Today I feel like I've dodged a bullet..

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 07:31PM #1

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

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Seifer · 12-02-2009 07:33PM

DAP = Dublin Airport Port?

Kimbot · 12-02-2009 07:35PM

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP, so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

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As a fellow public servant I agree with you mate, we are lucky and I feel really sorry for all these people that have lost their jobs.

We have to find a way out but politicians won't listen to people these days because they think they know better so it will be a long time before we are out of this mess.

phasers · 12-02-2009 07:36PM

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

12-02-2009 07:40PM

Mairt wrote: »

Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me.

I'm living near DAP (Dublin AirPort), so alot of those guys losing their jobs are friends and neighbours. I just can't imagine how devastating it must be.

As a public servant I appricate how lucky I am in these awful times, and I haven't advocated strikes etc (I'm in the Defence Forces so that option isn't available to me, and I've never agreed with strikes either), but the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sorry, I know I'm on a little rant. But I genuinely feel so damned sorry for private sector workers at the moment, in a lot of instances I think your being arse raped and I fear for my childrens future now too.

I thought I'd escaped the 70's and 80's fairly well, only to find now that my son is a year off college its all fvcked back in my face again.

Just wanted to get than sh*t off my mind.

I do appricate that these days I'm very lucky, and I do genuinely feel for the majority of you guys out there with a less than certain future.

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after seein how lucky you are, you still gonna go protest about wages?

cabra64 · 12-02-2009 07:44PM

Mairt wrote: »

the constant news and talk of recession and redundancies has really stressed me recently, to a point that I rarely listen to recession talk.

Sick of bloody recession-casting myself too. Every single news bulletin, late night talk show or formly decent channel is just flooded with this topic. Talking ourselves deeper and deeper into it. DArcy today had the odd one out quiz for people who are hiring! first bit of optimistic content of the day at about half nine.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 07:46PM

phasers wrote: »

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

Yes, and it genuinely has.

I just can not imagine how horrible it must be for those guys (my neighbours and friends) going home to their families this evening with this news.

I was at Judo training the other night, afterwards one of the lads was handing out business cards, "whats this for John"? says I...

"My son is an electrition (sp'ing?), he's out of work and can't get a job".

My heart sank, I looked at John (a father and grandfather) and felt sad. Sad that a man should be looking for work for his son like this.

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ntlbell · 12-02-2009 07:53PM

Mairt wrote: »

Yes, and it genuinely has.

I just can not imagine how horrible it must be for those guys (my neighbours and friends) going home to their families this evening with this news.

I was at Judo training the other night, afterwards one of the lads was handing out business cards, "whats this for John"? says I...

"My son is an electrition (sp'ing?), he's out of work and can't get a job".

My heart sank, I looked at John (a father and grandfather) and felt sad. Sad that a man should be looking for work for his son like this.

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Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

Dord · 12-02-2009 08:02PM

Seifer wrote: »

DAP = Dublin Airport Port?

Yeah, I think that's a little made up. :P
Dublin Airports IATA code is DUB.

Odysseus · 12-02-2009 08:02PM

I'm in the PS myself and I have to concur with you Marit. I remember only too well seeing the men on my road lose their jobs one by one in the 80s. I left Dublin myself when I was 19, and tbh honest its in the back of my mind again. I remember how crappy it was and think that I should at least look at the option of heading off again.

I'm hopefully in a secure job but I don't think anybody can be 100% in saying that. The downside in looking at heading off is I'm now 39 not 19:( That is a big difference to add to the equation.

Kirnsy · 12-02-2009 08:08PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

i understand you're trying to stir **** up...

but seriously,im pretty sure not everyone was "buying up half of portugal"

try telling that to the staff of Waterford Glass

chalad07 · 12-02-2009 08:08PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

Why bother to post crap like that mate? A lot of people are having a hard enough time with out listening to 'tough ****'.

That post just stinks of 'oh, i'm going to post something controversial just to get a reaction'. Grow up.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 08:09PM

Odysseus wrote: »

I'm in the PS myself and I have to concur with you Marit. I remember only too well seeing the men on my road lose their jobs one by one in the 80s. I left Dublin myself when I was 19, and tbh honest its in the back of my mind again. I remember how crappy it was and think that I should at least look at the option of heading off again.

I'm hopefully in a secure job but I don't think anybody can be 100% in saying that. The downside in looking at heading off is I'm now 39 not 19:( That is a big difference to add to the equation.

Oh, I remember those days too.

And young people (the majority of AH users I suspect) think the party has been as long as 20 years (their first Christmas and good presents maybe).

But I remember sitting down with my wife about 12 years ago, going through oour financies and we were literally living week to week.

Thats when I done most of my oversea's service (Lebanon), just to get money.

At least I'd that option (I still have, and have recently volunteered for Kosovo & Bosnia). But the vast majority of workers being made redundant these days have laid down roots in their neighbourhoods, bought houses and started families. Those people have no where to go.

Tell ya what, I'm thanking my lucky star's this evening.

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Tawny · 12-02-2009 08:09PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

If they haven't been going on 3/4 holidays a year replacing the car every two years and buying up half of portugal then they should have a nice nest egg put away get a good package from the redundency and get to start off again.

if they have been pissing away our new found wealth

tough ****.

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 08:11PM

Kirnsy wrote: »

i understand you're trying to stir **** up...

but seriously,im pretty sure not everyone was "buying up half of portugal"

try telling that to the staff of Waterford Glass

chalad07 wrote: »

Why bother to post crap like that mate? A lot of people are having a hard enough time with out listening to 'tough ****'.

That post just stinks of 'oh, i'm going to post something controversial just to get a reaction'. Grow up.

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:12PM

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

Odysseus · 12-02-2009 08:14PM

We were luckly my Dad was never let go, but things were very tight. It only when I look back I see how much of a devestating blow this was to my mates dad's. The worked hard then suddenly there was no work.

I have put roots down myself now, so I don't think I will move on unless forced. I can remember blokes working on sites with me whilst their families where back here, they had no choice really but to follow the work.

Tawny · 12-02-2009 08:15PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Then you're young enough to get yourself into a good position for the next one

Canada's nice.

You go to Canada. I'll retrain and have your job then

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:15PM

Mairt wrote: »

Jesus lads, don't take a fvcking bait.

Leave him to stew in his ignorance.

How is it ignorance Mairt?

If you have been working for the last 5-10 years and living well in your means you should have little debt, you'll have a very afforadable mortgage, you will have a good savings and you'll have 200-240e single and god knows what with kids a week to help you untill you're back on your feet

if you're just out of college then go travel and enjoy yourself.

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

good man.

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:16PM

Tawny wrote: »

You go to Canada. I'll retrain and have your job then

I might bloody have to

cabra64 · 12-02-2009 08:17PM

Tawny wrote: »

What if your 27? I haven't had any party and I'm still screwed.

Consider leaving this sinking ship for work else where?! My cousin was 26 and just packed it off to canada b4 christmas. Spoke to her yesterday-happy out. Working two jobs and having a ball. She's not a huge party person (ie she's not living a student lifestyle) she's more or less decided to stay there. She saved up for flight and money working two bar jobs at home. Being passive in these times is crazy. ever considered collecting glasses in a pub on a saturday night or cleaning the toilets on a sunday money. Work for cash.

Zebra3 · 12-02-2009 08:19PM

ntlbell wrote: »

Look

people have had 15-20 years of a party.

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:20PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

1990 wasn't bad

Zebra3 · 12-02-2009 08:23PM

ntlbell wrote: »

1990 wasn't bad

If you were a politican in government the WC was a handy distraction from the mass unemployment and emigration.

tricky D · 12-02-2009 08:25PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

'89 was a barrel of laughs was it? :rolleyes:

And it went on til 93 for some sectors.

And then throw in the dot com bust of 2000.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 08:26PM

ntlbell wrote: »

coming on starting threads and going on like eamon dunphy and then call me a troll?

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1. I'm way better looking than Eamon Dunphy.

2. I never called you a troll.

3. If the cap fits however

But I do think your displaying, either your youth (innocence) or your total ignorance of how the vast majority of the working class have lived their lives in the last decade.

Most of my mates have worked exceptionally hard in the last few years, and yes they've felt good that they'd money. So they provided a better standard of living for their families, maybe changed the car more often or took an extra holiday a year. Or even bought a house, I grew up in a corpo flat in Ballymun so buying my house was a huge achievment for me.

I hardly know a soul who've lived vastly beyond their means, but I can point to people who are now clearly living beyond THEIR COUNTRIES means, and tearing you and I a new arse hole in the process.

Their sitting back and laughing while they turn this country against one and other, they turn private sector worker against his mate in the public sector.

Its frightening how quickly this country is going downhill, so I'd wipe the smug smile off my face if I were you, because you've painted a totally opposite picture of the working men and women of this country that I and many, many more like me know.

*edit, just wanted to point that out to you. Continue to stir the sh*t and I'll continue to ask others (and myself) not to take your bait.

Dudess · 12-02-2009 08:33PM

phasers wrote: »

"Dear diary,Although as a public servant it was never going to have my name on it, however todays job losses in Dublin Airport has really rocked me."

Empathy - try it some time. I'm a public sector worker too, but contract, and there's a good chance I'll be out of a job this year, but I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months, while his wife has just been laid off and they've three children and a relatively new mortgage. Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

And there are certainly people who acted like idiots with the cash during the boom years, but that doesn't mean everyone else deserves to suffer.

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:35PM

Mairt wrote: »

1. I'm way better looking than Eamon Dunphy.

2. I never called you a troll.

3. If the cap fits however

But I do think your displaying, either your youth (innocence) or your total ignorance of how the vast majority of the working class have lived their lives in the last decade.

Most of my mates have worked exceptionally hard in the last few years, and yes they've felt good that they'd money. So they provided a better standard of living for their families, maybe changed the car more often or took an extra holiday a year. Or even bought a house, I grew up in a corpo flat in Ballymun so buying my house was a huge achievment for me.

I hardly know a soul who've lived vastly beyond their means, but I can point to people who are now clearly living beyond THEIR COUNTRIES means, and tearing you and I a new arse hole in the process.

Their sitting back and laughing while they turn this country against one and other, they turn private sector worker against his mate in the public sector.

Its frightening how quickly this country is going downhill, so I'd wipe the smug smile off my face if I were you, because you've painted a totally opposite picture of the working men and women of this country that I and many, many more like me know.

I'm not smug at all I just think time has to be called from all the sensationalist rubbish that's been thrown around the place.

I was born and rared in tallaght with not a pot to piss in so I know all too well about hard times I'm not some upper class twat born with a silverspoon in his mouth.

I'm old enough to remember the early 80's but I don't see what that has to do with it.

if you think people have been living within their means for the last few years you're delusional

don't have the highest credit card debt in europe?

are we not the ones who borrow 40k from the credit unions for a deposit on a house?

have i been living in a different reality to you?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-02-2009 08:38PM

Dudess wrote: »

Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

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And that just about sum's up my initial post, thanks.

Sierra Oscar · 12-02-2009 08:38PM

And another 477 jobs gone in Limerick today. Things are going from bad to worse, thats for sure.

ntlbell · 12-02-2009 08:40PM

Dudess wrote: »

Empathy - try it some time. I'm a public sector worker too, but contract, and there's a good chance I'll be out of a job this year, but I was talking to a woman whose son is a tradesman and hasn't found work in months, while his wife has just been laid off and they've three children and a relatively new mortgage. Heartbreaking - and absolutely terrifying for them. I realise I'm one of the lucky ones.

And there are certainly people who acted like idiots with the cash during the boom years, but that doesn't mean everyone else deserves to suffer.

wonder if this was the same tradesman that tried to break my heart for 50k to build a small extension.

Today I feel like I've dodged a bullet..

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