Why The Church Can Go and Fup Off

Kintarō Hattori

A Brazilian archbishop says all those who helped a child rape victim secure an abortion are to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church tried to intervene to prevent the abortion going ahead but the procedure was carried out on Wednesday.

Now a Church spokesman says all those involved, including the child's mother and the doctors, are to be excommunicated.

However, doctors at the hospital said they had to take account of the welfare of the girl, and that she was so small that her uterus did not have the ability to contain one child let alone two.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7926694.stm

I'm not religous but crap like that would really put me off the idea of catholicism.

What about you lot boardsies, any other actions by the church annoy the bejaysus out of you?

petes

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

What about you lot boardsies, any other actions by the church annoy the bejaysus out of you?

Mass.

javaboy

Meh it's their ball. They can do what they like with it. Excommunication I have no problem with.

It's the bit where they tried to intervene and stop the abortion that sickens me.

Dennis the Stone

We could be here all day. A bunch of hypocritical money-hungry bigots. More obsessed with people's private lives and protecting their own than genuine human suffering and poverty. They would rather see people die of aids than wear contraception.

jim o doom

raping children and denying it & just moving the offenders out to unknowing new fertile grounds where they could continue their filth.

jim o doom

well that & religion is a fraud.

VERYinterested

Tolerance of child abuse and the hushing up of it, and the outrage by altar rail lickers towards people that are brave enough to come forward.

badabinbadaboom

I suppose systematicaly abusing young children gets on my nerves a wee bit.

ham_n_mustard

the uniforms, although i did see this one subtitled film with some very sexy nuns.......

Biggins

Tago Mago wrote: »

We could be here all day. A bunch of hypocritical money-hungry bigots. More obsessed with people's private lives and protecting their own than genuine human suffering and poverty. They would rather see people die of aids than wear contraception.

Yep. The list of things wrong is too big, serious and huge for AH section.

Short story is: we refused to inflict the heavy anchor of the totally corrupt Rome organisation on our kids.

Genghiz Cohen

ham_n_mustard wrote: »

the uniforms, although i did see this one subtitled film with some very sexy nuns.......

Was it French and on after 11?

connundrum

Bit of a sausage fest tbh.

the_syco

And what's the bet that the rapist daddy is a priest from said church?

Dudess

The catholic church is anti abortion - no exception. Punishing members who knowingly contravene this... well technically there's nothing wrong with that seeing as the church is simply adhering to doctrine.

What pisses me off is people who continue to support the catholic church, moreso than the catholic church itself.

jim o doom

haha a funny one I hate; the fact that if you for some strange reason, want to get married; in a church.. you have to do a "wedding course"


So Church; you are telling me that a man sworn to celibacy - something completely against nature - who believes in some seriously strange things and spends most of his time with other celibates and young (alter) boys is the correct person to give me a course on how I spend my married life with a woman?


nooooooo no no no you've got it all wrong - you should be asking ME how to get on with life normally.

seamus

If you're excommunicated, it's like them putting up a "No Homers" sign and not letting you into their club, i.e. it's completely an utterly meaningless.

What annoys me is people who consider excommunication to be anything more serious than someone saying, "You can't be in our gang anymore".

thelordofcheese

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7926694.stm

I'm not religous but crap like that would really put me off the idea of catholicism.

What about you lot boardsies, any other actions by the church annoy the bejaysus out of you?

While this is an extreme case, i can see their point. For many catholics, paticularly in the poorer parts of the world, abortion is murder, plain and simple. There is no moral grey area, it's all black and white.

The question for them is "why should an innocent unborn child be murdered for something it has no part of" and from that point of view i can see why they'd excommunicate the people involved.
If you break their rules you don't get to be in the club anymore.

While i personally think the abortion was the correct move, getting upset when a religion enforces it's own rules is a bit silly.

(also - in before some bonehead brings up Sharia and beheadings)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The church, pfft! Opec are saints compared to these scum. Very wealthy organisation, with little regard for the needy. Saying this, a lot of individuals in the church are very very good people, getting little or no funding from the church itself but yet these people are able to run great charitable organisations.

The church sickens me... Religion sickens me... Religion will be the demise of civilisation on this planet. It will be the ruin of the world...

Kintarō Hattori

thelordofcheese wrote: »

While this is an extreme case, i can see their point.

I can't. The doctors said that she wouldn't be physically able to have the child, let alone two. In that situation there is only ever one choice.

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

The church sickens me... Religion sickens me... Religion will be the demise of civilisation on this planet. It will be the ruin of the world...

I really feel you're right. It causes so much suffering.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Well who told the church exactly? Did the brazillian bishop seek help from the church? It happens all the time in Ireland and England with no excommunications from the church, is it only certain cases that this happens?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I really feel you're right. It causes so much suffering.

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

ham_n_mustard

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Was it French and on after 11?

you've obviously seen it too.

i went to school in a convent school in limerick. the nuns were regular little robert mugabes. enough to make anybody doubt the catholic faith, listen to slayer, etc etc

thelordofcheese

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

You realise the problem isn't religion, right?

It's people. or more specifically people using religion as an means to further their own ambitions. And when it isn't religion it's something else, like national security or other differing political ideologies.

Blaming 'religion' for the worlds woes is like blaming a gun for shooting someone.

Galvasean

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You realise the problem isn't religion, right?

It's people. or more specifically people using religion as an means to further their own ambitions. And when it isn't religion it's something else, like national security or other differing political ideologies.

Blaming 'religion' for the worlds woes is like blaming a gun for shooting someone.

Religion Guns should be banned because people can't be trusted with them.

Adiboo

Watch Religulous. Great/funny documentary.

thelordofcheese

Galvasean wrote: »

Religion Guns should be banned because people can't be trusted with them.

I knew i shouldn't have used the gun comparison.........

Fine, how about:
Blaming 'religion' for the worlds woes is like blaming an inanimate object for the actions of a person.

Is it unambiguous enough now?

AngryBadger

I wonder how much of the current budget deficit we could make up if we stripped the church of all their lands.....

Biggins

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

100% correct.

This is why I hold the organisation responsible as a whole.

javaboy

AngryBadger wrote: »

I wonder how much of the current budget deficit we could make up if we stripped the church of all their lands.....

Confiscating church assets to make up for a shortfall in the country's finances..... now where have I heard that before?

Overheal

Can we try the Pope for Crimes Against Humanity?

Biggins

javaboy wrote: »

Confiscating church assets to make up for a shortfall in the country's finances..... now where have I heard that before?

From all the items they, the crooks in Rome originally robbed from the Templar organisation and branches perhaps across Europe!

Latchy

jim o doom wrote: »

haha a funny one I hate; the fact that if you for some strange reason, want to get married; in a church.. you have to do a "wedding course"


So Church; you are telling me that a man sworn to celibacy - something completely against nature - who believes in some seriously strange things and spends most of his time with other celibates and young (alter) boys is the correct person to give me a course on how I spend my married life with a woman?


nooooooo no no no you've got it all wrong - you should be asking ME how to get on with life normally.

Now that's the bit that use to puzzle me to , like the cheeky fecker then want's to get into the marriage bed , to make sure your doing it right :eek:

Ri_Nollaig

AngryBadger wrote: »

I wonder how much of the current budget deficit we could make up if we stripped the church of all their lands.....

worked for henry VIII

Latchy

What's great is that as recent as 20 years ago ,free discussions on topics such as this would be dammed from the pulpit and the the speakers doomed by obnoixious priests /church .Thankfully we dont live in those repressive times anymore .

javaboy

latchyco wrote: »

What's great is that as recent as 20 years ago ,free discussions on topics such as this would be dammed from the pulpit and the the speakers doomed by obnoixious priests /church .Thankfully we dont live in those repressive times anymore .

Locked by order of Bishop Len Brennan.

Latchy

javaboy wrote: »

Locked by order of Bishop Len Brennan.

You really had me there lol :eek:

Sir Gallagher

Sometimes when i look back at when i was in school and we were made say prayers, prepare for confession, communion, conformation and the various ways in which the church was involved it sickens me. It was like brainwashing.

Seems funny to me that the church and education can be linked in such a way, seen as though, to me at least, religion and education are two conflicting ideas.

Uncle Arthur

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

stalin and hitler killed millions of people, the 2 of them both godless people. religion cannot be blamed outright for millions of deaths, as a previous poster said - people should be. typical human attitude looking for something/someone else to blame really. i feel the life of the mother should be priority in this case as i cant see the logic in losing 3 lives (mother and 2 children) when 2 lives could be spared to save the mother. personally abortion is usually a black and white situation - wrong but here i feel it was the right way to go.

skywalker_208

I wud love to be excommunicated! I think I wud put it on my CV!

Latchy

skywalker_208 wrote: »

I wud love to be excommunicated! I think I wud put it on my CV!

Yeah, that would be the ban of all bans .Like how cool would that be ? :cool:

Dave!

latchyco wrote: »

Yeah, that would be the ban of all bans .Like how cool would that be ? :cool:

Site-banned from www.vatican.va ?

Latchy

Dave! wrote: »

Site-banned from www.vatican.va ?

I have to resist exploring that site to much .Catholic guilt thing which I've being trying to shread might creep back up on me

kraggy

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

If you're referring to Islam, then you're completely wrong. Islam doesn't make it ok to create war or kill people. It's the way that some people have interpreted the Koran (incorrectly) that has caused the terrorism and not the religion itself.

jim o doom wrote: »

haha a funny one I hate; the fact that if you for some strange reason, want to get married; in a church.. you have to do a "wedding course"


So Church; you are telling me that a man sworn to celibacy - something completely against nature - who believes in some seriously strange things and spends most of his time with other celibates and young (alter) boys is the correct person to give me a course on how I spend my married life with a woman?


nooooooo no no no you've got it all wrong - you should be asking ME how to get on with life normally.

And why shouldn't you have to do a wedding course? It's not a course on how to live your life together as a couple. It's a revision of your sacraments and a lesson in the sacrament of marriage, not a lesson on how to have sex and get on with each other in daily life.

If you wished to be awarded a qualification from a particular university, you'd hardly expect to be given it without studying for the exams??

kraggy

kraggy wrote: »

And why shouldn't you have to do a wedding course? It's not a course on how to live your life together as a couple. It's a revision of your sacraments and a lesson in the sacrament of marriage, not a lesson on how to have sex and get on with each other in daily life.

If you wished to be awarded a qualification from a particular university, you'd hardly expect to be given it without studying for the exams??

Let's just say I wouldn't be comfortable spending my time sitting exams for a degree in history, for example, from a university whose lecturers had taken a life-long vow to avoid the subject of history...

Biggins

bluewolf wrote: »

Let's just say I wouldn't be comfortable spending my time sitting exams for a degree in history, for example, from a university whose lecturers had taken a life-long vow to avoid the subject of history...

...or re-write it in their favour for monetary, land and power and influence!
O' wait corrupt governments do that! Then again - whats the difference - just a name on another organisation that is corrupt to the core!

Terodil

kraggy wrote: »

If you're referring to Islam, then you're completely wrong. Islam doesn't make it ok to create war or kill people. It's the way that some people have interpreted the Koran (incorrectly) that has caused the terrorism and not the religion itself.

Actually, could you explain that statement with a view to the following quotes from the Koran:

"Say to the desert Arabs who stayed behind: 'You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they embrace Islam.' Allah is the all-sufficient Witness." (Victory 48:14)

"It is He that has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true faith, so that he may exalt it above all religions." (Victory 48:26)

"Mohammad is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers" (Victory 48:29)

"It is He who sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true faith to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it." (Repentance 9:23)

"When you meet the unbeliever in the battlefield strike off their heads" (Mohammad 47:3)

Mind that the Christians are no better. They have very similar passages in their bible.

But saying that this is open to 'interpretation' actually comes down to willful disregard of passages that are written in the respective 'holy books'.

These religions are NOT peaceful 'by design'.

Stephen

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

stalin and hitler killed millions of people, the 2 of them both godless people. religion cannot be blamed outright for millions of deaths, as a previous poster said - people should be. typical human attitude looking for something/someone else to blame really. i feel the life of the mother should be priority in this case as i cant see the logic in losing 3 lives (mother and 2 children) when 2 lives could be spared to save the mother. personally abortion is usually a black and white situation - wrong but here i feel it was the right way to go.

Eh, wasn't Hitler a christian? Nicely godwinned by the way.

Ulysses Gaze

What about you lot boardsies, any other actions by the church annoy the bejaysus out of you?

....the fact that they are the largest untaxed corporation in the world for a start.

Seriously, if you want to believe in God fine. Just read the bible and take your meanings from it. Develop your own relationship with God. The Church is a man made construct anyway.........

Why do you need a guy on a pulpit interpreting the Bible for you?

Riddle101

Politics and Religon should never be allowed to interfere with one another and that's a fact. I am a huge opponent to all religous poltics whethe rit be the Catholic Chruch or the Islamic Church, I hate how a persons belief in god has been made into a war by some, and there should seriously be huge reforms in all the churches. If god is real, I'm pretty certain he didn't have this in mind, and those frauds who claim to be the Archdioses and such are just using god as a way to implement their own beliefs on people. That being said, I do believe in God but not Religon(Even though I still go to mass).

bleg

i hate when the clergy take your place in the picnic area

javaboy

bleg wrote: »

i hate when the clergy take your place in the picnic area

Fuppin' baxtards!