TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

mossym

John Dough wrote: »

All very well having Mpeg4 TVs but when a proper Irish service starts they will probably use DVB-T2 as in the U.K. or perhaps something else that is not on the market yet and stuff the poor punter again!!

just get an mpeg4 tv with dvb-t2 then if you think that will happen, reckon it's doubtful at this stage though

Kensington

John Dough wrote: »

they will probably use DVB-T2

Oh god, not this again...

John Dough

mossym wrote: »

just get an mpeg4 tv with dvb-t2 then if you think that will happen, reckon it's doubtful at this stage though

If you can find one m8.:D

mossym

John Dough wrote: »

If you can find one m8.:D

i have one, LE40C650, confirmed DVB-T2 in the uk, works fine with mpeg4 here

i didn't get it for t2 support though, nothing to suggest it will be used here. as kensington so directly alluded to, this has been discussed at length already

John Dough

Would not touch a Samsung with a 40ft pole seen too many with dead pixels.
T2 will be used here just a matter of time.

mossym

John Dough wrote: »

Would not touch a Samsung with a 40ft pole seen too many with dead pixels.

you just said find one, you didn't mention any other criteria.

John Dough wrote: »

T2 will be used here just a matter of time.

great, you can give us your source for this info and put all the endless debate to rest,

Pangea

Found a good size chart for Tvs if anyone is not sure what size to get.
http://www.sony.ie/hub/bravia-lcd-televisions/4/1

I have been told that Sony have discontinued the W5810 tvs!
Closet thing to it is the EX503 with no Freesat.

How do you folks rate the Ex503, is it Saorview ready? etc.

watty

I'd agree that chart is about correct.

Full HD (1920 x 1080 or 1920 x 1200)
Divide the viewing distance in cm by about 3 to get TV diagonal size in inches.

HD Ready (1366 x 768 typically)
Divide the viewing distance in cm by about 4 to get TV diagonal size in inches.


SD Widescreen (16:9)
Divide the viewing distance in cm by about 6 to get TV diagonal size in inches.

SD 4:3
Divide the viewing distance in cm by about 7 to get TV diagonal size in inches. If it's a 4:3 set that has WS mode, and you want mostly WS on it use value of 5 as picture doesn't fill screen.

Pick nearest bigger size.

John mac

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

watty

That's for serious OAR Projection watchers, rather than just regular TV.

Pangea

Pangea wrote: »

my competition was the sony xxW5810 or LG XXLD690

Amazing how much change can happen in one week in the pursuit of a good tv.
The W5810 is no longer for sale anymore and the LG LD690 has just jumped from 889 euro to 1092.99 in Argos.
:mad::mad::mad:

I was thinking of the Bravia EX503 but I have heard it has a good lag for gaming which would bother me.
I am puzzled now. All the new Tvs will be coming into the market in a few months but I dont think I can wait that long.

watty

Why?

There isn't even an official Digital Service for a few months.

A TV should last for many years. Waiting a few months to get one that isn't paritially obsolete seems a good plan.

Pangea

watty wrote: »

Why?

There isn't even an official Digital Service for a few months.

A TV should last for many years. Waiting a few months to get one that isn't paritially obsolete seems a good plan.

My Old tv is broke and not working anymore thats why
Maybe the wait will be worth it though.

watty

Sorry to hear it.

Then buy an inexpensive one that can be a 2nd TV with set-box or buy a Full HD set and bear in mind it might need a setbox.

John Dough

It is quite obvious T2 will be used as HD will be the defacto requirement now.

Kensington

John Dough wrote: »

It is quite obvious T2 will be used as HD will be the defacto requirement now.

And how do you arrive at this *obvious* conclusion?

John Dough

Manufacturers have been told by the E.U. to phase out DVB-T and mpeg 2 tuners as there is widespread confusion among residents of the E.U. regarding standards.

All retailers now have to label their tvs with the correct spec. tuner as sets were being dumped by most of the big supermarkets /catalogue firms etc. on the E.U. market with old mpeg2 tuners which would not work with most of the newer Mpeg 4 transmissions or HD hence the use of T2 tuners nowadays.
Check the E.U. website for specific details

Kensington

John Dough wrote: »

Manufacturers have been told by the E.U. to phase out DVB-T and mpeg 2 tuners as there is widespread confusion among residents of the E.U. regarding standards.

All retailers now have to label their tvs with the correct spec. tuner as sets were being dumped by most of the big supermarkets /catalogue firms etc. on the E.U. market with old mpeg2 tuners which would not work with most of the newer Mpeg 4 transmissions or HD hence the use of T2 tuners nowadays.
Check the E.U. website for specific details

The EU may be moving to standardise receiver specs however it simply means future receivers must be DVB-T2 capable. Transmissions will carry on as normal in DVB-T across the EU.

Apogee

John Dough wrote: »

Manufacturers have been told by the E.U. to phase out DVB-T and mpeg 2 tuners as there is widespread confusion among residents of the E.U. regarding standards.

All retailers now have to label their tvs with the correct spec. tuner as sets were being dumped by most of the big supermarkets /catalogue firms etc. on the E.U. market with old mpeg2 tuners which would not work with most of the newer Mpeg 4 transmissions or HD hence the use of T2 tuners nowadays.
Check the E.U. website for specific details

The EU have started a push to phase out MPEG2 video compression for MPEG4. When did they mention DVB-T2?

watty

DVB-t2 MPEG4 sets of course work fine with
DVB-t MPEG4
DVB-t MPEG2

Sponge Bob

Whoa, is it the EU or France. France does not allow a TV to be sold as HD Ready without Mpeg4 because the French HD DTT network uses Mpeg4.

This for nearly 2 years .

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000248397&dateTexte=

French to English translation ( translate.google.com is wonderful)

Within nine months from the date of enactment of this Act, the TVs sold through industrial distributors of consumer electronics in the country include an adapter to receive services of digital terrestrial television.

Within twelve months from the date of enactment of this Act, the televisions sold to consumers in the country include an adapter for receiving the services of digital terrestrial television.

From 1 December 2008, televisions and recorders for sale by a professional for receiving the HD programs include an adapter for this purpose.

From 1 December 2009, televisions over 66 inches diagonal screen for individuals for receiving the digital terrestrial television services at their disposal by a professional to a particular need to integrate an adapter that allows reception of all free programs of digital terrestrial television, high definition and standard definition.

From 1 December 2012, all televisions to individuals for receiving the digital terrestrial television services at their disposal by a particular professional, need an adapter that allows reception of all programs Free digital terrestrial TV in high definition and standard definition.

From 1 December 2012, the individual adapters for receiving digital terrestrial television services at their disposal by a professional to a particular need to allow reception of all free programs DTT in high definition and standard definition.

The Cush

John Dough wrote: »

It is quite obvious T2 will be used as HD will be the defacto requirement now.

At minimum DTT HD will only require DVB-T/MPEG-4, e.g. a recent Spanish Royal Decree (Law 691/2010) sets the requirements for the rollout of DTT HD services in Spain as DVB-T with H.264/MPEG-4 video compression standard (although future more efficient standards are not ruled out). Spain has carried out some DVB-T2 trials but the Law only requires DVB-T/MPEG-4 tuners within 6 months.

John Dough wrote: »

Manufacturers have been told by the E.U. to phase out DVB-T and mpeg 2 tuners as there is widespread confusion among residents of the E.U. regarding standards.

All retailers now have to label their tvs with the correct spec. tuner as sets were being dumped by most of the big supermarkets /catalogue firms etc. on the E.U. market with old mpeg2 tuners which would not work with most of the newer Mpeg 4 transmissions or HD hence the use of T2 tuners nowadays.
Check the E.U. website for specific details

Kensington wrote: »

The EU may be moving to standardise receiver specs however it simply means future receivers must be DVB-T2 capable. Transmissions will carry on as normal in DVB-T across the EU.

Apogee wrote: »

The EU have started a push to phase out MPEG2 video compression for MPEG4. When did they mention DVB-T2?

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Whoa, is it the EU or France.

@ John Dough
No such requirement that I know of, can you post a link?

You may be getting confused with an EC Digital Dividend consultation launched 12 months ago (previous post & post) which discussed options for the efficient use of spectrum post Digital Dividend including - the availability of a compression standard on all DTT receivers sold after 1 January 2012 that is at least as efficient as the H264/MPEG-4 AVC standard (taking into consideration the average renewal time frame for set-top boxes and TV sets of 5 to 8 years when thinking of transitioning from existing MPEG-2 services) and "promoting collaboration between Member States to share future broadcasting network deployment plans (e.g. migration to MPEG-4 or DVB-T2)".

Following the consultation the Commission, in late Oct 2009, published it's response in COM(2009) 586. No binding decisions were made only "promising initiatives".

Hairy Ned

Hi i need a tv Irish dtt ready Mpeg4, for kitchen a 22 to 24 ins would do which one would you guys recommend.

STB

Hairy Ned wrote: »

Hi i need a tv Irish dtt ready Mpeg4, for kitchen a 22 to 24 ins would do which one would you guys recommend.

Pick One (make sure it says TNT HD/MPEG4 in description - most of them do, some good bargains to be had)

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/rf/tnt-hd/__?t=3_1 €180 up.

reslfj

The Cush wrote: »

Following the consultation the Commission, in late Oct 2009, published it's response in COM(2009) 586. No binding decisions were made only "promising initiatives".

The Commisson decided to focus on recommending:

1. The 800 MHz band for mobile broadband - EU wide.

2. DSO as early as possible and best before 2012 - EU wide.

Several comments at the time of the consultation were along the lines -
"MPEG4 and DVB-T2 will be standard in consumer products rather soon anyway"


Lars

upsilon

carefull it needs to be mheg-5 as well to get the benefit on electronic program guide.

Sam Russell

upsilon wrote: »

carefull it needs to be mheg-5 as well to get the benefit on electronic program guide.

Could MHEG5 be added by a firmware update to a product? Also is MHEG5 a licenced product?

STB

Sam Russell wrote: »

Could MHEG5 be added by a firmware update to a product? Also is MHEG5 a licenced product?

Yes and No and Yes.

Yes it could be sorted with a firmware upgrade. No it wont be because Yes its a licensed product. The reluctance would be there from the manufacturer to add it on afterwards.

Infact in most cases you will find it locked down in the firmware to country profile ie choose a country other than UK and its turned off.

Sam Russell

STB wrote: »

Yes and No and Yes.

Yes it could be sorted with a firmware upgrade. No it wont be because Yes its a licensed product. The reluctance would be there from the manufacturer to add it on afterwards.

Infact in most cases you will find it locked down in the firmware to country profile ie choose a country other than UK and its turned off.

Is it possible to 'alter' the effects of country code in firmware? For example, make the UK settings work for Ireland. I'm thinking of the Freesat/Freeview iDTVs where the country code would be UK for Freesat but Ireland for Saorview.

STB

Sam Russell wrote: »

Is it possible to 'alter' the effects of country code in firmware? For example, make the UK settings work for Ireland. I'm thinking of the Freesat/Freeview iDTVs where the country code would be UK for Freesat but Ireland for Saorview.

Not knowing if there are limitations to the particular licence usage of MHEG5 in certain products and nature of the licensing is the problem.

I would imagine that in the case that it licensed on a unit basis rather than country usage basis that the answer is YES, it could be "ticked on" in the Irish firmware, if the firmware was tweaked.

Getting the manufacturer to bother to do this is the obstacle then. Little old Ireland, they might not necessarily be bothered to roll out a firmware flash update - SD slot/USB required on TV.

LG are very proactive in this regard especially in Poland.