Why The Church Can Go and Fup Off

jim o doom wrote: »

haha a funny one I hate; the fact that if you for some strange reason, want to get married; in a church.. you have to do a "wedding course"


So Church; you are telling me that a man sworn to celibacy - something completely against nature - who believes in some seriously strange things and spends most of his time with other celibates and young (alter) boys is the correct person to give me a course on how I spend my married life with a woman?


nooooooo no no no you've got it all wrong - you should be asking ME how to get on with life normally.

Now that's the bit that use to puzzle me to , like the cheeky fecker then want's to get into the marriage bed , to make sure your doing it right :eek:

What's great is that as recent as 20 years ago ,free discussions on topics such as this would be dammed from the pulpit and the the speakers doomed by obnoixious priests /church .Thankfully we dont live in those repressive times anymore .

javaboy wrote: »

Locked by order of Bishop Len Brennan.

You really had me there lol :eek:

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

stalin and hitler killed millions of people, the 2 of them both godless people. religion cannot be blamed outright for millions of deaths, as a previous poster said - people should be. typical human attitude looking for something/someone else to blame really. i feel the life of the mother should be priority in this case as i cant see the logic in losing 3 lives (mother and 2 children) when 2 lives could be spared to save the mother. personally abortion is usually a black and white situation - wrong but here i feel it was the right way to go.

skywalker_208 wrote: »

I wud love to be excommunicated! I think I wud put it on my CV!

Yeah, that would be the ban of all bans .Like how cool would that be ? :cool:

Dave! wrote: »

Site-banned from www.vatican.va ?

I have to resist exploring that site to much .Catholic guilt thing which I've being trying to shread might creep back up on me

kraggy wrote: »

If you're referring to Islam, then you're completely wrong. Islam doesn't make it ok to create war or kill people. It's the way that some people have interpreted the Koran (incorrectly) that has caused the terrorism and not the religion itself.

Actually, could you explain that statement with a view to the following quotes from the Koran:

"Say to the desert Arabs who stayed behind: 'You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they embrace Islam.' Allah is the all-sufficient Witness." (Victory 48:14)

"It is He that has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true faith, so that he may exalt it above all religions." (Victory 48:26)

"Mohammad is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers" (Victory 48:29)

"It is He who sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true faith to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it." (Repentance 9:23)

"When you meet the unbeliever in the battlefield strike off their heads" (Mohammad 47:3)

Mind that the Christians are no better. They have very similar passages in their bible.

But saying that this is open to 'interpretation' actually comes down to willful disregard of passages that are written in the respective 'holy books'.

These religions are NOT peaceful 'by design'.

What about you lot boardsies, any other actions by the church annoy the bejaysus out of you?

....the fact that they are the largest untaxed corporation in the world for a start.

Seriously, if you want to believe in God fine. Just read the bible and take your meanings from it. Develop your own relationship with God. The Church is a man made construct anyway.........

Why do you need a guy on a pulpit interpreting the Bible for you?

fwiw, the church has done an awful lot for the poor in South America. Liberation theology is a huge movement in the continent, bishops have been elected president, catholicism is by no means an outdated or unwanted establishment to a very large proportion (possibly the majority) who live in South America. And while I think the girl was fully right to seek an abortion, that doesn't mean that all catholics in S.A. should have to change their position to suit the single, very sad and terrible exception. Does anyone here seriously think the Church was condoning the actions of the girls father when he raped her? Even though the church objected to the abortion I'm sure you'll agree that was not their stance.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You realise the problem isn't religion, right?

It's people. or more specifically people using religion as an means to further their own ambitions. And when it isn't religion it's something else, like national security or other differing political ideologies.

Blaming 'religion' for the worlds woes is like blaming a gun for shooting someone.

Yes I understand that, but without religion, there wouldn't be this problem, right?

There are also times in history, where religion, directly caused wars. The crusades is just one example. Kill them infidels in the name of God... Not a good thing really.

When it comes to religion I do not tell people they are wrong, I do not force my ideals on others, I might express them though. I am friends with lots people the belong to differant religions, it was never a focal point. I went out with a prodestant during the troubles and she was from the north. I broke bread with Muslims, I Danced with hindus, I went to college with Jews and confucists, I don't have a problem with anybodies religious beliefs, no matter how crazy they may seem. I might debate with some about it, but I have never fought with anybody, or argued with anybody over religion in such a way that it left me hating them, or vice versa. If more people were tolerant to religion, the world would be a better place, things would be differant.

I do not believe outright that my beliefs are 100% correct, I have no way of proving it. I would say the same about any other religion... you know?

Could I say "heroin isn't the problem, it's the users?"

See the following post for clarification. I do believe that religion is a great thing, I think it has the potential to better humanity, but history shows us that it has been used for all the wrong reasons. It will happen time and time again.

Anders Dirty Paint wrote: »

Theoretically, the fundamental principles of religion is great, treating human kind with respect and what not, but in practice it only works for said religion. In order for it to truly work there would have to be one religion, which simply will never happen. Religion has fueled massive wars for as long as it is around, it makes it "ok" to destroy another life. Utter hypocricy...

kraggy wrote: »

And why shouldn't you have to do a wedding course? It's not a course on how to live your life together as a couple. It's a revision of your sacraments and a lesson in the sacrament of marriage, not a lesson on how to have sex and get on with each other in daily life.

If you wished to be awarded a qualification from a particular university, you'd hardly expect to be given it without studying for the exams??

I don't really think you're comparing like with like, Kraggy. If you don't study for your exams you'll fail them. If you don't do a marriage course you'll still manage to get married successfully.