Supplying own parts for service

metricspaces

reverandkenjami wrote: »

Have you ever heard of higher rent/rates/wages/tax etc etc etc

All goods are dearer in Ireland. It costs more to do business here then in the UK.

As I said - Car parts are no different to any other goods a consumer may want to purchase. They are goods, simple as that. Why don't we see this massive price difference in other goods between the UK and Ireland?

I'm sorry but a 100% increase isn't explained by"higher rent/rates/wages/tax etc etc etc".

Darragh29

metricspaces wrote: »

As I said - Car parts are no different to any other goods a consumer may want to purchase. They are goods, simple as that. Why don't we see this massive price difference in other goods between the UK and Ireland?

You seem to be mixing up two things

1) Car parts prices.
2) The rates a mechanic has to charge in order to cover his costs.

Simple solution. Have your rates at a level that allows you cover your costs. There's no reason why you should be making money on car parts.

What planet are you living on, you can't get into f*cking Newry for all the southern cars going up there!!! They aren't all going up there to have their cars serviced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

samsemtex

reverandkenjami wrote: »

Have you ever heard of higher rent/rates/wages/tax etc etc etc

All goods are dearer in Ireland. It costs more to do business here then in the UK. If you can't see the difference you are blind my friend! Walk into debanhams or any UK retail outlet and look at the price tage. Why does the same piece of clothing cots £12.99 in the UK but €22 in Ireland? I think you are the one who does not understand economics!!

And i'm just gonna throw this out there:

I work for a main dealer.. We buy our parts off the distributor @ x amount and mark up 30%. Nothing worng with that, our trade customers(majority of our sales) get 10-15% discount. We make 15-20% profit on these parts. The problem lies on the fact our UK counterpart can buy the same part off their distrubutor for up to 25% cheaper than we can! How can we compete with that?

So you make up for this 25% extra you have to pay over UK dealers by adding another 30% on top of it? Then you charge labour rates ranging from 50% to 100% higher than your UK counterparts despite the real cost of labour being only marginally more expensive here than it is in Britain. Im sorry but your 25% higher price to pay the UK parts distributor seems to have been covered and then some.

Darragh29

samsemtex wrote: »

So you make up for this 25% extra you have to pay over UK dealers by adding another 30% on top of it? Then you charge labour rates ranging from 50% to 100% higher than your UK counterparts despite the real cost of labour being only marginally more expensive here than it is in Britain. Im sorry but your 25% higher price to pay the UK parts distributor seems to have been covered and then some.

Your not facing reality, it's not just your own labour costs that are substantially higher, EVERYTHING cost's substantially more! Your stationary costs more because the guy who does your stationary is paying himself more than his counterpart in NI/UK. The guy who is supplying him with raw materials is paying himself substantially more, so his raw materials are costing him more. The same goes for your ESB, do you think the workers in the electricity industry in the UK are on an average yearly income of 70K???

By the time I give you an invoice, there are around 20-30 odd different suppliers, all overpaying themselves, who themselves are paying way over the odds for their premises and facilities, who's businesses you are making a contribution towards, when you pay my invoice! Things like web design, site hosting, admin supplies, light & heat, telecoms, solicitors, annual accounting and CRO compliance costs, advertising, security, building insurance & maintenance, rent, rates, wages, pensions, water charges, waste disposal, vehicle HP, professional insurance, road risk insurance, etc, etc, etc...

Drummerboy08

All this talk of rates and hourly charges.....

I hear the mechanics in India charge a tenner an hour, even cheaper than the UK!

Why dont you compare the irish market to them?

Or compare it to say, Ughanda, where the labour rate is probably a few cent. Sure you'd get your car serviced for nothing!

Comparing the price of labour in Ireland to the price of labour in the UK or the North is simply not a viable concept -

1 - The minimum wage is a LOT more in Ireland, even taking into account the exchange rate.

2 - Overheads in Ireland are a LOT more expensive than the UK (VAT, Insurance, Tools, Rent, Electricity, Heat)

3 - The cost of living is also higher in Ireland. Like it or not, we are one of the most expensive countries to live in Europe at the moment.

It is two different economies, the point of there being a much larger population in the UK does also make a difference too. Think about it. The more units you can potentially sell, the cheaper it will be.

Unfortunately, it is more expensive to have your car serviced in Ireland, than it is in the UK, like it is more expensive to buy the car, to buy a TV, to buy a loaf of bread.

Darragh29

I used to have a mechanic from Mauritius working for me and I remember everytime he got paid on a Friday, he couldn't understand how come he was getting paid so much. We had a chat one day about how it works back in Mauritius and he said he gets paid more in a month in Ireland than he would see in a year back in Mauritius, and back in his own country, it's up at 6AM, in work for 6:30AM and it's a 12-14 hour day. Also, everyone over there is poor or the vast majority of people are, so they can't afford new parts, everything is about reusing and recycling and taking short cuts, kind of like what used to happen back here in the 80's when nobody had a pot to p*ss into.

We've moved on since then and obviously costs are higher, not just for garages but for everyone, and as I said, the same people on here who are admonishing garages and mechanics, have been relishing the huge rise in the price of their personal property, while almost expecting property prices for businesses to move in the other direction and this unfortunately is not how the world turns...

reverandkenjami

samsemtex wrote: »

So you make up for this 25% extra you have to pay over UK dealers by adding another 30% on top of it? Im sorry but your 25% higher price to pay the UK parts distributor seems to have been covered and then some.

Your reading it as you want to see it! Where did i mention adding an extra 30%???????

UK dealer buys part from distrubutor for £100. Dealer mark up brings the retail price to £130+vat. The £30 is the dealers profit.

Irish dealer buys the same part from same distributor for €150. Dealer mark up brings the part to €195+vat. €45 being irish dealers profit.

Can you see the difference starting to emerge? Don't forget this is before VAT is added and discount if applicable.

With sterling the way it is it would cost you about €60 less to buy it from the UK. Thats not the dealer ripping you off, we make the same as the guys in the UK if we sell the part.

Irish and UK dealers make the same profit margin. The problem is the parts cost price- which is basically the distributor setting a higher price because we are irish!

blackiebest

As I posted earlier, I collected my clutch yesterday. For the purpose of clarity all figures to follow are exclusive of VAT and in Euro at normal ex rates (UK or Irish)

The clutch for my forester cost me €133.00 delivered to Northern Ireland.

I got it delivered there (poste Rente) as it saved me £20 by DHL and I live 22 km from border PO.

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 (Subaru part)

I went into a "Top Part"s retail outlet today to price (spuirous) same and was quoted €330 retail and after bargaining for trade ended uo at €287.00

My part is manufactured with licence from Subaru and comes with 2 year guarantee.

Taking best IR price @ €287.00, I saved myself 115%.

If anyone here thinks a punter like me should pay 115% more for the same part before the toolies mark-up and think it ok they are living on another planet.

It is in-excusable and no amount of bluster can justify such a difference.

I will happily post images of receipt or direct link to supplier to avoid any confusion.

It is a joke to attempt to justify the difference in price. We should NEVER be so un-competitive as a country and the reason we are is a combination of greed and ignorance

Mr.Diagnostic

blackiebest wrote: »

I will happily post images of receipt or direct link to supplier to avoid any confusion.

Its not that I don’t believe you about the price, but I would be interested to see the link.

blackiebest

MR. Diagnostic, The clutch I bought is here http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch_kit_display.php?txtmodel=Forester&Submit=Next&txtmake=Subaru

The HT leads with the free plugs here http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_split/catalogsearch/result/?q=ht+leads&q_store=all&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

The Exhaust system here http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_split/catalogsearch/result/?q=exhaust&q_store=type_25&submit.x=59&submit.y=6

NOTE; Further discounts are available when certain forums are mentioned etc.

Now I assume, from your handle, that you often purchase parts and in my, amateur, experience I have found over 100% savings on all items above most notably the HT leads (over 200%), Leaving VAT out the differences are obvious. I believe the suppliers in this country should not be supported with these differences. Regardless of operating costs and believe me I know all about them in this country, we must strive to be compete and deliver value for money.

Without forums such as this I would never have known where to source parts, find information, get MULTIPLE opinions on problems etc. In the past we, the punters, had to put up with crazy parts prices, often shoddy work which often did not fix the problem and still have to pay through the teeth. I hilighted my experiences here in order to help people who buy parts, both mechanics and joe public. If the people on here were to take the time to source and search for parts, be they mechanics or Joe Public then we would bring about change. Darragh indicated to me that he thought I shouldj be paying €250 for the clutch where as the best, after much haggling I could get from a national parts supplier was €287 ex VAT.

Out of interest how much would you have paid for same had I come to you? And under normal circumstances how much would I have paid you for that part? It is not a loaded question, I am sick of fighting here, but please post what it would have cost.

I do not begrudge anyone making fair profit at all, I just do not want to participate or be expected to in such a rip off market as is the parts industry in this country

Drummerboy08

blackiebest wrote: »

As I posted earlier, I collected my clutch yesterday. For the purpose of clarity all figures to follow are exclusive of VAT and in Euro at normal ex rates (UK or Irish)

The clutch for my forester cost me €133.00 delivered to Northern Ireland.

I got it delivered there (poste Rente) as it saved me £20 by DHL and I live 22 km from border PO.

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 (Subaru part)

I went into a "Top Part"s retail outlet today to price (spuirous) same and was quoted €330 retail and after bargaining for trade ended uo at €287.00

My part is manufactured with licence from Subaru and comes with 2 year guarantee.

Taking best IR price @ €287.00, I saved myself 115%.

If anyone here thinks a punter like me should pay 115% more for the same part before the toolies mark-up and think it ok they are living on another planet.

It is in-excusable and no amount of bluster can justify such a difference.

I will happily post images of receipt or direct link to supplier to avoid any confusion.

It is a joke to attempt to justify the difference in price. We should NEVER be so un-competitive as a country and the reason we are is a combination of greed and ignorance

Thats a good deal right there. Well done sir.

I cant see why there was such a difference in price though, even with the exchange rate at the minute, thats a massive difference!

Well done again.

LoveDucati2

blackiebest wrote: »

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The clutch for my forester cost me €133.00 delivered to Northern Ireland.

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 (Subaru part)

Jesus Blackie that is some markup. BTW I didn't doubt you about price.

Is that including labour.

Telling a customer that parts are €200 of which €50 is a kickback is lying, the parts are now only €150, this is simply dishonest and is possibly fraud. You are creating a contract with a customer that has fictitious parts pricing on it.

I think we should start a sticky with a breakdown of labour costs per jobs, and costs for certain items so no poor smhuck gets ripped off like this.

Thinking about setting up a website www.ratemygarage or www.ratemymechanic and then we would get some transparency. Anyone interested in showing these ripoff garages up?

LoveDucati2

rebel.ranter wrote: »

Anyone care to take on the challenge of a YouTube 20 minute service? I would like to see a video of a 20 minute service. Even better again if it could be repeated over & over for a full day's work.

Well go on you tube then, they are already there.:)

Darragh29

blackiebest wrote: »

As I posted earlier, I collected my clutch yesterday. For the purpose of clarity all figures to follow are exclusive of VAT and in Euro at normal ex rates (UK or Irish)

The clutch for my forester cost me €133.00 delivered to Northern Ireland.

I got it delivered there (poste Rente) as it saved me £20 by DHL and I live 22 km from border PO.

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 (Subaru part)

I went into a "Top Part"s retail outlet today to price (spuirous) same and was quoted €330 retail and after bargaining for trade ended uo at €287.00

My part is manufactured with licence from Subaru and comes with 2 year guarantee.

Taking best IR price @ €287.00, I saved myself 115%.

If anyone here thinks a punter like me should pay 115% more for the same part before the toolies mark-up and think it ok they are living on another planet.

It is in-excusable and no amount of bluster can justify such a difference.

I will happily post images of receipt or direct link to supplier to avoid any confusion.

It is a joke to attempt to justify the difference in price. We should NEVER be so un-competitive as a country and the reason we are is a combination of greed and ignorance

What manufacturer has made this clutch under licence for your Subara, because to me, £131 sounds a little "too cheap" for this product. Also, when you went into Top Part, what make was the clutch they offered to supply you with for 287 Euro???

Also, I think that as you have offered to, that you should post up evidence of the prices you are providing here, because to be honest, it is not possible at the moment to see if you are comparing like to like here. So my questions are:

Where exactly is the clutch you have acquired for £131 coming from and what brand product is it?

What brand product is the Top Part clutch you have been quoted 287 Euro for...

Most importantly, do you not think that you should go back to Subara and ask them for an explanation with regard to the quote for €675.00 for these parts??? Because you seem to be egging everyone else here to take up arms, so maybe you should be leading from the front on this particular issue instead of being a hurler on the ditch.

Darragh29

I've just priced a Subaru clutch for this car through a supplier in Dublin for 306 Euro Retail. LuK Part no: 623-304-960...

This is the same brand of clutch that this poster can acquire for £133.

The point I'm making is that if this poster wanted this issue resolved immediately, as in had a problem today and wanted his car fixed tomorrow, the price of the clutch in the Irish market is around 300 Euro. This is completely outside the control of any garage in Ireland...

Mr.Diagnostic

blackiebest wrote: »

MR. Diagnostic, The clutch I bought is here http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch_kit_display.php?txtmodel=Forester&Submit=Next&txtmake=Subaru

Thanks for the link. That was a superb price.
I had wondered if it was a recon unit or something but no, excellent value.

I feel there is a lot more to this issue and unfortunately I am too busy now to do the subject justice but I will do an epic post later

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Telling a customer that parts are €200 of which €50 is a kickback is lying, the parts are now only €150, this is simply dishonest and is possibly fraud.

I think it would be more accurate to use the word “profit” instead of “kickback” When a business sells an item and makes a “profit” that is quite honest. To suggest it is dishonest for a business to make a 25% markup on a sale (in your example) but to suggest it is possibly fraudulent is unbelievable.

blackiebest

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've just priced a Subaru clutch for this car through a supplier in Dublin for 306 Euro Retail. LuK Part no: 623-304-960...

This is the same brand of clutch that this poster can acquire for £133.

The point I'm making is that if this poster wanted this issue resolved immediately, as in had a problem today and wanted his car fixed tomorrow, the price of the clutch in the Irish market is around 300 Euro. This is completely outside the control of any garage in Ireland...

Well thats a very different point to the one you made when I orginally posted. The reason I want to supply the parts for the job is because the garage is unable to supply the clutch for less than 100% more than I can get it for them. You mention 306 euro retail, please clarify if this is the best price you, the mechanic, can buy it for or is that Joe Public price and if this 306 is inclusive of VAT or not? I would also be interested to get your opinions on the HT leads and exhaust systems I also linked to, am I off the wall in claiming they too are available for half the price.

Given the DHL is 2/3 days I would feel most punters would be happy enough to wait, given the savings. Very often people need to wait at least 24 hours anyhow in this country before the parts arrive.

If I am the one, who needs to point you, the professionals, to where the same parts can be bought at these discounts then I would assert that as a mechanic you are extremely competant and efficent but that your procurement leaves a lot to be desired and specifically in your case I suggest your attitude towards this subject could do with a "full service".

I am not on here to bust mechanics chops, I am pissed off with paying between 100/200% more for parts before your mark up.

I have never disputed hourly rates NOR markup on parts by the mechanic's. If I had been offered the clutch at €250 I never would have gone and found it at €133. Thats a potential profit of €117 for the likes of you I would have happily paid, and thought I had got a good deal, left my money in a local business etc.

LoveDucati2

Mr.Diagnostic wrote: »

I think it would be more accurate to use the word “profit” instead of “kickback” When a business sells an item and makes a “profit” that is quite honest. To suggest it is dishonest for a business to make a 25% markup on a sale (in your example) but to suggest it is possibly fraudulent is unbelievable.

It is not profit,

If you quote a price for parts and labour, why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

How many people here would be happy to pay then.

Also what price do you pay your VAT on. The price you pay or the fictional price you have quoted to the customer.

Do you pay TAX on the "profit" or just pocket it?

This is wrong, I cannot understand why you cannot see that this is a rip off.

Darragh29

blackiebest wrote: »

Well thats a very different point to the one you made when I orginally posted. The reason I want to supply the parts for the job is because the garage is unable to supply the clutch for less than 100% more than I can get it for them. You mention 306 euro retail, please clarify if this is the best price you, the mechanic, can buy it for or is that Joe Public price and if this 306 is inclusive of VAT or not? I would also be interested to get your opinions on the HT leads and exhaust systems I also linked to, am I off the wall in claiming they too are available for half the price.

Given the DHL is 2/3 days I would feel most punters would be happy enough to wait, given the savings. Very often people need to wait at least 24 hours anyhow in this country before the parts arrive.

If I am the one, who needs to point you, the professionals, to where the same parts can be bought at these discounts then I would assert that as a mechanic you are extremely competant and efficent but that your procurement leaves a lot to be desired and specifically in your case I suggest your attitude towards this subject could do with a "full service".

I am not on here to bust mechanics chops, I am pissed off with paying between 100/200% more for parts before your mark up.

I have never disputed hourly rates NOR markup on parts by the mechanic's. If I had been offered the clutch at €250 I never would have gone and found it at €133. Thats a potential profit of €117 for the likes of you I would have happily paid, and thought I had got a good deal, left my money in a local business etc.

As Mr. D Said, the price of 133 Euro for a 228MM Subaru LuK clutch to me is an extraodrinarily low price for a product such as an LuK replacement clutch that is considered to be at the very very top end of the clutch replacement market in terms of clutch quality.

Again though, I don't think you are correct in stating that people would be prepared to wait around for 2-3 days for their car to be put back on the road. Maybe now that thankfully money is starting to have some value again and people and putting an importance on the value of what they have in their pocket, this might change, but my experience up until now is that you were competing on (1) When you could do the job and (2) How much you can do it for and what guarantee you will give with it.

From my experience, the vast majority of people want a same day service or else leave it in today and get it back tomorrow.

I accept howver that there is clearly a problem when a company in the UK can sell this product to you for £133 and the exact same product in th eexact same box in this country will cost you 306 Euro going my the price I was given.

However, the people behind this are not garages or mechanics. No more than the outrageous costs that are associated with utilities like ESB, Telecoms, etc. There is a problem here, I accept that, but it is not caused by garages or mechanics and the answer is not to run with a situation where customers supply their own parts and mechannics fit these parts. That 133 Euro clutch could have been a reconditioned part that would not be anywhere near the same quality as an LuK clutch for example, and as I said, that 133 Euro price does sound extraordinarily low for this particular clutch...

An interesting exercise would be to start a new thread on this specific topic and pick a particular part number for a part for one car each day and see what difference in price is between Irish suppliers and UK suppliers that can supply through the internet, on a strictly like for like basis...

Darragh29

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

It is not profit,

If you quote a price for parts and labour, why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

How many people here would be happy to pay then.

Also what price do you pay your VAT on. The price you pay or the fictional price you have quoted to the customer.

Do you pay TAX on the "profit" or just pocket it?

This is wrong, I cannot understand why you cannot see that this is a rip off.

I just rang a parts supplier on this Suraru clutch and was quoted 306 Euro RETAIL. That is the recommend retail price of that product as rcommended by LuK. I (not you!), get a trade discount on that. If I'm putting 20K into parts a month for customers, I want a return on that 20K! That 20K has to earn money for me, simply because I need it to or I can't pay my overheads at the end of the month!

If putting a reasonable mark up on a product before selling it is a kick-back, then every single business in the world, including the one that you work for by the way, is involved in a scam.

Drummerboy08

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

It is not profit,

If you quote a price for parts and labour, why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

How many people here would be happy to pay then.

Also what price do you pay your VAT on. The price you pay or the fictional price you have quoted to the customer.

Do you pay TAX on the "profit" or just pocket it?

This is wrong, I cannot understand why you cannot see that this is a rip off.

The next time you go into the shop to buy a carton of milk, ask the owner what price he buys it at, and then how much profit he makes.

Then tell him you want to buy it at the cost price instead.

See how quickly your landed on the footpath with a kick up the ar*e.

LoveDucati2

Darragh29 wrote: »

Again though, I don't think you are correct in stating that people would be prepared to wait around for 2-3 days for their car to be put back on the road.

Are you mad!

Buy your own clutch and wait 2 days or pay whats below

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 + whatever Labour on top of this

LoveDucati2

Darragh29 wrote: »

I just rang a parts supplier on this Suraru clutch and was quoted 306 Euro RETAIL. That is the recommend retail price of that product as rcommended by LuK. I (not you!), get a trade discount on that. If I'm putting 20K into parts a month for customers, I want a return on that 20K! That 20K has to earn money for me, simply because I need it to or I can't pay my overheads at the end of the month!

If putting a reasonable mark up on a product before selling it is a kick-back, then every single business in the world, including the one that you work for by the way, is involved in a scam.

why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

LoveDucati2

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

The next time you go into the shop to buy a carton of milk, ask the owner what price he buys it at, and then how much profit he makes.

Then tell him you want to buy it at the cost price instead.

See how quickly your landed on the footpath with a kick up the ar*e.

But the shop wont be charging 60 quid and hour labour to sell the milk

Drummerboy08

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

But the shop wont be charging 60 quid and hour labour to sell the milk

Yes but the shop will charge you a cost in proportion to the product sold/work taken to sell the product.

Same way, a mechanic will charge you a fee to repair your clutch. It is caleld trade- generally people charge another person for a product/service provided.

In this case its both.

-Chris-

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

It is not profit,

If you quote a price for parts and labour, why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

How many people here would be happy to pay then.

Also what price do you pay your VAT on. The price you pay or the fictional price you have quoted to the customer.

Do you pay TAX on the "profit" or just pocket it?

This is wrong, I cannot understand why you cannot see that this is a rip off.

If a plumber comes to my house, I don't ask him how much the pipes he's fitting cost him.
If I contract a builder to build an extension, I don't ask him how much his bricks cost.
If I'm employing the services of a web-designer, I don't ask him how much he's paying the photographer he's contracted in.

I'm aware that when someone is running a business that involves labour, expertise and "parts", if I allow them to source those "parts", then there's every likelihood they'll have a markup in those parts.


If the builder lets me supply my own bricks, and I can get bricks cheaper than he's quoting, then I have to make the decision whether the short-term gain of cheaper blocks weighs up against the long-term risk of (in the case of cracks in the wall or subsidence or something) the builder taking limited responsibility and blaming the issue on my bricks.


I compare suppliers based on their overall price. I go with the one who provides me with best value. I don't care if they make all their money from labour or parts or a combination of both.


I would NEVER suggest that a supplier making a markup on materials supplied was a scam or rip off - where they make their profit, and how they make it, is none of my business.
If I didn't like the way they did things, or didn't think they were giving me value, I wouldn't use their services. It's as simple as that.

Darragh29

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Are you mad!

Buy your own clutch and wait 2 days or pay whats below

The original quotation for the same part from Subaru dealer was €675.00 + whatever Labour on top of this

Look, that 675 Euro price is just a joke. In recent years, dealers have been getting away with this because the mindset of their customer was that if the car was something like a BMW, Merc, Lexus or Subaru, then it was back to the main dealer no matter what they quoted and it's off the back of this nonsense that a price of 675 for a clutch kit has been quoted. The way to deal with this is to go to the dealer & distributor in Ireland for Subaru and ask them what the fu*k is going on with a 675 Euro replacement clutch kit...

Darragh29

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

why don't you tell customer the real price for the parts then, and clearly illustrate the "profit" you are making alongside the Labour charge.

First of all, I've never been asked to do so. I can't imagine I'll see a day when I'll go into Tesco and see on the price display for the potatoes, a figure for the profit that Tesco is making on the bag of potatoes if I put them in my trolley!

Why does the business you work in not give a profit breakdown at the bottom of every invoice issued???

pred racer

Darragh29 wrote: »

An interesting exercise would be to start a new thread on this specific topic and pick a particular part number for a part for one car each day and see what difference in price is between Irish suppliers and UK suppliers that can supply through the internet, on a strictly like for like basis...

good Idea..

Drummerboy08

That is a good idea alright...