N7 Limerick To Nenagh Construction

Sierra Oscar

Does anyone know if work on the N7 Nenagh To Limerick construction is going through difficulties?

I have noticed that work at both the roundabout at the Finnegans exit and the Birdhill exit has virtually come to a standstill since Christmas. The project was well ahead of time a few months back, but things do seem to have slowed down - it is due for opening in Q2 of this year afterall.

There was controversy with sub contractors before Christmas, as they were not paid. Anyone know how long is left for construction?

M7 subcontractors to be paid 'before Christmas'

Zoney

Dunno, but it looks like the upgrade of the Nenagh Bypass from standard two lane road to narrow motorway is on track for Q2 - it's part of the Limerick-Nenagh scheme (although it would seem the eastern junction on the bypass is part of Nenagh-Castletown). You can even see some blue signs up (covers came off them) - the 3-2-1 markers for the new Thurles junction as you proceed west.

I've seen work on the westernmost junction/tie-in to the upgraded Nenagh bypass too, and work on other sections of the route between Nenagh and Limerick.

I agree the work on the flyover for the N7/M7 at Newport Roundabout outside Limerick seems to have stalled.

Amtmann

It's important to remember that on such road schemes the contractors often divide the road into two or three sections, and often concentrate on one of these at a time. But at the same time, something's definitely not quite right on that particular scheme.

Zoney

Well, my guess is it will actually be early Q4 that the scheme is finished. Maybe late Q3 if the weather is good throughout May/June (not unusual, it was good weather in Limerick from early May until two weeks into June last year despite the overall poor summer).

Amtmann

Guys, we really need to get some photos of the M7 schemes! We have none, apart from a few contributions from Quirke Folder/Berty on the infrastructure forum, but even these are now 2 months or more out of date.

Sponge Bob

Coffey are doing the Nenagh bypass bit from what I know. The unpaid subbies were working further south and not for Coffey ... and have not been paid yet either .

Q2 2009 is but a pipedream bar the Nenagh Bypass widening perhaps .

BluntGuy

My bet is the end of the year as well. There has been something wrong with this scheme for a while now. It wasn't going as fast as it should've been.

I get the same feeling from the Portlaoise-Castletown scheme. Progress seems too slow. It's too early to start making predictions about Castetown-Nenagh at this stage.

mysterious

BluntGuy wrote: »

I get the same feeling from the Portlaoise-Castletown scheme. Progress seems too slow. It's too early to start making predictions about Castetown-Nenagh at this stage.

feeling?? In other words you dont know.:rolleyes:

Have you actually seen the progress on the Nenagh to castletown road? Or your just basing ur assumptions on feelings??

I passed it the other day. The Moneygall earthworks, is massive. The Castletown scheme is on target. There is a slight delay in the Nenagh to Limerick section, but NRA state it will finish in in Q2 this year. Nobody actually knows when it will be completed.

It really annoys me when people, ramble.........

mysterious

The Nenagh bypass, what is the actual width of the new road. It can be motorway width all the way from the Toomevara end apart, from the Five alley to Dolla road overbridge been narrow (the Limerick side) These two bridges are too narrow for a full blown motorway

Amtmann

mysterious wrote: »

I passed it the other day. The Moneygall earthworks, is massive.

Mysterious is it possible for you to take some photographs at some point?

Zoney

mysterious wrote: »

The Nenagh bypass, what is the actual width of the new road. It can be motorway width all the way from the Toomevara end apart, from the Five alley to Dolla road overbridge been narrow (the Limerick side) These two bridges are too narrow for a full blown motorway

The width on each carriageway is 2 narrow running lanes and a hard shoulder that is narrower still than the running lanes (about the width of the new M50 lanes - i.e. standard European width rather than the wide ones we are accustomed to). You can observe the finished cross-section including concrete median barrier at the eastern end of the bypass - the final surface has even been applied on the westbound carriageway (if not both carriageways now) between the west side of the eastern-most bridge, and the new Thurles Road junction.

It looks like there will be "gaps" in the hard shoulder over/under a couple of the bridges. The bridges at either end of the bypass look a tight squeeze for even the running lanes.

It'll certainly be one of the most cobbled-together bits of motorway in the country when it's done. Not a bad acheivement to upgrade standard two lane carriageway (not wide two lane) to two-lane motorway!

Chris_533976

It'll be interesting to see how they do it, as the same ideas will have to be used with the Croom bypass is dualled for the M20, and the long term plans to do Midleton - Youghal will involve dualling the Youghal bypass.

Amtmann

There were further details on the problem with this scheme in last week's Tipperary Star (dated Jan. 17 2009, p. 1.12).

Basically, in summation:

* Serious doubt has been cast over the project as the payment-to-contractor problems deepen;
* The deadline of May 2009 is "unlikely" to be met;
* Over 25 sub-contractors working on the project continue to be owed money by Portuguese company RAC Eire;
* Coffey Construction, one of the trinity of companies making up Bothair Hibernian, the main NRA contractor, did not return to work after Christmas;
* Work originally to be carried out by RAC Eire has now been taken over by Moto Engil, another componant company making up Bothair Eireann;
* Nenagh SF Councillor Seamie Morris has written to the Portuguese Ambassador to request that the Portuguese Government intervene in the situation;
* RAC Eire has "departed" from the project.


By the way, there are some quare folk in Nenagh:

"Allowing North Tipperary's road network to deteriorate might help slow traffic and reduce fatalities caused by car accidents, the county's mayor, Councillor Joe Hennessy declared this week." -- The Nenagh Guardian, 24 January 2009, p. 3.

KevR

Furet wrote: »

By the way, there are some quare folk in Nenagh:

"Allowing North Tipperary's road network to deteriorate might help slow traffic and reduce fatalities caused by car accidents, the county's mayor, Councillor Joe Hennessy declared this week." -- The Nenagh Guardian, 24 January 2009, p. 3.

Honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Yet another public figure attributing road accidents to speed and only speed. I honestly don't know how it's not obvious to people that bad roads play just as big (if not bigger) a part as speed. It's hardly coincidence that, despite there being many more cars on the road now, we've had the lowest road deaths since the early 60s in this country in the same year we've replaced a lot of lethal N roads with brand new motorways which are many times safer. But, yeah, we may aswell let our roads deteriorate to the point where people will lose control of their cars when the hit the big potholes/bumps in the road. It can only help reduce road deaths...

dowlingm

mysterious wrote: »

feeling?? In other words you dont know.:rolleyes:

[snip]

It really annoys me when people, ramble.........

Jayz this board would get fierce quiet if you had your way

BluntGuy

Furet wrote: »

"Allowing North Tipperary's road network to deteriorate might help slow traffic and reduce fatalities caused by car accidents, the county's mayor, Councillor Joe Hennessy declared this week." -- The Nenagh Guardian, 24 January 2009, p. 3.

And maybe if it deteriorates enough: nobody will drive anywhere and there'll be NO accidents.

Why didn't anybody think of this before?

Basically, in summation:

* Serious doubt has been cast over the project as the payment-to-contractor problems deepen;
* The deadline of May 2009 is "unlikely" to be met;
* Over 25 sub-contractors working on the project continue to be owed money by Portuguese company RAC Eire;
* Coffey Construction, one of the trinity of companies making up Bothair Hibernian, the main NRA contractor, did not return to work after Christmas;
* Work originally to be carried out by RAC Eire has now been taken over by Moto Engil, another componant company making up Bothair Eireann;
* Nenagh SF Councillor Seamie Morris has written to the Portuguese Ambassador to request that the Portuguese Government intervene in the situation;
* RAC Eire has "departed" from the project.

Slightly different to the NRA's assurances that things were going fine only a couple of weeks ago.

road_high

Has to be the single most idiotic thing ever said by an Irish councillor, and that's saying something

mysterious

Furet wrote: »

Mysterious is it possible for you to take some photographs at some point?

Furet, I will do over the next week or two. Anytime I was on the N7 lately it was dark.

I actually passed the whole length of the Nenagh bypass this evening. Zoney is right the road is defenately full blown motorway, and the reclassification will go through no problem I'm sure. Infact from the Toomevara bridge to the Thurles interchange. it's already finished with a full width motorway. The lanes do look a bit narrower or something from my perception, maybe it's just cus the bollards are on the white lines, making it appear tighter. There is even a hard shoulder and has a proper standard width of 2.5m, so thats a good sign. I was observing the bridges, the Dolla and the Limerick end bridges are pain in the ****ing ar***. Even back in 1999 they should of at least given room for widening in future reference. I just can't understand it. I remember reading sources and listening to the local politicians around the time of the planning of this bypass. They were actually considering building it as motorway or at least dual carriegway. The Nenagh bypass began around the same time as the Arklow bypass (which was built with simalar type junctions but having an extra lane rather than being S2. The first two bridges on the Nenagh bypass were planned too narrow. This was the Tipp council's fault at the time. They made a b*** of it. So The main contractor Coffey just build according to what they were told too. To prove my case, the next bridge past the N52/R445 five alley flyover, is actually very wide and can easily fit a full blown cross section motorway with 4 running 3.5 lanes, 3.5metre median and two HS.

It was a really stupid blunder with the Nenagh bypass now that they are spending millions to work around these bridges!. Just by undoing the mistakes of the past. Can we learn :mad:
The bridges are just simply redicoulously narrow for the standard type of road they put in. I.e a two lane road with motorway charististics interchanges etc and no grade/level crossing traffic.


On a side note, The very year the Nenagh bypass was opened Fianna fail planned the interurbans:rolleyes: so ****ing ironic eh. The Nenagh bypass was officially outdated the week it opened. Sometimes I really wonder how we actually manage to have such retarded dinosaurs running this country.............

mysterious

mfitzy wrote: »

Has to be the single most idiotic thing ever said by an Irish councillor, and that's saying something

I actually think it has to be some sort publicity stunt. it's that retarded. It appeared on all the local papers.

It's a bit Like Tom cruise going on about scientology to get publicity.

This local politician fits into this lunacy.....

serfboard

mfitzy wrote: »

Has to be the single most idiotic thing ever said by an Irish councillor, and that's saying something

mysterious wrote: »

Sometimes I really wonder how we actually manage to have such retarded dinosaurs running this country.............

Because we keep voting the same muppets in time & again. One definition of madness is to continuously repeat the same pattern and expect a different result. Seems very apt in this country.

Amtmann

I had a look at this today.

Firstly I recorded a video of the Nenagh Bypass as it was today, from east to west. For some reason I can't embed videos here anymore, so here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQKmkUuVGQ

Secondly, I have some pictures...

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The N-L scheme looking towards the tie-in with the Nenagh Bypass from the Limerick side.


The N-L scheme looking towards Limerick from just off the N7 past the Limerick end of the Nenagh Bypass.


The L-N scheme close to Birdhill looking towards Limerick.


The L-N scheme close to Birdhill looking towards Nenagh.


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It was difficult to get more pictures, because there aren't many overbridges along this section. Mostly, underpasses are used to realign the L and R roads. I think this will be a stunning drive when it's finished - but that's the catch, isn't it? From what I've seen, this scheme is now well behind the M8 M-F scheme. We can certainly rule out an opening of the M7 between Limerick and Nenagh before Q3 (and maybe even Q4) 2009.

BluntGuy

Thanks for the pictures and the video Furet. Great stuff as usual.

Nenagh Bypass - bits of it really look very tight. It's already apparent at this stage that substantial chunks of it won't have full-width hard shoulder.

mysterious

BluntGuy wrote: »

Thanks for the pictures and the video Furet. Great stuff as usual.

Nenagh Bypass - bits of it really look very tight. It's already apparent at this stage that substantial chunks of it won't have full-width hard shoulder.

Well they are knocking the Arch bridge on the Toomevara exit. So this means that there will be a HS from The entire bypass till you meet the Dolla road bridge. The bridge between Dollar and Limerick N52 overpass is wide enough to allow full HS. But the bridge at Limerick N52 should be knocked.


Its far to narrow and IMO it should be knocked. It is not acceptable given the fact that the M7 Limerick section ties right up to this narrow bridge.

I agree with Furet the M7 Limerick secion will be a stunning drive, it goes through untouched valleys. The road gradient and height is vastly different to that of the old N7. The old N7 is mainly on high ground.

The Viaduct over Kilmastulla and the Railway will be fairly cool, it would be simalar to the Blackwater viaduct over the Fermoy Bypass. I will take pics next week too furet. I have some pictures already, but I dont have the wires for the camera, so I have to get that so I can upload onto the computer.

Thanks for the pics also furet.

mysterious

Furet is it possible for you to tell me, what type of overbridges did they put in on the M7 Limerick section? I know there is very little overbridges, as not many significant roads cross the motorway as they are all local roads mainly that would be best as underpasses.

Are they the typical two pier span on either side, that gives no room for widining or is it one median pier with verges on the sides. The Cullahil Cashel schemes has many wide bridges. The Fermoy bypass has those horrible two pier overbridges.

Hope you can clarify this for me.

Amtmann

Yikes...I'm trying to remember...but I can't for sure. I think the pillars were in the centre of the road, not at the edges. I can't visualise anything else about them.

D'Peoples Voice

mfitzy wrote: »

Has to be the single most idiotic thing ever said by an Irish councillor, and that's saying something

Honestly?

Chris_533976

Thx again for pics and vids

Irish and Proud

mysterious wrote: »

Furet is it possible for you to tell me, what type of overbridges did they put in on the M7 Limerick section? I know there is very little overbridges, as not many significant roads cross the motorway as they are all local roads mainly that would be best as underpasses.

Are they the typical two pier span on either side, that gives no room for widining or is it one median pier with verges on the sides. The Cullahil Cashel schemes has many wide bridges. The Fermoy bypass has those horrible two pier overbridges.

Hope you can clarify this for me.

I've bad news for you mate!

Looking at the first of Furet's pictures, the bridge in the background looks (though very faint) like a 3-span structure with pillars at the verges.

Sorry about that!

Irish and Proud

Irish and Proud wrote: »

I've bad news for you mate!

Looking at the first of Furet's pictures, the bridge in the background looks (though very faint) like a 3-span structure with pillars at the verges.

Sorry about that!

I take it back...

...that bridge is the N52 link at the end of the Nenagh By-pass - previously thought it was a shot looking towards Limerick.

Sorry mate! :o:o

Amtmann

Well spotted I&P. I'm not sure if that distant bridge is original to the Nenagh Bypass, or if it's part of the new L-N section. It looks new though.

Irish and Proud

Furet wrote: »

Well spotted I&P. I'm not sure if that distant bridge is original to the Nenagh Bypass, or if it's part of the new L-N section.

I sure it's the former, because the circular loop is visible!

Nice vid of the Nenagh By-pass though!

Regards!

Amtmann

Ah. It's the same bridge I pass under at 7.24 of the bypass video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQKmkUuVGQ

Sponge Bob

Open by the end of May from the look of it

101sean

All the new overbridges on the mainline have central piers only. As far as I can remember, the underbridges include a hard shoulder and margin. Been 8 months since I was on site and my memory isn't what it used to be

mysterious

101sean wrote: »

All the new overbridges on the mainline have central piers only. As far as I can remember, the underbridges include a hard shoulder and margin. Been 8 months since I was on site and my memory isn't what it used to be

Good this means the Limerick Nenagh motorway can be widened.:D

Horray!

But on topic. I can't wait till this road is finished. The Nenagh Limerick Motorway goes through interesting terrain. It runs close to the Silvermnine mountains and it cut through a few vallys beside the railway. It aso crosses a river and a bog too.The alitude goes up and down a good bit. You will be able to see the Motorway alot from the old road.

P.S the soon to be R445 Limerick nenagh road is one of my favourite sections of nationaly primary route in the country. I don 't know why.

How is the Lisnagry interchange going.

mysterious

Furet wrote: »

Ah. It's the same bridge I pass under at 7.24 of the bypass video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQKmkUuVGQ

That is the Nenagh flyover. This was built when the bypass was constructed

I swear to god they better take the two pillars out on either side and place a central pillar in the middle. This way they can make a motorway fit through.

I've always thought about this when they retro fit bridges, is this possible?

I hate this bridge:mad:

101sean

That bridge is staying as is, the piers are well back.

It will be a fairly stunning drive with great views. A couple of the cuttings are very deep, Balinahinch is around 30m deep and very wide.

Heading north from there you'll come through another deep cutting on to the long Kilmastulla viaduct that crosses river and railway and then on 5km of embankment with good views of the Silvermines.

Amtmann

101sean wrote: »

That bridge is staying as is, the piers are well back.

It will be a fairly stunning drive with great views. A couple of the cuttings are very deep, Balinahinch is around 30m deep and very wide.

Heading north from there you'll come through another deep cutting on to the long Kilmastulla viaduct that crosses river and railway and then on 5km of embankment with good views of the Silvermines.

Sean, do you have any idea when this is now likely to open?

101sean

No, I'd say May was optimistic though :rolleyes:

I left site last July and to be honest it would appear that not much tarmac has happened since then going by the photos and video.

mysterious

101sean wrote: »

That bridge is staying as is, the piers are well back.

It will be a fairly stunning drive with great views. A couple of the cuttings are very deep, Balinahinch is around 30m deep and very wide.

Heading north from there you'll come through another deep cutting on to the long Kilmastulla viaduct that crosses river and railway and then on 5km of embankment with good views of the Silvermines.

It's only about 2metres of a gap. You won't put a HS through it.

Why can't they put a pillar in the middle and take the two out on the side. This means you have more room?

L1011

mysterious wrote: »

It's only about 2metres of a gap. You won't put a HS through it.

Why can't they put a pillar in the middle and take the two out on the side. This means you have more room?

Dependent on original design this may not be possible at all - would require replacing the deck too.

limericklad87

limerick leader last week.......

looks like it won't meet deadline

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Motorway-is-on-the-road.4973087.jp

BluntGuy

The M7 is turning out to be a bit of disaster in terms of progress. While segements of the M8, M6 and M9 are racing ahead, pretty much all the M7 segments (barring the Limerick Tunnel) don't seem to moving all that quickly.

M7 Limerick-Nenagh is turning out to be a massive dissappointment. Considering the scheme started in 2006, it is unbelievable that we are now staring at an almost certain inevitability that it won't finish this year.

Sierra Oscar

I know one of the main suppliers for rock for the scheme from the Newport area (don’t want to go naming any names), and they have not been supplying anything for the past few weeks apart from the few odd deliveries each week compared to dozens of deliveries around last November. His own business is in a bad shape now as a result, due to the fact that he invested heavily in machinery to be able to supply for the scheme.

I also personally know one of the main maintenance men who has the contract for repairing tyres for vehicles working on the scheme, and before Christmas he was on site each day and has not returned except for the odd job since - basically due to the fact that far fewer machinery are working on the scheme at the moment, so things certainly are not going as planned I would imagine.

Amtmann

The CBM is not yet laid on the westbound carriageway from what I've seen. This means that the surface is less than half done, and that the median cannot be laid. The landscaping is also not done. If they had the machines and workers they could probably have this open by late July. But sadly they don't have either of those things.

Sponge Bob

Given that they obviously cannot find a few bob to pay the plant operators who have been waiting months for payment ( since at least late summer) I believe that Nenagh-Limerick cannot be finished in 2009 .

EG , Have these asphalt plants appeared by any chance ??

http://www.tipperarystar.ie/news/Green-Light-for-Asphalt-Plants.4459329.jp

The Bord granted the license to RAC Eire/Bothar Hibernian to operate the plants at Ballycahill, Nenagh (beside existing Nenagh by-pass) and at Rossacreena, Annaholty, Birdhill (located adjacent to Birdhill NS).
North Tipperary County Council had previously granted RAC Eire and Bothar Hibernian licences for the manufacture of bitumen macadam and asphalt - for use on the new motorway which is currently under construction - at both sites.

Amtmann

The asphalt plant at Nenagh has been erected. It's visible here in the first photo beside that overbridge in the distance.

If you look at the photos you'll see that asphalt has been laid on the eastbound carriageway.

101sean

SO, I had a lot of dealings with rock import and the tyre guys were well employed due to state of haul roads. The rock import should have tailed off anyway but i've also heard the same stuff about other local major suppliers.

Won't speculate otherwise though as I'm no longer involved but I'm not surprised at what I'm hearing.

AFAIK, the on site asphalt and CBM plants were all running apart from the one at Birdhill. A deal was done with a local supplier on that one, plant was on site already waiting to be built but obviously wasn't.

Amtmann

Two Fridays ago the CBM crew on the Fermoy to Mitchelstown scheme finished their work and 25 men left the site. By Saturday afternoon, the batching plant had been dismantled and removed. It's a pity that red tape and dead contracts would prohibit this crew from taking over CBM duties on the Nenagh to Limerick scheme.

mysterious

Jesus christ where is the government on this. this is absaloutely dispicable. ****ing ***** in office I'm telling you.

If I had my way, and was that pissed off, I'd bloody shoot the entire fianna fail party. It's gone to that stage

First on the list.
Brian cowen
Martin Cullen
Noel Dempsey
Willie O Dea

There are retarded ****s. Get your act together you shower of bastards. One of these T.Ds should be onboard with this issue. Fianna fiail had two terms, failed every development plan, squandered all the money in every department. They are complete an utter failures in their departments

Most noticeably Noel Dempsey and Martin Cullen.

The only real achievement they could complete was the interurbans. Even this is now unlikely

I am so mad beyond belief. Cown shift your fat lob and do something. I'm so sick of this government.

Geogregor

mysterious wrote: »

Jesus christ where is the government on this. this is absaloutely dispicable. ****ing ***** in office I'm telling you.

If I had my way, and was that pissed off, I'd bloody shoot the entire fianna fail party. It's gone to that stage

First on the list.
Brian cowen
Martin Cullen
Noel Dempsey
Willie O Dea

There are retarded ****s. Get your act together you shower of bastards. One of these T.Ds should be onboard with this issue. Fianna fiail had two terms, failed every development plan, squandered all the money in every department. They are complete an utter failures in their departments

Most noticeably Noel Dempsey and Martin Cullen.

The only real achievement they could complete was the interurbans. Even this is now unlikely

I am so mad beyond belief. Cown shift your fat lob and do something. I'm so sick of this government.

I think this post has more to do with politics than N7