Give him 10points

bcmf · 22-12-2008 1:32pm #1

*RANT ON*
Midday M50 Northbound.Traffic moving really slowly.Crash just after Ballymun.Garda jeep snaked its way thru the traffic.Remember Feck all of a hard shoulder so it wasnt an easy thing to do.Shortly followed by an ambulance which seem to get a lot more space but sitting up the arse of the ambulance following was a VW Bora (I think). I presumed it was an unmarked Garda car.Not far from me ambulance stopped,not at the accident, an ambulance technician hops out has a word with the driver and moves off agin.
Up past the accident in front of the ambulance a Garda had the VW pulled in and hopefully writing a nice big ticket.
I mean what a w**Ker driving the VW.catching a ride thru the traffic behind the ambulance.The emergency people have a tough enough job without that sort of crap.
*RANT OFF*
Anyway thanks for listening and stay safe over xmas.

javaboy · 22-12-2008 1:38pm

I blame video games for this type of behaviour. Specifically Die Hard Trilogy.

Sounds like a typical selfish driver....... or an injury claims lawyer.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 1:45pm

I did this once, it's a great way to get through traffic! I don't do queues...

JackFrosty · 22-12-2008 1:56pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I did this once, it's a great way to get through traffic! I don't do queues...

So you own the road do ya?

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-12-2008 2:03pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I did this once, it's a great way to get through traffic! I don't do queues...

Follow me and you'll get stopped and arrested for obstruction, and delayed for as long as I can hold you before releasing without charge.

That's just plain arrogant and selfish.

Danbo! · 22-12-2008 2:11pm

JackFrosty wrote: »

So you own the road do ya?

Well I presume he's paid his 'road' tax so yeah he does.

OldmanMondeo · 22-12-2008 2:11pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I did this once, it's a great way to get through traffic! I don't do queues...

Think there are a few people who don't see the joke....

EDIT, Read further on the topic, you actually did follow the Emergency services... Thanks removed...

Anan1 · 22-12-2008 2:23pm

House wrote: »

Follow me and you'll get stopped and arrested for obstruction, and delayed for as long as I can hold you before releasing without charge.

That's just plain arrogant and selfish.

Arrested for what, exactly?

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-12-2008 2:31pm

Anan1 wrote: »

Arrested for what, exactly?

The definition of obstruction is suitably vague for my purposes. :pac:

Following a patrol car on an emergency call through heavy traffic is hardly a wise course of action.

Quite the opposite one would imagine. Careless driving or dangerous driving can be added to the list if needs be. Would you prefer if we let people do such things and cause a danger to those at accident scenes?

Anan1 · 22-12-2008 2:35pm

House wrote: »

The definition of obstruction is suitably vague for my purposes. :pac:

Following a patrol car on an emergency call through heavy traffic is hardly a wise course of action.

Quite the opposite one would imagine. Careless driving or dangerous driving can be added to the list if needs be. Would you prefer if we let people do such things and cause a danger to those at accident scenes?

No, I completely agree that it's in society's interests to stop them. I was just wondering what lawful grounds you would have for arresting them?

bcmf · 22-12-2008 2:36pm

I want to add that the driver was literally sitting up the hole of the ambulance and was driving with ,obviuosly f*ck all consideration for everyone else on the road.If the ambulance had to stop suddenly as it was tight enough to pass as it was he would have smashed into them and in doing so prevented the crew getting to where they were needed.

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-12-2008 2:39pm

Anan1 wrote: »

No, I completely agree that it's in society's interests to stop them. I was just wondering what lawful grounds you would have for arresting them?

Obstruction charge is quite good, as you have to deal with them before attending to the accident, or leave a member with them while another goes over to the crash scene.

It just adds to the delays and can be charged under careless driving or dangerous driving, especially when the scene is causing heavy traffic buildup.

Anan1 · 22-12-2008 2:43pm

House wrote: »

Obstruction charge is quite good, as you have to deal with them before attending to the accident, or leave a member with them while another goes over to the crash scene.

It just adds to the delays and can be charged under careless driving or dangerous driving, especially when the scene is causing heavy traffic buildup.

So why not go the whole way and charge them?

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-12-2008 2:45pm

Anan1 wrote: »

So why not go the whole way and charge them?

Simply put, there's a heck of a lot of work to do at accident scenes. I'd love to do it all, but manpower and available systems are just not there like they should be.

If I can get a dangerous driving/careless driving conviction, great.

Obstruction is a court appearance in this case and is not worth the time and effort as judges are reluctant to do anything about it.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 2:48pm

Anan1 wrote: »

No, I completely agree that it's in society's interests to stop them. I was just wondering what lawful grounds you would have for arresting them?

House wrote: »

Obstruction charge is quite good, as you have to deal with them before attending to the accident, or leave a member with them while another goes over to the crash scene.

It just adds to the delays and can be charged under careless driving or dangerous driving, especially when the scene is causing heavy traffic buildup.

House wrote: »

Follow me and you'll get stopped and arrested for obstruction, and delayed for as long as I can hold you before releasing without charge.

That's just plain arrogant and selfish.

Tell me this. How the f*ck can I be causing an obstruction for something that is in front of me???

bcmf · 22-12-2008 2:51pm

What have I started.

Berty · 22-12-2008 2:52pm

Always one isnt there

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 2:54pm

I am that one!

Anan1 · 22-12-2008 2:56pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Tell me this. How the f*ck can I be causing an obstruction for something that is in front of me???

My guess is that the charge would be obstruction of traffic, Darragh, not the Garda car/ambulance.;)

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 3:03pm

Anan1 wrote: »

My guess is that the charge would be obstruction of traffic, Darragh, not the Garda car/ambulance.;)

But didn't he say the traffic was stopped already anyway, by an already present obstruction!?! Hence why he would be charging me with following him, to get myself out of traffic??? It's difficult to see how that is causing an obstruction!

Mr Magnolia · 22-12-2008 3:08pm

Just as an aside, I chased an ambulance through town once, it was a family member on board en route to the hospital, I'd my hazards on so it should have been a little obvious. It's not always a cheeky arsehole tailing the ambulance, sometimes there's a reason to it.

javaboy · 22-12-2008 3:09pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

But didn't he say the traffic was stopped already anyway, by an already present obstruction!?! Hence why he would be charging me with following him, to get myself out of traffic??? It's difficult to see how that is causing an obstruction!

Because you're giving the ambulance driver/Garda an unnecessary extra thing to worry about. You're making his job more difficult.

kayos · 22-12-2008 3:10pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

But didn't he say the traffic was stopped already anyway, by an already present obstruction!?! Hence why he would be charging me with following him, to get myself out of traffic??? It's difficult to see how that is causing an obstruction!

Please don't tell me you really don't see whats wrong with following a emergency services vehicle to skip traffic?

All it takes is one gobsheen to block the vehicle you are following and him stamping on the breaks for you to end up in the back of it. Hense causing a bigger problem. e.g. the ambulance that was on its way to get to the scene of an accident is now in an accident, causing more traffic chaos and a huge delay in getting an ambulance to the people that need it.

I would easily say dangerous driving could be chucked at you. But even if its not then there could be a darwin award in it for you.

Zith · 22-12-2008 3:18pm

Probably obstruction of his duties rather than obstruction of the vehicle.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 3:20pm

I did this once when I was stuck in traffic and I'm still alive. I wasn't driving dangerously, I wasn't obstructing anyone.

kayos · 22-12-2008 3:24pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I did this once when I was stuck in traffic and I'm still alive. I wasn't driving dangerously, I wasn't obstructing anyone.

/facepalm

You might have dodged a bullet once when playing russian roullete, does not make it smart to play it.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 3:30pm

kayos wrote: »

/facepalm

You might have dodged a bullet once when playing russian roullete, does not make it smart to play it.

I told ya, I don't do queues!

:D:D

Now Russian Roulette, that is dangerous!

bcmf · 22-12-2008 3:32pm

A few points.
Mr. Magnolia. A good point.thank you

Darragh.I said the traffic was moving very slowly.I also think you are a wummer and shouldnt be taken seriuously

NiSmO · 22-12-2008 3:37pm

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Sir Humphrey · 22-12-2008 3:40pm

bcmf wrote: »

I mean what a w**Ker driving the VW.catching a ride thru the traffic behind the ambulance.The emergency people have a tough enough job without that sort of crap.

This is a bit disingenuous. What that guy did had nothing to do with how tough the emergency people's job might be.

You are pissed off because he tried to steal a march on the rest of the traffic. Don't be trying to pass it off as some kind of high-minded objection.

Berty · 22-12-2008 3:40pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I told ya, I don't do queues! :D:D

Now Russian Roulette, that is dangerous!

What about revels roulette? Far more dangerous.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 3:45pm

Sir Humphrey wrote: »

This is a bit disingenuous. What that guy did had nothing to do with how tough the emergency people's job might be.

You are pissed off because he tried to steal a march on the rest of the traffic. Don't be trying to pass it off as some kind of high-minded objection.

He's pissed off 'cos your man was at home atein his snack box when the OP was still stuck in traffic!

peasant · 22-12-2008 3:49pm

Sir Humphrey wrote: »

This is a bit disingenuous. What that guy did had nothing to do with how tough the emergency people's job might be.

You are pissed off because he tried to steal a march on the rest of the traffic. Don't be trying to pass it off as some kind of high-minded objection.

ohhh ...the begrudgery card:pac: ...always a nice one.

An emercency vehicle driving with lights and sirens on has certain excemptions from traffic laws (written and unwritten ones) ...the car behind hasn't. So while following an emergency vehicle it is quite likely that you are breaking several laws. That's count one.

Count two is that an emergency vehicle disrupts the normal flow of traffic (other drivers get out of its way) and that traffic then sorts itself again once the EV has gone through. Following directly behind one, more or less driving blind, is an extremely stupid thing to do, as in the wake of the vehicle all sorts of unexpected and dangerous maneuvres will be going on while traffic sorts itself out again and fills that vacuum. Not a clever place to be.

Noopti · 22-12-2008 3:52pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

He's pissed off 'cos your man was at home atein his snack box when the OP was still stuck in traffic!

What? After he got his ticket from the Garda? Yeah, he sure got one up on all the suckers in the traffic. :rolleyes:

Read the original post again.

bcmf · 22-12-2008 4:09pm

Strange that the VW passed me by on th M1 just before Donabate and was driving in a remarkably calm way. And more then likely I was in my house eating my lunch while he was still on his merry way with hopefully a pocket full of points and hopefully a few quid lighter.
I dont really care that he passed me BUT if he had of hit the ambulance and thus causing a pile up due to his stupidity then I would take exception.
As regards to how tough the emergency services job and my post.Not only does the ambulance driver have to worry about dodging trucks slow moving traffic and concrete bollards while they are on their way to a crash BUT they also have to deal wiyh a 1st class Moron who thinks he is having a laugh/getting 1 over on everyone else then I wouildnt really term it as disigenuious.

Yakult · 22-12-2008 4:12pm

surprised it wasnt a woman driving a shiny Bmw. They seem to think they own the road.

timmywex · 22-12-2008 4:41pm

Dont drive behind an emergency service vehicle period, couldnt give a f*ck who is in the back honestly.

What happens, your following, you get side swipped by a car, ambulance/fire/garda has to stop etc etc.

There is a reason gardai dont normally give escorts to ambulances, what happens is the garda car goes by lights and sirens, then people start to pull out again not realising its the ambulance sirens going this time, and often come close to hitting it!

Guy:Incognito · 22-12-2008 4:45pm

Assuming the 2 lanes of traffic pulled to either side, the ambulance would be drving up the middle of 2 lanes of traffic. Surely following him constitutes dangerous driving?

In normal driving if you overtook between 2 cars, with half you car in each of their lanes thats got to be dangerous driving?

As for people that do these things? idiots of the highest order.

Marcus.Aurelius · 22-12-2008 4:51pm

I did indeed mean obstructing gardaí rather than obstructing a vehicle or road. (Well obviously).

I'm going to assume Darragh29 is just a troll, I prefer not to believe someone could be that selfish and irresponsible and gloat about it so freely.

Berty · 22-12-2008 4:54pm

Its just wrong, isnt it.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 4:59pm

House wrote: »

I did indeed mean obstructing gardaí rather than obstructing a vehicle or road. (Well obviously).

I'm going to assume Darragh29 is just a troll, I prefer not to believe someone could be that selfish and irresponsible and gloat about it so freely.

I did it once or twice, big deal... Yeah I am selfish, load's of people are!

Mr Magnolia · 22-12-2008 5:10pm

Don't feed the troll, it'll get bored eventually.

House wrote: »

I'm going to assume Darragh29 is just a troll, I prefer not to believe someone could be that selfish and irresponsible and gloat about it so freely.

QFT.

robbie99 · 22-12-2008 5:35pm

R_H_C_P wrote: »

surprised it wasnt a woman driving a shiny Bmw. They seem to think they own the road.

Darragh29 drives like a BMW driver :eek:

jayok · 22-12-2008 5:43pm

robbie99 wrote: »

Darragh29 drives like a BMW driver :eek:

You mean, since I own a BMW, I can drive like that! Deadly...

:D

L-M · 22-12-2008 5:56pm

jayok wrote: »

You mean, since I own a BMW, I can drive like that! Deadly... :D

So does your quotie;)

And yes, he does drive like one:P

I wouldn't even think about driving behind an ambulance to essentially avoid traffic. No matter what anyone says that's wrong.

GreeBo · 22-12-2008 6:14pm

so you're following the ambulance up the tiny hardshoulder as the traffic is solid to your right for two lanes. Then the ambulance stops to deal with he accident. Where do you go then? Start indicating right or something?

And dont discourage him from playing russian roulette for gods sake!

Traumadoc · 22-12-2008 6:24pm

I had to follow an ambulance up from an accident once- never again, nearly got killed by idiots who thought I was chancing my arm and they decided to exact retribution and cut me off - had my hazards on and all.

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 6:40pm

robbie99 wrote: »

Darragh29 drives like a BMW driver :eek:

I've no problem with BMW's, it's the drivers I've always had the problem with there! The fur coat and no knickers brigade is mostly comprised of BMW drivers...

Darragh29 · 22-12-2008 6:43pm

Limerick-man wrote: »

So does your quotie;)

And yes, he does drive like one:P

I wouldn't even think about driving behind an ambulance to essentially avoid traffic. No matter what anyone says that's wrong.

I wouldn't make a habit of it, but if I'm sitting in traffic for 40 minutes that's goin' absolutely nowhere and I've had a c*nt of a day and want to slash me f*ckin' wrists in the car and then a nee naw comes along, happy days, I'm outa there!

robbie99 · 22-12-2008 6:50pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

it's the drivers I've always had the problem with there!

And therein lies the irony!

whiterebel · 22-12-2008 8:27pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't make a habit of it, but if I'm sitting in traffic for 40 minutes that's goin' absolutely nowhere and I've had a c*nt of a day and want to slash me f*ckin' wrists in the car and then a nee naw comes along, happy days, I'm outa there!

Do us all a favour next time then.

Give him 10points

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