul sa treo ceart, dar liom.

Is é an locht is mó a bhaineann leis an gcuraclaim ná nach bhfuil am ag na múinteoirí an bhéim ceart a chur ar an teanga labhartha. Dúirt mo mhúinteoir dúinn anuraidh go mbeadh sé in ann conas torthaí maithe a bhaint san Airdteist a mhúineadh dúinn nó suim sa teanga a spreagadh ionainn(?).

Thosaíomar ag caint as Ghaeilge timpeall dhá mhí ó shin, ag ullmhú don mBéaltriail. Rinne sé an rang trí mhéan an Béarla an t-am ar fad roimh an bpointe sin (ó bhliain a haon).

Ceapaim go bhfuil an athbheochan ag dul ó neart go neart, ach go mall mall.

An Fear Aniar · 16-03-2009 3:03am

Check this out, song about a guy who met a girl but had to leave her because she kept getting her Tuisil Ginideach wrong...

Mura bhfuil an tuiseal ginideach agat
Agus smacht ar do chuid "h"annaí
Níl suim dá laghad agam ionat
Mar is cinnte go mbrisfidh tú mo chroí
Ach más Gaeilgeoir snasta blasta thú
Is má thuigeann tú cúrsaí gramadaí
Tar trasna na páirce móire chugam
Táim anseo i dtóin an tí.

If you don't have a good grasp of the genitive case
And your "h"s aren't in good shape
I have no interst in you
Because you're sure to break my heart
But if you're a polished, skilled Irish speaker,
And if you're well across the grammar
Come across the big field to me,
I'm here in back of the house

Táim ag siúl an bhóthair uaignigh seo
Le fada, fada an lá
Ag cuartú na mná gaelaí i ngach áit
Ach faraor, níl sí le fáil
Bean atá tugtha don tuiseal tabharthach
Bean a thuigeann na díochlaontaí
Bean a rachfadh chun na leapan liom
Le Graiméar na mBráithre Críostaí.

I've been walking this lonely road,
For many's the long, long day.
Looking for the Gaelic woman everywhere,
But sadly, she just isn't out there.
A woman who understands the accusative case
A woman who understands the declensions.
A woman who'd go to bed with me
And the Christian Brothers' Grammar.

Also, anyone know WTF these guys are saying?

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