Today I feel like I've dodged a bullet..

Dudess · 12-02-2009 08:47PM

Maybe, but maybe not. Again, honest tradesmen shouldn't be scorned because of a bunch of unscrupulous individuals who happen to work in a similar area.

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:50PM

Dudess wrote: »

Maybe, but maybe not. Again, honest tradesmen shouldn't be scorned because of a bunch of unscrupulous individuals who happen to work in a similar area.

I don't think they were trying to be dishonest.

Everyone was coming up with close to the same quote's

When a carpenter is earning more than your local GP

you know there's a serious problem somewhere.

this problem is currently being corrected.

Highsider · 12-02-2009 08:54PM

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

.

I know where you are coming from on this. There's something very disconcerting about this last week. I am becoming increasingly worried about the amount of bad news that seems to be coming day after day. Genuinely worried about my kids future and never thought when i returned from NY in the 90's that i might have to consider going back there for work one day.:( I feel this country is on the brink of something terrible TBH.

gurramok · 12-02-2009 08:57PM

Job security is paramount. I know about 6 lads on a contract in SRT working for a different company and they too are screwed.
I myself only know i be ok in the job for this year(private sector), its uncertain once 2010 rolls in. I was rejected for redundancy recently(maybe i'm lucky, don't know) and lads/lasses i've worked with who were both permanent and contract have been let go, all IT.

Both Mairt(not Marit

) and ntlbell are right. Some did live within their means and have savings to fall back in rainy times and some were outright greedy who piled themselves up in debt keeping up with the Jones' thinking good times would last forever, both these groups are workers from every type of social background.

Also, I grew up in working class area and I left school in 1992 with not a hope of a job, its like a Groundhog Day for the class of '08/'09.

jimmycrackcorm · 12-02-2009 09:42PM

I'd like to extend my gratitude to all the PS guys posting here for your symphony, now please stick your hands up and hand over your pension money.

FlutterinBantam · 12-02-2009 09:57PM

Dord wrote: »

Yeah, I think that's a little made up. :P
Dublin Airports IATA code is DUB.

Mairt is right.

Airport people colloquially call it DAP.

Nothing to do with IATA codes.

That's the local "slang " for it.

Degsy · 12-02-2009 10:12PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Mairt is right.

Airport people colloquially call it DAP.

Nothing to do with IATA codes.

That's the local "slang " for it.

Da Air Port

mikemac · 12-02-2009 10:24PM

Dudess wrote: »

I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months,.

If this tradesmen slashes his rates below his competitors he'll get work. Plently of work out there but not at 25 euro an hour or whatever rate they charge. It's probably more to be honest.

People still want quality tradesmen at competitive rates.
And hiring a tradesman who drops your job for a bigger job down the road won't be tolerated anymore and that's no bad thing.

Hey if he won't compete and was self-employed someone else will get the work. No point sitting on the dole for months with woe is me, no work for my sector. There is work but not at the rates you got over the last few years.
Value is key.

FOGOFUNK · 12-02-2009 10:38PM

I lost my job today.

Im gonna get a ban but its gonna be worth it.

ntlbell your ****ing asshole.

javaboy · 12-02-2009 10:41PM

FOGOFUNK wrote: »

I lost my job today.

Im gonna get a ban but its gonna be worth it.

ntlbell your ****ing asshole.

Banned. Hope it was worth it.

dr.bollocko · 12-02-2009 10:44PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

ntlbell wrote: »

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

ntlbell wrote: »

How is it ignorance Mairt?

If you have been working for the last 5-10 years and living well in your means you should have little debt, you'll have a very afforadable mortgage, you will have a good savings and you'll have 200-240e single and god knows what with kids a week to help you untill you're back on your feet

if you're just out of college then go travel and enjoy yourself.

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

good man.

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

STFU. If you post again in this thread you will be banned.

kincsem · 12-02-2009 10:53PM

I worked there but retired two years ago. A contributor imo to the losses was cheap Ryanair flights followed by the rush to the bottom. Michael O'Leary was a hero to the short-sighted.

Most airlines contract out costs to the lowest bidder. Ryanair got some new aircraft at a discount, but to reduce margins they reduced other costs. They had no competitive advantage buying aviation fuel. Airport landing charges, pilot and other staff wages, maintenance costs are the areas that Ryanair pressurised.

Today they and Aer Lingus have reduced the number of maintenance organisations. They will probably reap the reward - higher maintenance costs. That is how it works.

RATM · 12-02-2009 11:40PM

There's a lot of doom and gloom on this thread, and indeed, on AH in general over the last week.

Losing a job is definitely a shock to the system, there can be no doubt that the uncertainty that it brings induces stress as to the future of your kids, how to pay the mortgage, the car loan, credit cards, wedding loans, education savings for the future and even a pension to secure a nice retirement.

However people here should start to recognise how lucky we are here. By fortune of geography we are within the richest 5% of a global population which is now tipping the 7.5 billion mark. We have cars, electricity that is consistent, health and education systems that rank with the best in the world, decent human rights and the freedom to do as we please to further enrich our lives.

A majority of the world's citizens are not so lucky, they were born in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Not by choice they find themselves in a constant daily struggle to survive. Even if they can survive the political regimes they live under the same systems then serve to repress them based on their ethnicity, sex or creed.

We're dam lucky here in relative terms, real dam lucky. We don't have to worry if our newborn will see the dawn of a new day or if there'll be a crop failure that will devastate the only income we have.

I'm not being facetious by posting this, nor am I trying to stir sh1t. I'm just saying put things into a global perspective and realise, in real terms, how lucky we truly are.

Whispered · 12-02-2009 11:41PM

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

I'm in the same boat. 25. While my mates were

having a party

, I was saving for my house. Working 14 hour days, 6 days a week. My pay has just been cut by 5% and I still count myself lucky to have a job. Many people in my company don't have the same luxury. I reckon I have 2-3 months left in my job, if I'm lucky. If buying a house can be considered partying then yeah, I'm an ass for doing it and deserve to loose everything I've worked so hard for. :rolleyes:

ntlbell · 13-02-2009 12:21AM

helena.ryan wrote: »

I'm in the same boat. 25. While my mates were , I was saving for my house. Working 14 hour days, 6 days a week. My pay has just been cut by 5% and I still count myself lucky to have a job. Many people in my company don't have the same luxury. I reckon I have 2-3 months left in my job, if I'm lucky. If buying a house can be considered partying then yeah, I'm an ass for doing it and deserve to loose everything I've worked so hard for. :rolleyes:

right, not everyone IS/WAS having a party, but there was a pretty damn big one and because of your age you might have missed the peak of it. my point was to those who were having the party and now comes the huge hangover but everyone will get the blame bar themselves.

for people working away trying to get by day to day have my sympathy

these are not the people i was referring to

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 13-02-2009 12:35AM

Mairt wrote: »

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

A lot of posts you could have saved me from mairt, why didn't you post this earlier... just pop into any of the "people on the dole are scum" or "there's lots of jobs but yer all too useless and lazy to work" threads and you will see what I mean.

I wish I joined the army when I was going to... I will never know if going to college first was the best option. Saying that, when I went to college the age limit on the army was slightly differant, and even moreso for those who served in the RDF...

Setun · 13-02-2009 12:38AM

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

Oh ffs, it would appear he's not trolling.

How the hell can you make such generalisations like that? So the fact that my family is now in a spot of financial trouble like the majority of Ireland is due to the fact that they've been living beyod their means?
Oh, ok, grand. I'll just tell them not to go on all those holidays they never went on. And then I'll mention to my ol' man about how he could maybe work for 13 hours tomorrow instead of 12? Hmmm. Yes, we've been careless. Oh, and not accounting for various unfortunate incidents including the family home being burnt to the ground - everything gone, including my lego /boo hiss! - about 10 years ago, which we're still recovering from? Everybody has a different story, we're not all "dishonest" tradesmen living beyond our means.
/rant
Bloody hell, I'm going back to read the Teens in the Wild thread.

Jules · 13-02-2009 12:41AM

There is a lot of doom and gloom around these parts is right. But we have to remember every generation has gone through it. All you have to do is buckle down, count our pennies and just keep going. I'm in the same situation as most people one income for two people, just signed a lease on an appartment, bills to pay food to get into the tummy. But we just have to be positive. It will get better eventually, it may get worse before, but we just have to get the head down keep moving forward, looking for jobs. But remember to be thankful for what we do have in life.

ntlbell · 13-02-2009 12:50AM

Daddio wrote: »

Oh ffs, it would appear he's not trolling.

How the hell can you make such generalisations like that? So the fact that my family is now in a spot of financial trouble like the majority of Ireland is due to the fact that they've been living beyod their means?
Oh, ok, grand. I'll just tell them not to go on all those holidays they never went on. And then I'll mention to my ol' man about how he could maybe work for 13 hours tomorrow instead of 12? Hmmm. Yes, we've been careless. Oh, and not accounting for various unfortunate incidents including the family home being burnt to the ground - everything gone, including my lego /boo hiss! - about 10 years ago, which we're still recovering from? Everybody has a different story, we're not all "dishonest" tradesmen living beyond our means.
/rant
Bloody hell, I'm going back to read the Teens in the Wild thread.

Very easily.

I have no idea why you're particular family are in financial difficulties and I'm not just talking about tradesman I'm talking about everyone from people cleaning floors upper management to CEO's

The vast majority have got them selves into a huge amount of debt

be it 100% mortgages 10 X there income over 40 years.
going on multiple holidays
lashing the credit card out of it.

obviously not everyone but a HUGE amount of people. then you add in people adding second and 3rd houses invest properties etc debt on debt on debt

the levels of personal debt is the highest here in the EU that's not because we're all very sensibile and have been living within our means it means we've all been spending someone elses money loading up on debt because we thought the party would never end.

the party is over, there's a lot of sick hangovers.

this is not some fantasy this is the reality of the sitation, and my point was if you were involved in this i haven't an ounce of sympathy for one losing their job

if not, then I have compasspion for those people.

but to try and claim this is down to a small minority is just redic.

taidghbaby · 13-02-2009 12:51AM

ah lads in fairness to ntlbell he does make ONE good point - many trades/businesses etc have overcharged and earned a lot of money over the last while by basically holding people over a barrell!! And yes there have also been many people giving good value for money in that same period!

However i firmly believe that once we do get out of this recession we will make all the same mistakes again - as a community/country/species we are incapable of control!

ntlbell · 13-02-2009 12:53AM

taidghbaby wrote: »

ah lads in fairness to ntlbell he does make ONE good point - many trades/businesses etc have overcharged and earned a lot of money over the last while by basically holding people over a barrell!! And yes there have also been many people giving good value for money in that same period!

However i firmly believe that once we do get out of this recession we will make all the same mistakes again - as a community/country/species we are incapable of control!

of course a lot will continue to make the same mistakes.

a lot of people in this mess are old enough to have seen it before and more than once and they still jumped in with two feet

jimmycrackcorm · 13-02-2009 12:58AM

ntlbell wrote: »

of course a lot will continue to make the same mistakes.

a lot of people in this mess are old enough to have seen it before and more than once and they still jumped in with two feet

I'm afraid we are going to take such a hiding from this depression that it will be 40 years and World War 3 before the same mistakes happen again.

gurramok · 13-02-2009 01:14AM

ntlbell wrote:

obviously not everyone but a HUGE amount of people.

Thats the key, some did, some did not. Now we have people from both camps fallen on bad times.
Think your original posts were unintendedly aimed at the latter crowd when they should of been aimed at the first crowd hence the outrage, all a misunderstanding i think

Tom Trojan · 13-02-2009 02:34AM

Let it fly!

Setun · 13-02-2009 09:38AM

ntlbell wrote: »

Very easily.

I have no idea why you're particular family are in financial difficulties and I'm not just talking about tradesman I'm talking about everyone from people cleaning floors upper management to CEO's

The vast majority have got them selves into a huge amount of debt

be it 100% mortgages 10 X there income over 40 years.
going on multiple holidays
lashing the credit card out of it.

obviously not everyone but a HUGE amount of people. then you add in people adding second and 3rd houses invest properties etc debt on debt on debt

the levels of personal debt is the highest here in the EU that's not because we're all very sensibile and have been living within our means it means we've all been spending someone elses money loading up on debt because we thought the party would never end.

the party is over, there's a lot of sick hangovers.

this is not some fantasy this is the reality of the sitation, and my point was if you were involved in this i haven't an ounce of sympathy for one losing their job

if not, then I have compasspion for those people.

but to try and claim this is down to a small minority is just redic.

Well I was just giving an example into how complicated everyone's situations can be. My family are by no means the worst off in Ireland, but things could begin to get very tough for everyone if college fees are brought in, or whatever else tehy're planning on bringing in. As you can tell, I'm still hurting after the loss of the lego

I do get your point though, to an extent. I would feel sorry for any honest person who loses their job, or any business person who has to go into their work one day and tell their employees that there's no work for them, while the people who mis-managed the country's finances/got involved in all sorts of frowned-upon activities are essentially getting a paid holiday.

sunnyside · 13-02-2009 12:17PM

ntlbell wrote: »

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

I completely agree with this. I always had student loans through college (needed to live on) but this continued on after college. I always made the repayments so credit rating improved and improved all the time. Credit card as well. Any time the credit card balance got too high I got a consolidation loan to clear it so that I wouldn't be paying high interest rates. I usually organized those loans over the phone. I thought nothing of getting loans for holidays or anything else I needed. €50/60 a week repayments were considered perfectly managable. As in "it's only €60", same for anything I was buying.

My last loan was a car loan last summer for €10,000. Now I wish I'd bought something much cheaper. I'm still working but on a very average salary. Right now there are so many loan repayments and bills going out of my account I'm lucky to have €40-60 a week left to live on. If that had happened this time last year I'd have been on the phone to the bank again to consolidate the loans thus reducing the repayments but allowing me to run up more debt in a very stress free manner.

Do people recall it was much easier for people with debt to get loans because so long as you were meeting the repayments your credit rating was good. If you didn't have loans you didn't really have a credit rating at all with the banks.

RATM wrote: »

the future of your kids, how to pay the mortgage, the car loan, credit cards, wedding loans, education savings for the future and even a pension to secure a nice retirement.

.

Yes I have a massive list of monthly costs too even though I have no children. I just don't understand it sometimes because I do know people who never seem to have any expenses at all and have never borrowed anything.

I worry about job losses too, was scared watching Prime Time last night.

Puddleduck · 13-02-2009 02:03PM

Im so sick of the recession. I lost my job, I still feel bad for those that have a house, a baby or whatever other huge bills they have. Those that are pregnant that have to leave after working years in a job with no maternity money to help them through.

Unlike everyone else who was partying apparently, I worked ever since I left school, I couldnt afford college and my parents earned too much, by a fraction, in order for me to get a grant. I saved up and went to college for a year, this ate up my funds and I had to leave, without finishing the course.

Now Im out of a job, I cant go to fcukin college coz Ive no money and getting a grant seems impossible, I also feel a little bit too old to be arsing around in college. So Ill have to do several smallish cheap courses and pray to God that I can get a job off of that. Btw, for those saying 'Jump Ship' Emigrating costs money, something you dont have when your out of a job.
What really pisses me off is all this nonsense finger pointing goin on, its a glorified pissing contest on who has what. In the end does it really matter? No! We'll still be in a recession, companies will still use this as an excuse to up and leave to find cheaper labour. People need to get over themselves, fair play to those that will manage to bear the brunt of the recession.

Highsider · 13-02-2009 02:14PM

Puddleduck wrote: »

Im so sick of the recession. I lost my job, I still feel bad for those that have a house, a baby or whatever other huge bills they have. Those that are pregnant that have to leave after working years in a job with no maternity money to help them through.

Unlike everyone else who was partying apparently, I worked ever since I left school, I couldnt afford college and my parents earned too much, by a fraction, in order for me to get a grant. I saved up and went to college for a year, this ate up my funds and I had to leave, without finishing the course.

Now Im out of a job, I cant go to fcukin college coz Ive no money and getting a grant seems impossible, I also feel a little bit too old to be arsing around in college. So Ill have to do several smallish cheap courses and pray to God that I can get a job off of that. Btw, for those saying 'Jump Ship' Emigrating costs money, something you dont have when your out of a job.
What really pisses me off is all this nonsense finger pointing goin on, its a glorified pissing contest on who has what. In the end does it really matter? No! We'll still be in a recession, companies will still use this as an excuse to up and leave to find cheaper labour. People need to get over themselves, fair play to those that will manage to bear the brunt of the recession.

Agree with you 100% on the "jumping ship" part. You would need at the very least 1000 euro after you paid for your plane fares and try getting that without a job and being on the dole. And from what i've heard anyway's America and Canada in particular have become increasingly strict in the last couple of months when it comes to possible illegal immigrants. For what it's worth do the small courses in college and hope for the best.

John Mason · 13-02-2009 02:15PM

i have to say my heart goes out to everyone who has lost their job

i am in the PS and we have just made 50 people redundant, they are finishing up next week.

i come into to work today to find out another 25 have to go.

to say i am ****ting, is putting it mildly.

i have loads of friends who were let go and they have been searching for working for months with no joy.

it is unbelievable to think that 1400 jobs can be lost in one day and this has all happened in teh space of 6 months.

i have a mortgage to pay, my house wasnt overly overpriced when i bought it. i havent been out partying and having foreign holidays for the last 5 years, i have been working on my house and building a home and the thoughts of losing my job and losing my home makes me think that perhaps i should have been out partying all the time rather then working hard to build a stable life for myself.

what is happening to our country is horrible but we really should be sticking together and supporting each other rather then placing blame on anyone we can think of

Rowley Birkin QC · 13-02-2009 02:27PM

I'm graduating in about 5 months, I see no other option than to emigrate.

The lack of prospects really is starting to get me down. However, part of me is glad that it is this year that I am graduating and not 18-24 months ago where unemployment would be looming coupled with the possibility of mortgage/car loan payments.

Today I feel like I've dodged a bullet..

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