Israel scores an own goal in propaganda war: Cypriot Gaza aid vessel rammed by Navy.

Run_to_da_hills

Israel has just scored an own goal in the propaganda war. Its Navy has rammed the Cypriot vessel carrying medical supplies and with doctors on board causing substantial damage to the craft. Israel has no excuse for this huminatarian mission was well publicised in the media since Sunday.

The boat ended up in Lebanon. This is appalling considering Israel is making absolutly no attempt to help aid to the countless number of innocent civilians it has maimed in the current holocaust in Gaza. :mad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7805075.stm

brianthebard

Israel is no longer considered about the way its perceived in the west, and hasn't been for a long time.

Pride Fighter

The Cypriots deserve it for beating us 5-2 in football a few years ago.

Biggins

Nope. Still staying in my bunker saying nothing about either side.

sdanseo

What a pile of absolute bastards. Israel should be ashamed.

Send an EU/NATO task force to nuke stop them, seriously. Israel is a waste of space. Bit hasty tbh. But I'm still pissed off.

Conor108

Biggins wrote: »

Nope. Still staying in my bunker saying nothing about either side.

You can't stay there forever! mu ha ha ha
Soon someone will say something so ridiculous you'll have to jump in and tell them they're a twat

Biggins

sdonn_1 wrote: »

What a pile of absolute bastards. Israel should be ashamed.

Send an EU/NATO task force to nuke them, seriously. Israel is a waste of space.

Aaa ok. Bye.

(Most definitely staying in my bunker now!)

sdanseo

Biggins wrote: »

Aaa ok. Bye.

Why not? They're not content with absolutely raping palestine just because of a few dissidents with rockets, but they're ramming aid boats out of the water in international territory where they have absolutely no jurisdiction. Give me one good reason why the world should not dicipline them for these, stuipd, bigoted, thoughless actions.

Sure, defend themselves. But with a couple of snipers or the like, not F-16's and warships. All they're doing is killing indiscrimiately because they're pissed off and to assert themselves.

Conor108

And there it is:D

Biggins

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Why not? They're not content with absolutely raping palestine just because of a few dissidents with rockets, but they're ramming aid boats out of the water in international territory where they have absolutely no jurisdiction. Give me one good reason why the world should not dicipline them for these, stuipd, bigoted, thoughless actions.

I'm not agreeing with you or disagreeing.

The tone, extremely strong expressive language, these similar topic related threads quickly take lately is terrible and shocking.
I'll say no more on this subject.
I'm not qualified in any way to express a useful opinion, in what is clearly a huge problem for the people directly involved.

All the best.

sdanseo

Conor108 wrote: »

And there it is:D

Just an opinion - its AH after all. Everyone knows nothing discussed here is ever acted on, reflected on etc in any way :rolleyes:

Poccington

So if a boat is warned not to procede into a closed military area, then refuses to listen to said warning and keeps going, then as patrol boats move to intercept said boat.... The very same boat then decides to try and out-maneuver the patrol boat and it ends up in a collision. It's all the Israeli's fault.

Of course the Israeli's are in the wrong, I mean when someone deliberately tries to break through a naval blockade you're supposed to let them do it. Especially when it's an unmarked boat that doesn't show in any way that it's a relief vessel, it's common military practice to let them sail right through :rolleyes:

sdanseo

Poccington wrote: »

So if a boat is warned not to procede into a closed military area, then refuses to listen to said warning and keeps going, then as patrol boats move to intercept said boat.... The very same boat then decides to try and out-maneuver the patrol boat and it ends up in a collision. It's all the Israeli's fault.

Of course the Israeli's are in the wrong, I mean when someone deliberately tries to break through a naval blockade you're supposed to let them do it. Especially when it's an unmarked boat that doesn't show in any way that it's a relief vessel, it's common military practice to let them sail right through :rolleyes:

Ahhh come on. It was a well-publicised aid mission heading towards a different country. The fact that Israel is blockading Gaza at all is a bit pathetic.

Poccington

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Ahhh come on. It was a well-publicised aid mission heading towards a different country. The fact that Israel is blockading Gaza at all is a bit pathetic.

Why is it? They have to stop arms getting into Hamas somehow.

Neamhshuntasach

Israel reject a majority of aid ships that try to dock with aid for Palestine. I've been on 2 that were escorted out of Israeli waters by gun ships aiming weapons at us. And it would have been well known it was a chartered aid ship because they clear the initial paperwork for it but reject it at the end. Only something like 20 odd % ever make it.

brianthebard

Poccington wrote: »

So if a boat is warned not to procede into a closed military area, then refuses to listen to said warning and keeps going, then as patrol boats move to intercept said boat.... The very same boat then decides to try and out-maneuver the patrol boat and it ends up in a collision. It's all the Israeli's fault.

Of course the Israeli's are in the wrong, I mean when someone deliberately tries to break through a naval blockade you're supposed to let them do it. Especially when it's an unmarked boat that doesn't show in any way that it's a relief vessel, it's common military practice to let them sail right through :rolleyes:

Is it common practise to blockade aid to refugees and to cause starvation in a region?

Neamhshuntasach

Poccington wrote: »

Why is it? They have to stop arms getting into Hamas somehow.

Are you for real? The aid ships do be pre cleared and are tracked. They do know very well they are aid ships and when they do let them dock the Israelis control all the movement and x ray everything. So they know guns are not coming in that way.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Israel has just scored an own goal in the propaganda war. Its Navy has rammed the Cypriot vessel carrying medical supplies and with doctors on board causing substantial damage to the craft. Israel has no excuse for this huminatarian mission was well publicised in the media since Sunday.

The boat ended up in Lebanon. This is appalling considering Israel is making absolutly no attempt to help aid to the countless number of innocent civilians it has maimed in the current holocaust in Gaza. :mad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7805075.stm

Good stuff, and I would hope our navy would ram similar craft delivering drugs to our shores, or as in back in the day, ram shipments of arms to the IRA.

Bravo to the Israeli Navy.

Dyr

Israel is a bit like the little yappy dog that mouth's off because it knows it has a great big dog standing behind it..yippity yip yip

Holsten

What is Obama's stance on Israel?

I assume 100% unwavering support.

ejmaztec

Bambi wrote: »

Israel is a bit like the little yappy dog that mouth's off because it knows it has a great big dog standing behind it..yippity yip yip

If the funds were cut off, Israel would have a life expectancy of about 11.5 seconds. The old adage of being nice to people on the way up springs to mind.

testicle

ejmaztec wrote: »

If the funds were cut off, Israel would have a life expectancy of about 11.5 seconds. The old adage of being nice to people on the way up springs to mind.

And what about its Nuclear weapons?

Poccington

Holsten wrote: »

What is Obama's stance on Israel?

I assume 100% unwavering support.

The last report I saw he was asking for calm from both sides or at least along the lines of that. He also said he was closely monitoring the situation.

You can't expect him to have much to say though, the man isn't even in power yet. Until he is, he just has to sit and watch like everyone else.

ejmaztec

testicle wrote: »

And what about its Nuclear weapons?

The ones that it isn't supposed to have?

Run_to_da_hills

Mairt wrote: »

Good stuff, and I would hope our navy would ram similar craft delivering drugs to our shores, or as in back in the day, ram shipments of arms to the IRA.

Bravo to the Israeli Navy.

I totally agree with you, Bravo to the Israeli Navy, the more they keep this up the greater the boycott.

Any consumer product with a UPC barcode beginning with 729 Don't touch it, because it is made in Israel.

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html

Manic Moran

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Ahhh come on. It was a well-publicised aid mission heading towards a different country. The fact that Israel is blockading Gaza at all is a bit pathetic.

The Notices to Mariners (which are also well publicised and are required reading for anyone planning on sailing about the place) gave plenty of advance notice (like, since August 13th) that the ship would not be permitted access. This was not an off-the-cuff decision by an Israeli captain to deny access.

NTM

arybvtcw0eolkf

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I totally agree with you, Bravo to the Israeli Navy, the more they keep this up the greater the boycott.

Any consumer product with a UPC barcode beginning with 729 Don't touch it, because it is made in Israel.

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html

Again more neivity from you.


You have no idea what comes and goes from this country both to and from Israel.

I used to treat your posts as a source of amusement here, but in the last few hours its become painfully obvious to me that you believe the crap you post.

testicle

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Any consumer product with a UPC barcode beginning with 729 Don't touch it, because it is made in Israel.

No it doesn't. It just means that the company that produces it was assigned that EAN number by the Israeli Standards Institute.

I'd bet my life the computer you are currently using has an Intel processor in it. I'd advise you to turn it off immediately. The processor in it was as likely to have been fabricated in Israel, as Leixlip.

Pen1987

Look... all these threads on here are getting stupid. I'm surprised they haven't been at least merged by a moderator. This is an issue that decades worth of work by representitives from the communitities directly involved hasn't sorted, bickering on here about the rights and wrongs of the situation from behind a computer screen in Ireland while sipping a glass of red and chumping digestives is completely idiotic.

I call on they people currently discussing it at length in the various threads to, at the very minimum, attempt to put your own feelings aside and contribute about ways that the situation might possibly be resolved in the future without resorting back to using the stupid "terrorists/murderers" type of language being used at the moment.

Stop with the oneupmanship and talking likely angsty teenagers discussing who the best bands are and start debating.
If you're making a point have a source to back it up ffs. Otherwise it's of no value.



For God sake, please.

*disclaimer, not aimed at everyone involved (but the bleedin' majority)

Run_to_da_hills

Mairt wrote: »

Again more neivity from you.


You have no idea what comes and goes from this country both to and from Israel.

I used to treat your posts as a source of amusement here, but in the last few hours its become painfully obvious to me that you believe the crap you post.

One only has to google what products comes from Israel simple as that. :rolleyes:

Anyone in the Engineering or toolmaking trade should stop using Iscar immediatly. http://www.iscar.com/

Boycotting worked well with apartide in South Africa

brianthebard

testicle wrote: »

And what about its Nuclear weapons?

Israel wouldn't really be the promised land any more if they nuke all their neighbours will it?

cornbb

Israel are being real bastards. You could sympathise with the horrific past they've had, being despised and sniped at by their neighbours for decades, but what they're doing to Gaza is nothing short of barbaric, pure evil. Israel have a lot of problems to solve but they are doing themselves no help, they will only make things worse for themselves. This latest conflict is yet another catalyst that will swell Hamas' ranks.

ejmaztec

Pen1987 wrote: »

while sipping a glass of red and chumping digestives

I think that you've gone too far with this abomination of an idea (bit like the Israelis with theirs).

Blazer

Poccington wrote: »

So if a boat is warned not to procede into a closed military area, then refuses to listen to said warning and keeps going, then as patrol boats move to intercept said boat.... The very same boat then decides to try and out-maneuver the patrol boat and it ends up in a collision. It's all the Israeli's fault.

Of course the Israeli's are in the wrong, I mean when someone deliberately tries to break through a naval blockade you're supposed to let them do it. Especially when it's an unmarked boat that doesn't show in any way that it's a relief vessel, it's common military practice to let them sail right through :rolleyes:

Muppets deserved it..looks like they were trying to sneak through..and at night.

Run_to_da_hills

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Muppets deserved it..looks like they were trying to sneak through..and at night.

Im sure the Israelis knew exactly what colour underwear the crew were wearing from the sophisticated surveillance equipment provided by the United States. :rolleyes:

Gummy Panda

Are you allowed to ram a boat in international waters with your navy?

Tbh, I don't like Israel. Not because of land grabbing or that they're jewish. Just how arrogrant they are. Aslong as they have the US on their side they ignore everyone else.

I'd love to see what would happen if US funding and aid was pulled. Would they come looking to other western countries for support then?

Neamhshuntasach

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Muppets deserved it..looks like they were trying to sneak through..and at night.

So you're basing that on what the Israeli spokesperson said and in turn what that Poccington fella said. I've been on 2 EU charted aid ships that were destined for Palestine and were pre-cleared by the Israelis and then you are rejected and escorted out of their waters. They do know very well when a boat is entering. Everyone on the Cypriot ship, including doctors and an ex US senator all claimed the same thing. That the Israeli's never made contact. But on the other hand the Israeli's claim that they did and the ship never responded. So people believe an Israeli spokesperson who says it on TV over several people's claims. It's just the same thing as when the US shot down the Iranian civilian airliner back in '88 and claimed they made contact and the plane never responded. Which was later proved to be a lie by another US ship commander.

So don't be surprised if Governments lie.

munchester29

The goal of these so called "Aid ships" is not to provide aid to the Palestinians.
The goal of these ships is very simple - to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza, and be a thorn in Israel's side.
An attempt to rally public opinion against the cruel Israelis who won't let innocent aid workers and messengers of good faith to help the poor Palestinians.

The blockade was put in place for very good reasons - Hamas are using all unsupervised routes they have to smuggle weapons, explosives, rockets & mortar shells into Gaza and these weapons are then used on Israel.

If any organization wants to aid the Palestinians, they can use the Egyptian border pass or the Israeli border pass to transfer goods into Gaza. Unfortunately, that is not the goal of these “aid” ships.

On at least one occasion, the people on these ships have admitted to smuggling Palestinians out of the Gaza strip. God only knows what else was smuggled into or out of Gaza by these good Samaritans.

In 2008 alone, Israel was hit by over 3000 rockets and mortar shells!
Over 700,000 Israeli citizens (15% or so of the population) are within the Hamas rocket & mortar firing range!
How dare the Israelis kill innocent Hamas peace activists to stop these rockets & mortars!!!

Show me one country in the world that would have or ever has shown such restraint under such circumstances…

I think Israel shows and has shown great reserve considering the means at their disposal.

Manic Moran

I must say, I'm not sure just how much practical aid is going to be provided by a journalist, human rights activist, or Ex-US Senator.

If they weren't trying to score political points, they could have used the tonnage saved for more medicine and such.

Of course, that wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome of if they'll get through or not. Just pointing out that in this case, it wasn't a pure aid vessel anyway.

Nodin

Mairt wrote: »

Good stuff, and I would hope our navy would ram similar craft delivering drugs to our shores, or as in back in the day, ram shipments of arms to the IRA.

Bravo to the Israeli Navy.

I was unaware that there were either illegal drugs or arms on the ship. Do you happen to have a source for that information?

tallaght01

Why are aid ships carrying palestinian rights campaigners??

That's such a dumb move.

I've been heavily involved with the red cross for many years.

We go to great pains to preserve our neutrality. It's so so important in terms of international conflict.

But some charities are just a bit naive.

marcsignal

I'm CONVINCED these threads about the Mid East are born pregnant

sceptre

brianthebard wrote: »

Israel wouldn't really be the promised land any more if they nuke all their neighbours will it?

In fairness, we don't know that the cockroaches and twinkies don't have a unified religion that says they were all promised it first (the land of roaches and twinkies).

Gordon

In the end the cockroaches and twinkies will rule all, it's inevitable.

marcsignal

anti semetic cockroaches and twinkies :eek:

Dyr

those cockroaches brought it on themselves

dlofnep

munchester29 wrote: »

I think Israel shows and has shown great reserve considering the means at their disposal.

But yet, they've killed 2000+ Palestinians since 2005. While hamas has killed 90 Israelis.

Great reserve there.

Terry

Manic Moran wrote: »

I must say, I'm not sure just how much practical aid is going to be provided by a journalist, human rights activist, or Ex-US Senator.

If they weren't trying to score political points, they could have used the tonnage saved for more medicine and such.

Of course, that wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome of if they'll get through or not. Just pointing out that in this case, it wasn't a pure aid vessel anyway.

A boat delivering 3.5 tonnes of Cypriot medical aid to the Gaza Strip has been rammed by Israeli naval vessels in international waters, activists say.

About 3.5 tonnes apparently.

As for their presence, it brings publicity to the fact that Israel are denying international aid to the people of Gaza.

munchester29 wrote: »

The goal of these so called "Aid ships" is not to provide aid to the Palestinians.
The goal of these ships is very simple - to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza, and be a thorn in Israel's side.
An attempt to rally public opinion against the cruel Israelis who won't let innocent aid workers and messengers of good faith to help the poor Palestinians.

The blockade was put in place for very good reasons - Hamas are using all unsupervised routes they have to smuggle weapons, explosives, rockets & mortar shells into Gaza and these weapons are then used on Israel.

If any organization wants to aid the Palestinians, they can use the Egyptian border pass or the Israeli border pass to transfer goods into Gaza. Unfortunately, that is not the goal of these “aid” ships.

On at least one occasion, the people on these ships have admitted to smuggling Palestinians out of the Gaza strip. God only knows what else was smuggled into or out of Gaza by these good Samaritans.

In 2008 alone, Israel was hit by over 3000 rockets and mortar shells!
Over 700,000 Israeli citizens (15% or so of the population) are within the Hamas rocket & mortar firing range!
How dare the Israelis kill innocent Hamas peace activists to stop these rockets & mortars!!!

Show me one country in the world that would have or ever has shown such restraint under such circumstances…

I think Israel shows and has shown great reserve considering the means at their disposal.

Yeah, 100% of Palestinians are within range of Israel's far superior rockets.


Now, can anyone give me a completely valid reason as to why Israel are denying the people of Gaza much needed aid?

Manic Moran

Now, can anyone give me a completely valid reason as to why Israel are denying the people of Gaza much needed aid?

Because they have a designated aid entry point already, and it's easier to control access through that as opposed to the water?

Would I not be correct in saying, by the way, that more aid has come through the Israeli border than the Egyptian one?

NTM

Highsider

TBH any kind of comeupance isreal has coming they deserve for the way they block aid shipments and have treated the people of Gaza over time.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Highsider wrote: »

TBH any kind of comeupance isreal has coming they deserve for the way they block aid shipments and have treated the people of Gaza over time.

LOL, sometimes I feel like banging my head off a wall here.

There's a bloody war being fought, its not like our guards are blocking Tescos trucks going through O'Connell St.

It would be pure idiocy for any army to allow convoys into a war zone willy nilly, why thats lost on people is beyond me.