Today I feel like I've dodged a bullet..

arybvtcw0eolkf

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

.

Seifer

DAP = Dublin Airport Port?

Kimbot

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP, so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

.

As a fellow public servant I agree with you mate, we are lucky and I feel really sorry for all these people that have lost their jobs.

We have to find a way out but politicians won't listen to people these days because they think they know better so it will be a long time before we are out of this mess.

phasers

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

Mairt

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

.

after seein how lucky you are, you still gonna go protest about wages?

cabra64

Mairt wrote: »

the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sick of bloody recession-casting myself too. Every single news bulletin, late night talk show or formly decent channel is just flooded with this topic. Talking ourselves deeper and deeper into it. DArcy today had the odd one out quiz for people who are hiring! first bit of optimistic content of the day at about half nine.

arybvtcw0eolkf

phasers wrote: »

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

Yes, and it genuinely has.

I just can not imagine how horrible it must be for those guys (my neighbours and friends) going home to their families this evening with this news.

I was at Judo training the other night, afterwards one of the lads was handing out business cards, "whats this for John"? says I...

"My son is an electrition (sp'ing?), he's out of work and can't get a job".

My heart sank, I looked at John (a father and grandfather) and felt sad. Sad that a man should be looking for work for his son like this.

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ntlbell

Mairt wrote: »

Yes, and it genuinely has.

I just can not imagine how horrible it must be for those guys (my neighbours and friends) going home to their families this evening with this news.

I was at Judo training the other night, afterwards one of the lads was handing out business cards, "whats this for John"? says I...

"My son is an electrition (sp'ing?), he's out of work and can't get a job".

My heart sank, I looked at John (a father and grandfather) and felt sad. Sad that a man should be looking for work for his son like this.

.

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

Dord

Seifer wrote: »

DAP = Dublin Airport Port?

Yeah, I think that's a little made up. :P
Dublin Airports IATA code is DUB.

Odysseus

I'm in the PS myself and I have to concur with you Marit. I remember only too well seeing the men on my road lose their jobs one by one in the 80s. I left Dublin myself when I was 19, and tbh honest its in the back of my mind again. I remember how crappy it was and think that I should at least look at the option of heading off again.

I'm hopefully in a secure job but I don't think anybody can be 100% in saying that. The downside in looking at heading off is I'm now 39 not 19:( That is a big difference to add to the equation.

Kirnsy

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

i understand you're trying to stir **** up...

but seriously,im pretty sure not everyone was "buying up half of portugal"

try telling that to the staff of Waterford Glass

chalad07

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

Why bother to post crap like that mate? A lot of people are having a hard enough time with out listening to 'tough ****'.

That post just stinks of 'oh, i'm going to post something controversial just to get a reaction'. Grow up.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Odysseus wrote: »

I'm in the PS myself and I have to concur with you Marit. I remember only too well seeing the men on my road lose their jobs one by one in the 80s. I left Dublin myself when I was 19, and tbh honest its in the back of my mind again. I remember how crappy it was and think that I should at least look at the option of heading off again.

I'm hopefully in a secure job but I don't think anybody can be 100% in saying that. The downside in looking at heading off is I'm now 39 not 19:( That is a big difference to add to the equation.

Oh, I remember those days too.

And young people (the majority of AH users I suspect) think the party has been as long as 20 years (their first Christmas and good presents maybe).

But I remember sitting down with my wife about 12 years ago, going through oour financies and we were literally living week to week.

Thats when I done most of my oversea's service (Lebanon), just to get money.

At least I'd that option (I still have, and have recently volunteered for Kosovo & Bosnia). But the vast majority of workers being made redundant these days have laid down roots in their neighbourhoods, bought houses and started families. Those people have no where to go.

Tell ya what, I'm thanking my lucky star's this evening.

.

Tawny

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Kirnsy wrote: »

i understand you're trying to stir **** up...

but seriously,im pretty sure not everyone was "buying up half of portugal"

try telling that to the staff of Waterford Glass

chalad07 wrote: »

Why bother to post crap like that mate? A lot of people are having a hard enough time with out listening to 'tough ****'.

That post just stinks of 'oh, i'm going to post something controversial just to get a reaction'. Grow up.

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

ntlbell

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

Odysseus

We were luckly my Dad was never let go, but things were very tight. It only when I look back I see how much of a devestating blow this was to my mates dad's. The worked hard then suddenly there was no work.

I have put roots down myself now, so I don't think I will move on unless forced. I can remember blokes working on sites with me whilst their families where back here, they had no choice really but to follow the work.

Tawny

ntlbell wrote: »

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

You go to Canada. I'll retrain and have your job then

ntlbell

Mairt wrote: »

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

How is it ignorance Mairt?

If you have been working for the last 5-10 years and living well in your means you should have little debt, you'll have a very afforadable mortgage, you will have a good savings and you'll have 200-240e single and god knows what with kids a week to help you untill you're back on your feet

if you're just out of college then go travel and enjoy yourself.

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

good man.

ntlbell

Tawny wrote: »

You go to Canada. I'll retrain and have your job then

I might bloody have to

cabra64

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

Consider leaving this sinking ship for work else where?! My cousin was 26 and just packed it off to canada b4 christmas. Spoke to her yesterday-happy out. Working two jobs and having a ball. She's not a huge party person (ie she's not living a student lifestyle) she's more or less decided to stay there. She saved up for flight and money working two bar jobs at home. Being passive in these times is crazy. ever considered collecting glasses in a pub on a saturday night or cleaning the toilets on a sunday money. Work for cash.

Zebra3

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

ntlbell

Zebra3 wrote: »

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

1990 wasn't bad

Zebra3

ntlbell wrote: »

1990 wasn't bad

If you were a politican in government the WC was a handy distraction from the mass unemployment and emigration.

tricky D

Zebra3 wrote: »

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

And it went on til 93 for some sectors.

And then throw in the dot com bust of 2000.

arybvtcw0eolkf

ntlbell wrote: »

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

.

1. I'm way better looking than Eamon Dunphy.

2. I never called you a troll.

3. If the cap fits however

But I do think your displaying, either your youth (innocence) or your total ignorance of how the vast majority of the working class have lived their lives in the last decade.

Most of my mates have worked exceptionally hard in the last few years, and yes they've felt good that they'd money. So they provided a better standard of living for their families, maybe changed the car more often or took an extra holiday a year. Or even bought a house, I grew up in a corpo flat in Ballymun so buying my house was a huge achievment for me.

I hardly know a soul who've lived vastly beyond their means, but I can point to people who are now clearly living beyond THEIR COUNTRIES means, and tearing you and I a new arse hole in the process.

Their sitting back and laughing while they turn this country against one and other, they turn private sector worker against his mate in the public sector.

Its frightening how quickly this country is going downhill, so I'd wipe the smug smile off my face if I were you, because you've painted a totally opposite picture of the working men and women of this country that I and many, many more like me know.

*edit, just wanted to point that out to you. Continue to stir the sh*t and I'll continue to ask others (and myself) not to take your bait.

Dudess

phasers wrote: »

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

Empathy - try it some time. I'm a public sector worker too, but contract, and there's a good chance I'll be out of a job this year, but I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months, while his wife has just been laid off and they've three children and a relatively new mortgage. Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

And there are certainly people who acted like idiots with the cash during the boom years, but that doesn't mean everyone else deserves to suffer.

ntlbell

Mairt wrote: »

1. I'm way better looking than Eamon Dunphy.

2. I never called you a troll.

3. If the cap fits however

But I do think your displaying, either your youth (innocence) or your total ignorance of how the vast majority of the working class have lived their lives in the last decade.

Most of my mates have worked exceptionally hard in the last few years, and yes they've felt good that they'd money. So they provided a better standard of living for their families, maybe changed the car more often or took an extra holiday a year. Or even bought a house, I grew up in a corpo flat in Ballymun so buying my house was a huge achievment for me.

I hardly know a soul who've lived vastly beyond their means, but I can point to people who are now clearly living beyond THEIR COUNTRIES means, and tearing you and I a new arse hole in the process.

Their sitting back and laughing while they turn this country against one and other, they turn private sector worker against his mate in the public sector.

Its frightening how quickly this country is going downhill, so I'd wipe the smug smile off my face if I were you, because you've painted a totally opposite picture of the working men and women of this country that I and many, many more like me know.

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dudess wrote: »

Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

.

And that just about sum's up my initial post, thanks.

Sierra Oscar

And another 477 jobs gone in Limerick today. Things are going from bad to worse, thats for sure.

ntlbell

Dudess wrote: »

Empathy - try it some time. I'm a public sector worker too, but contract, and there's a good chance I'll be out of a job this year, but I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months, while his wife has just been laid off and they've three children and a relatively new mortgage. Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

And there are certainly people who acted like idiots with the cash during the boom years, but that doesn't mean everyone else deserves to suffer.

wonder if this was the same tradesman that tried to break my heart for 50k to build a small extension.

Dudess

Maybe, but maybe not. Again, honest tradesmen shouldn't be scorned because of a bunch of unscrupulous individuals who happen to work in a similar area.

ntlbell

Dudess wrote: »

Maybe, but maybe not. Again, honest tradesmen shouldn't be scorned because of a bunch of unscrupulous individuals who happen to work in a similar area.

I don't think they were trying to be dishonest.

Everyone was coming up with close to the same quote's

When a carpenter is earning more than your local GP

you know there's a serious problem somewhere.

this problem is currently being corrected.

Highsider

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

.

I know where you are coming from on this. There's something very disconcerting about this last week. I am becoming increasingly worried about the amount of bad news that seems to be coming day after day. Genuinely worried about my kids future and never thought when i returned from NY in the 90's that i might have to consider going back there for work one day.:( I feel this country is on the brink of something terrible TBH.

gurramok

Job security is paramount. I know about 6 lads on a contract in SRT working for a different company and they too are screwed.
I myself only know i be ok in the job for this year(private sector), its uncertain once 2010 rolls in. I was rejected for redundancy recently(maybe i'm lucky, don't know) and lads/lasses i've worked with who were both permanent and contract have been let go, all IT.

Both Mairt(not Marit ) and ntlbell are right. Some did live within their means and have savings to fall back in rainy times and some were outright greedy who piled themselves up in debt keeping up with the Jones' thinking good times would last forever, both these groups are workers from every type of social background.

Also, I grew up in working class area and I left school in 1992 with not a hope of a job, its like a Groundhog Day for the class of '08/'09.

jimmycrackcorm

I'd like to extend my gratitude to all the PS guys posting here for your symphony, now please stick your hands up and hand over your pension money.

FlutterinBantam

Dord wrote: »

Yeah, I think that's a little made up. :P
Dublin Airports IATA code is DUB.

Mairt is right.

Airport people colloquially call it DAP.

Nothing to do with IATA codes.

That's the local "slang " for it.

Degsy

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Mairt is right.

Airport people colloquially call it DAP.

Nothing to do with IATA codes.

That's the local "slang " for it.

Da Air Port

mikemac

Dudess wrote: »

I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months,.

If this tradesmen slashes his rates below his competitors he'll get work. Plently of work out there but not at 25 euro an hour or whatever rate they charge. It's probably more to be honest.

People still want quality tradesmen at competitive rates.
And hiring a tradesman who drops your job for a bigger job down the road won't be tolerated anymore and that's no bad thing.

Hey if he won't compete and was self-employed someone else will get the work. No point sitting on the dole for months with woe is me, no work for my sector. There is work but not at the rates you got over the last few years.
Value is key.

FOGOFUNK

I lost my job today.

Im gonna get a ban but its gonna be worth it.

ntlbell your ****ing asshole.

javaboy

FOGOFUNK wrote: »

I lost my job today.

Im gonna get a ban but its gonna be worth it.

ntlbell your ****ing asshole.

Banned. Hope it was worth it.

dr.bollocko

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

ntlbell wrote: »

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

ntlbell wrote: »

How is it ignorance Mairt?

If you have been working for the last 5-10 years and living well in your means you should have little debt, you'll have a very afforadable mortgage, you will have a good savings and you'll have 200-240e single and god knows what with kids a week to help you untill you're back on your feet

if you're just out of college then go travel and enjoy yourself.

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

good man.

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

STFU. If you post again in this thread you will be banned.

kincsem

I worked there but retired two years ago. A contributor imo to the losses was cheap Ryanair flights followed by the rush to the bottom. Michael O'Leary was a hero to the short-sighted.

Most airlines contract out costs to the lowest bidder. Ryanair got some new aircraft at a discount, but to reduce margins they reduced other costs. They had no competitive advantage buying aviation fuel. Airport landing charges, pilot and other staff wages, maintenance costs are the areas that Ryanair pressurised.

Today they and Aer Lingus have reduced the number of maintenance organisations. They will probably reap the reward - higher maintenance costs. That is how it works.

RATM

There's a lot of doom and gloom on this thread, and indeed, on AH in general over the last week.

Losing a job is definitely a shock to the system, there can be no doubt that the uncertainty that it brings induces stress as to the future of your kids, how to pay the mortgage, the car loan, credit cards, wedding loans, education savings for the future and even a pension to secure a nice retirement.


However people here should start to recognise how lucky we are here. By fortune of geography we are within the richest 5% of a global population which is now tipping the 7.5 billion mark. We have cars, electricity that is consistent, health and education systems that rank with the best in the world, decent human rights and the freedom to do as we please to further enrich our lives.

A majority of the world's citizens are not so lucky, they were born in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Not by choice they find themselves in a constant daily struggle to survive. Even if they can survive the political regimes they live under the same systems then serve to repress them based on their ethnicity, sex or creed.

We're dam lucky here in relative terms, real dam lucky. We don't have to worry if our newborn will see the dawn of a new day or if there'll be a crop failure that will devastate the only income we have.

I'm not being facetious by posting this, nor am I trying to stir sh1t. I'm just saying put things into a global perspective and realise, in real terms, how lucky we truly are.

Whispered

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

I'm in the same boat. 25. While my mates were

having a party

, I was saving for my house. Working 14 hour days, 6 days a week. My pay has just been cut by 5% and I still count myself lucky to have a job. Many people in my company don't have the same luxury. I reckon I have 2-3 months left in my job, if I'm lucky. If buying a house can be considered partying then yeah, I'm an ass for doing it and deserve to loose everything I've worked so hard for. :rolleyes:

ntlbell

helena.ryan wrote: »

I'm in the same boat. 25. While my mates were , I was saving for my house. Working 14 hour days, 6 days a week. My pay has just been cut by 5% and I still count myself lucky to have a job. Many people in my company don't have the same luxury. I reckon I have 2-3 months left in my job, if I'm lucky. If buying a house can be considered partying then yeah, I'm an ass for doing it and deserve to loose everything I've worked so hard for. :rolleyes:

right, not everyone IS/WAS having a party, but there was a pretty damn big one and because of your age you might have missed the peak of it. my point was to those who were having the party and now comes the huge hangover but everyone will get the blame bar themselves.

for people working away trying to get by day to day have my sympathy

these are not the people i was referring to

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mairt wrote: »

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

A lot of posts you could have saved me from mairt, why didn't you post this earlier... just pop into any of the "people on the dole are scum" or "there's lots of jobs but yer all too useless and lazy to work" threads and you will see what I mean.

I wish I joined the army when I was going to... I will never know if going to college first was the best option. Saying that, when I went to college the age limit on the army was slightly differant, and even moreso for those who served in the RDF...

Setun

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

Oh ffs, it would appear he's not trolling.

How the hell can you make such generalisations like that? So the fact that my family is now in a spot of financial trouble like the majority of Ireland is due to the fact that they've been living beyod their means?
Oh, ok, grand. I'll just tell them not to go on all those holidays they never went on. And then I'll mention to my ol' man about how he could maybe work for 13 hours tomorrow instead of 12? Hmmm. Yes, we've been careless. Oh, and not accounting for various unfortunate incidents including the family home being burnt to the ground - everything gone, including my lego /boo hiss! - about 10 years ago, which we're still recovering from? Everybody has a different story, we're not all "dishonest" tradesmen living beyond our means.
/rant
Bloody hell, I'm going back to read the Teens in the Wild thread.

Jules

There is a lot of doom and gloom around these parts is right. But we have to remember every generation has gone through it. All you have to do is buckle down, count our pennies and just keep going. I'm in the same situation as most people one income for two people, just signed a lease on an appartment, bills to pay food to get into the tummy. But we just have to be positive. It will get better eventually, it may get worse before, but we just have to get the head down keep moving forward, looking for jobs. But remember to be thankful for what we do have in life.

ntlbell

Daddio wrote: »

Oh ffs, it would appear he's not trolling.

How the hell can you make such generalisations like that? So the fact that my family is now in a spot of financial trouble like the majority of Ireland is due to the fact that they've been living beyod their means?
Oh, ok, grand. I'll just tell them not to go on all those holidays they never went on. And then I'll mention to my ol' man about how he could maybe work for 13 hours tomorrow instead of 12? Hmmm. Yes, we've been careless. Oh, and not accounting for various unfortunate incidents including the family home being burnt to the ground - everything gone, including my lego /boo hiss! - about 10 years ago, which we're still recovering from? Everybody has a different story, we're not all "dishonest" tradesmen living beyond our means.
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Bloody hell, I'm going back to read the Teens in the Wild thread.

Very easily.

I have no idea why you're particular family are in financial difficulties and I'm not just talking about tradesman I'm talking about everyone from people cleaning floors upper management to CEO's

The vast majority have got them selves into a huge amount of debt

be it 100% mortgages 10 X there income over 40 years.
going on multiple holidays
lashing the credit card out of it.

obviously not everyone but a HUGE amount of people. then you add in people adding second and 3rd houses invest properties etc debt on debt on debt

the levels of personal debt is the highest here in the EU that's not because we're all very sensibile and have been living within our means it means we've all been spending someone elses money loading up on debt because we thought the party would never end.

the party is over, there's a lot of sick hangovers.

this is not some fantasy this is the reality of the sitation, and my point was if you were involved in this i haven't an ounce of sympathy for one losing their job

if not, then I have compasspion for those people.

but to try and claim this is down to a small minority is just redic.

taidghbaby

ah lads in fairness to ntlbell he does make ONE good point - many trades/businesses etc have overcharged and earned a lot of money over the last while by basically holding people over a barrell!! And yes there have also been many people giving good value for money in that same period!

However i firmly believe that once we do get out of this recession we will make all the same mistakes again - as a community/country/species we are incapable of control!