Joys of CCTV

Rowley Birkin QC

Woke up Monday morning to find this



Needless to say I was not a happy bunny.:mad:

Called into the managers office of the apt. building where I live to find they had it all on CCTV, once again I was not happy watching some little ****** putting his boot to my car.:mad::mad:

Happily though they were able to identify said ****** so they put the squeeze on him and I just had the immeasurable joy of ringing him to let him know he would be paying for it or would be getting a nice visit from our friends in blue.:cool::cool:

So can anyone recommend a quality panel beater in the Northside of Dublin, Dublin 9 if possible? (Cost isn't an issue :pac:) Is the panel fubar or do you reckon it can be popped out?

Cheers lads.

Zube

bigkev49 wrote: »

I just had the immeasurable joy of ringing him to let him know he would be paying for it or would be getting a nice visit from our friends in blue.

Result!

It doesn't look as though the paint is cracked, so it might just pop out...

Neilw

I would contact one of those paintless dent removal companies, the paint is not cracked so they may be able to remove it, worth a try instead of replacing the panel and a respray.

homer90

Nice to see a bit of justice.........

Now ........ try to fleece the little runt !

Anan1

Well done catching him!

Pat Mustard

Try to get your own dvd copy of said ruffian damaging your car - in case he doesn't pay up and you have to go to the cops.

Drummerboy08

Panel looks a bit fooked imo... A lot of different ripples in to it take out, even tho the paint isnt broken a good bodyshop will prob replace it.

I know they're not Northside, but Smith and Branagan in Lucan are quality merchants, we deal with them alot, and they're nice and expensive too! :pac:

Well done on catchin the little c*nt

unkel

Nice catch

How did you identify him?

EPM

The shut line with the door looks off (to me anyway) plus theres a few dents on the panel. Prob be a new panel to get it fully repaired though. Very irritating to say the least but I'd say the immesurable pleasure of ringing the dude has to help:D

Raiser

bigkev49 wrote: »

Woke up Monday morning to find this



Needless to say I was not a happy bunny.:mad:

Called into the managers office of the apt. building where I live to find they had it all on CCTV, once again I was not happy watching some little ****** putting his boot to my car.:mad::mad:

Happily though they were able to identify said ****** so they put the squeeze on him and I just had the immeasurable joy of ringing him to let him know he would be paying for it or would be getting a nice visit from our friends in blue.:cool::cool:

So can anyone recommend a quality panel beater in the Northside of Dublin, Dublin 9 if possible? (Cost isn't an issue :pac:) Is the panel fubar or do you reckon it can be popped out?

Cheers lads.

Telephone conversation transcript please

- Was there any crying or threatening to pull his spindly legs off?

joeperry

bigkev49 wrote: »

Woke up Monday morning to find this



once again I was not happy watching some little ****** putting his boot to my car.:mad::mad:

Sorry did he do this with his foot by kicking it or with the boot of his car?

well done for catching him.well the karma police will get him anyway i'm sure

cashmni1

Only the panel beater will be able to tell you if it is repairable. Anyway, its easier and faster along with cheaper to replace the panel. Better job in the long run too, imo.

Rowley Birkin QC

unkel wrote: »

Nice catch

How did you identify him?

It's campus accommodation, I'm still a smelly student for another 6 months, so the girls in the office were able to help me out, I've done a bit of work there in the past. The threat of his college or parents being informed was enough for him to admit to it having been confronted with the CCTV footage.

Made it very clear to him on the phone that not only would the boys in blue be paying a visit but I knew where he lived and where he studied. So I'm going to get a quote, the management office will ensure he pays up by holding those threats over him,then go get the panel fixed/replaced.

It really is worth following these things up, having no luck with this car at the moment, got broken into about 8 months ago. Once again I followed it up with the Guards and they got the guy.

Rowley Birkin QC

joeperry wrote: »

Sorry did he do this with his foot by kicking it or with the boot of his car?

Kind of took a run at it and put his boot there, *****. You can make out the boot print when actually looking at the car, not in the photo.

Raiser wrote:

Telephone conversation transcript please

- Was there any crying or threatening to pull his spindly legs off?

I find in these situations the less said the better, made it clear though that it would be in his best interests not try screw me over.;)

Stevie Dakota

Don't bother with dentmasters for that, it is too big and you will always be able to tell. Get a proper repair done at the pr!cks expense.

maidhc

cashmni1 wrote: »

Only the panel beater will be able to tell you if it is repairable. Anyway, its easier and faster along with cheaper to replace the panel. Better job in the long run too, imo.

I think if it can be pushed out (and the art of panel beating is an impressive one), you are better off. Less chance of corrosion into the future.

it looks like an easy one to my untrained eye.

joeperry

Bigkev what type of car is it? looks like the rear quarter panel which is the hardest to repair if i'm correct?

Rowley Birkin QC

maidhc wrote: »

I think if it can be pushed out (and the art of panel beating is an impressive one), you are better off. Less chance of corrosion into the future.

it looks like an easy one to my untrained eye.

Going to e-mail it to a panel beater mate of mine at home and see what he says.

joeperry wrote: »

Bigkev what type of car is it? looks like the rear quarter panel which is the hardest to repair if i'm correct?

Its a Vectra B. Drivers side rear quarter.

iMax

Highly recommend John Sheehan 0863005522 based down off Ansley Road. Absolute craftsman.

HPT

bigkev49 wrote: »

The threat of his college or parents being informed was enough for him to admit to it having been confronted with the CCTV footage.

Sorry to hear about the hassle you've had with the car.
Did he even apologise or offer any explanation??

Rowley Birkin QC

:eek::eek:

Main dealer gave a preliminary quote of €1500 for parts and labour based on the pictures shown above. He reckoned that a good bodyshop would be looking for about €600 to sort it.

Which puts me in a bit of a dilemma. €1500 could be twice the value of what the car is worth. Even though it's not my money it would be a bit silly to put that much cash into a car in parts....


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So this guy wrote your car off then?!

Get him to pay up or contribute towards your new car.:D

Ferris

bigkev49 wrote: »

:eek::eek:

Main dealer gave a preliminary quote of €1500 for parts and labour based on the pictures shown above. He reckoned that a good bodyshop would be looking for about €600 to sort it.

Which puts me in a bit of a dilemma. €1500 could be twice the value of what the car is worth. Even though it's not my money it would be a bit silly to put that much cash into a car in parts....


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Get a grand for the car off him and keep your car until you finish college, then get him to thank you for not going to the cops. Then have a holiday .

robtri

give MotoWorld a ring, they are in D.17, but excellent work to be had up there.

smash

new panel in my opinion, it's bent on a crease... will be hard to knock out and wont be perfect when finished.

voxpop

Id go with Ferris - the car is not worth putting a new panel on. Take a grand and get it fixed if you want or just keep the cash.

Hogzy

Oh my god the satisfaction you must have got out of that phone call will probably last you a lifetime!!!! Congrats

MarkR

I'd take the cash and get a panel beater to bang it out to the approximate shape.

maidhc

MarkR wrote: »

I'd take the cash and get a panel beater to bang it out to the approximate shape.

And then fill with Isopon (with a trowel if needs be), and will look perfect and last the lifetime of the car.

mickdw

The fact that its an old car makes all the difference here. I thought it was new from the pic.
get three quotes, middle, middle & expensive and agree a figure with scumbag, If its a tidy car get a decent bodyshop to fix it for a few hundred. I wouldnt go changing a quarter panel on any car unless totally unavoidable and certainly not on your cheap car.

galwaytt

mickdw wrote: »

The fact that its an old car makes all the difference here. I thought it was new from the pic.
get three quotes, middle, middle & expensive and agree a figure with scumbag, If its a tidy car get a decent bodyshop to fix it for a few hundred. I wouldnt go changing a quarter panel on any car unless totally unavoidable and certainly not on your cheap car.

don't waste your time - your car, you pick the repair cost - go for the highest, and he can be done for malicious damage as well, let's not forget....he might want to bear that in mind while he gets the cash from the ATM.

No cheques or drafts, either.

yabadabado

i would absolutely fleece him.my mate had something similar happen him a few months back, was all on camera.he got in contact with the guy and told him he was going to the cops unless it was sorted out .he went with the most expensive quote and had 2grand more to add to the price of a new car and the garage took his one as it was think they knocked off €500 on the trade in coz off the dents.scumbags deserve to get screwed when they get caught.

cashmni1

just becuse the cost of the repair is aprox the value of the car has nothing to do with him - the toe rag -anyway, you do what you want to do to the car. If you want cash an beat it out with a piece of wood and a hammer, so be it. If you want to bring it to an Opel dealer, so be it.
Don't be worried about him.

If it were me - Just get cash and patch her up.

DonJose

That is criminal damage and should be treated so. I would contact the guards and make sure this f****r has his day in court and a conviction. Rent out a nice car while your car is being repaired and get your insurance company to send him the bill for the repair and car rental, what kind of scumbag would do this :mad:

Volvoboy

bigkev49 wrote: »

Woke up Monday morning to find this



Needless to say I was not a happy bunny.:mad:

Called into the managers office of the apt. building where I live to find they had it all on CCTV, once again I was not happy watching some little ****** putting his boot to my car.:mad::mad:

Happily though they were able to identify said ****** so they put the squeeze on him and I just had the immeasurable joy of ringing him to let him know he would be paying for it or would be getting a nice visit from our friends in blue.:cool::cool:

So can anyone recommend a quality panel beater in the Northside of Dublin, Dublin 9 if possible? (Cost isn't an issue :pac:) Is the panel fubar or do you reckon it can be popped out?

Cheers lads.

Mid 90's Vectra with no NCT, tis a write off i'm afraid.

There's some funny pre-conceptions about Panelbeating:pac:

1- Strip it down to get to the damaged area
2- Spoon it up with a dolly behind the dent and hit it with a bumping file
3- Sand off the paint with 40 grit to remove all the paint (so the isopon has somthing to grip to)
4- Fill with isopon and wait to dry (3 skims of isopon usually gets you a good idea)
5- Use 40 grit at 1st then finish the repair with 80 grit
6- DA (electric orbital sander) with 180-320 grit paper to get rid of all the scratch marks left from sanding the isopn
7- mask around the repair
8- prime 5:1 mixture
9- wait for 3-4 hrs for it to dry
10- spray guide-coat over the primer (Black Spray Paint)
11- wet sand with 600- grit paper be sure to use a rubbing block (Dont Use Your Hands!!!)
12- sand the primer until you cannot see the black paint
13- scotch the panel on the repair, dry it really well
14- pre clean the panel make sure you wipe it all off to get rid of all the grease and dirt.
15- mask all the area you dont want paint,
16- tack the panels (special rag) to get rid of bits of dirt.
17- paint 0.25 of a litre should do any small repair
18-laquer
19- it takes around 2-3 hours to dry.

Seth Brundle

bigkev49 wrote: »

Woke up Monday morning to find this



Needless to say I was not a happy bunny.:mad:

Called into the managers office of the apt. building where I live to find they had it all on CCTV, once again I was not happy watching some little ****** putting his boot to my car.:mad::mad:

Happily though they were able to identify said ****** so they put the squeeze on him and I just had the immeasurable joy of ringing him to let him know he would be paying for it or would be getting a nice visit from our friends in blue.:cool::cool:

So can anyone recommend a quality panel beater in the Northside of Dublin, Dublin 9 if possible? (Cost isn't an issue :pac:) Is the panel fubar or do you reckon it can be popped out?

Cheers lads.

Glad you were able to find the little scrote but why would you not inform the gardai? It was criminal damage and should be reported!

bigkev49 wrote: »

:eek::eek:

Main dealer gave a preliminary quote of €1500 for parts and labour based on the pictures shown above. He reckoned that a good bodyshop would be looking for about €600 to sort it.

Which puts me in a bit of a dilemma. €1500 could be twice the value of what the car is worth. Even though it's not my money it would be a bit silly to put that much cash into a car in parts....


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It was your car and if it gets written off then you will need to spend time in a rental while you are looking for another.
If you want to keep the car then thats your right. He is not an insurance company who may be in a position to make demands. The fact that the damage is working out at more than the car's value to me is irrelevant!

Darragh29

I'd be getting the cops onto him regardless and getting him charged, and then after I got the 1,800 Euro off him from the priciest main dealer estimate in town, the boys in blue would be the least of this little c*nts problems...

Guy:Incognito

I'd echo what the others have said. Wouldnt be letting him away with just paying for it. If someone crashed into my car (and didnt leg it) and paid I'd have no issue with them. What this little knacker did was way beyone accidentally crashing into someone. He deliberately kicked the car. Screw him to the wall.

Tipsy Mac

DonJose wrote: »

That is criminal damage and should be treated so. I would contact the guards and make sure this f****r has his day in court and a conviction. Rent out a nice car while your car is being repaired and get your insurance company to send him the bill for the repair and car rental, what kind of scumbag would do this :mad:

Exactly, make him pay up and then get the law, make sure he pays up in full, also make him cover the cost of a rental car while yours is getting rapaired. This idiotic chap will do this act again.

If it was me I would either destory his car, ie so it was basically a rotting cinder or else I would destroy him by taking a sledge hammer to his right knee so that the next car he went to dent would need a ramp going up to it :mad:

smashey

This reminds me of an incident I had when living in Birmingham in the early nineties.

I was out at our rugby club's annual dinner and got a wee bit tipsy and I decided to walk the mile home at approx 5.00am. When I turned on to my road, I was about 200 metres from the house and my car was parked on the street. Approximately the same distance beyond my car was some little skanger coming towards me. He kicked every car on the road and we met at my car. He looked at me, looked at the car and smirked. One well executed haymaker later and he was laying on the road with stars spinning around his head.

I called the cops and they came and took him in. I believe he was charged with criminal damage although I never knew the outcome.

biggus

Park motor centre on prussia street beside hanlons corner will do that at reasonable cost and good finish.

No point in looking for big money if this fella hasn't got it
more chance of getting 500 euro out of him and don't repair it.
Looking for 1500 write off is naive and probably unfair
(he who has not sinned cast the first Stone etc) unless he or Daddy is loaded.

The attitude of some here(screw him) shows why Insurance got so expensive in the past.
If he kicked you or your gf different story i'd throw the book at him but you want a few bob and move on.

Bearcat

i detect a very large jar of vaseline being purchased.


"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you"

Rowley Birkin QC

Cheers for the replys lads, given me a lot to think about.

Spent the day mulling it over. Going to get 3-4 quotes tommorrow and get the average cost.

Make a phonecall to the fool and tell him he owes me the average cost of the 4 quotes. Then get the car repaired on the cheap at home, there is no point putting a huge amount of money into it regardless of who is paying for it. The cash I get from him will pay for a Christmas present for herself and my insurance in January.

If he had backed into the car or stumbled against it I would look for enough to cover the cost of a patch-up. The fact the fcuker intentionally kicked it twice means I'm going to hold the threat of the law over him until the cash is in my hands.

I'm reluctant to get cash from him and get the law involved. Would it be a criminal offence or a misdimeanour?*

*@mods, if that constitutes requesting legal advice please remove, I want to keep this thread alive for a few days.

maidhc

bigkev49 wrote: »

I'm reluctant to get cash from him and get the law involved. Would it be a criminal offence or a misdimeanour?*

A misdemeanour is a criminal offence (or was until some statute or another removed the distinction between a misdemeanour and a felony). But it is criminal damage.

I echo what one poster above noted. It is stupid talk to be going on about "screwing" the guy. The reality is if you get anything you will be doing well, and the only way you will get anything is if the gardai are willing to play ball, e.g. agree not to prosecute him if he pays up. That is their sole decision, not yours.

You can of couse sue him seperately, but you are probably not actually going to get any money from him.

BE NICE TO THE GARDAI. They are your friends. You are not in a strong position! (btw this is not legal advice, but common sense!)

EDIT: I should also add that no matter what happens in the District Court, the accused is unlikely to get a €1500 fine!.. and the idea of having a criminal conviction may or may not worry him.

Rowley Birkin QC

Whoa, I never said nor inferred that I intend to screw the guy. That said I want satisfaction. He has admitted guilt to me and the management and I have it on CCTV.

To recap, he came home drunk, saw my car and left approx. €1500 worth of damage in his wake.

Guy:Incognito

biggus wrote: »

The attitude of some here(screw him) shows why Insurance got so expensive in the past.
If he kicked you or your gf different story i'd throw the book at him but you want a few bob and move on.

This has nothign to do woth insurance and/or it's prices. The guy decided to be an absolute knacker and kick someone property for no reason other than he decided to and didnt think he'd be caught. **** him and screw him for every penny possible. Might teach the little **** a lesson.

Is it somehow less of a crime because the OP's car wasnt worth much? What if it was the OP's brand new Ferrari? Would it then be worth persueing? I dont see why it makes a difference.

maidhc

Stekelly wrote: »

This has nothign to do woth insurance and/or it's prices. The guy decided to be an absolute knacker and kick someone property for no reason other than he decided to and didnt think he'd be caught. **** him and screw him for every penny possible. Might teach the little **** a lesson.

Is it somehow less of a crime because the OP's car wasnt worth much? What if it was the OP's brand new Ferrari? Would it then be worth persueing? I dont see why it makes a difference.

I wasn't inferring for a second the OP was trying to do anything he is not entitled to do.

I am merely pointing out you may indeed be entitled to €1500, but if he won't or can't pay it, then your options are limited.

If you can get €500 as another poster mentioned, then well and good. A bird in the hand and all that...

Darragh29

bigkev49 wrote: »

I'm reluctant to get cash from him and get the law involved. Would it be a criminal offence or a misdimeanour?*

These are two completely separate issues OP. The Gardai will charge him with causing criminal damage. The fact that he has paid you when the matter comes to court might be taken into account for sentencing, but he is still guilty of the offence. I'd put a saddle on this c*nt and I can tell you it would be the last time he'd lift his foot to a car again if I was in your shoes!

copacetic

similar thing happened to a work mate a few years back, he left his car overnight at the back of work and some guy kicked the crap out of it. Apparently he thought it was his car and was planning on sleeping in it after a feed of beer and went nuts when he couldn't get in. The Guards caught him as his similar car was parked a few cars along. They charged him and advised him to get the car sorted if he wanted a good hearing in court. He did and got probation act afair..

Darragh29

copacetic wrote: »

similar thing happened to a work mate a few years back, he left his car overnight at the back of work and some guy kicked the crap out of it. Apparently he thought it was his car and was planning on sleeping in it after a feed of beer and went nuts when he couldn't get in. The Guards caught him as his similar car was parked a few cars along. They charged him and advised him to get the car sorted if he wanted a good hearing in court. He did and got probation act afair..

That's all this pea balled c*nt will get if its a first offence. Still though, I'd let him away with NOTHING, now that I'd know who he is and I'd also pay a visit to his auld boy and give him a close up tour of the shrubs in his front garden...

copacetic

Darragh29 wrote: »

That's all this pea balled c*nt will get if its a first offence. Still though, I'd let him away with NOTHING, now that I'd know who he is and I'd also pay a visit to his auld boy and give him a close up tour of the shrubs in his front garden...

probably but if he is charged and doesn't get the car sorted he could get be in a bit more trouble in court.