Ireland v New Zealand; Croke Park 5.15pm (pre/during/post discussion thread)

juvenal

So the day is upon us, where a team under new management and coming after arguably the most disappointing season in Irish Rugby, have a shot at immortality.

In eighty-odd minutes, Ireland can reach heights never seen in 103 years of matches against the All Blacks. Having pitted the best talent in the country against the perennial standard-bearers of Rugby Union on twenty-one occasions, we’ve failed in twenty attempts and managed a draw in the one remaining fixture.

There’s something about tomorrow that has all the markings of a historic day in Irish Rugby. Perhaps it’s petty to be this obsessed with beating one team, especially in a fixture that only has a bearing on IRB world rankings, rather than in the performance and development of the players and team as a whole. On the other hand, to truly test oneself, one must pit themselves against the finest available, and it’s safe to say that at the moment, the New Zealand All Blacks are the benchmark against international rugby teams are judged.

It may be a throttling by the visitors and a huge disappointment to majority of the 82,300 or so people in attendance, or it may be a day that will live long in the memory and that will be recounted again and again to offspring and anyone who will listen – only time will tell. No matter what, it’ll be a bloody great occasion, and I look forward to the whole day, especially when the anthems start around 5.05pm and I’m perched high above the pitch in the Cusack Stand.:)

My head says New Zealand in a breathtaking display of rugby that we will be privileged to see, and my heart says Ireland, with the Gael producing a performance and victory that will be forever recalled by those present and in the annals of great events that took place on this hallowed turf.

Anyway, enough of my late-night ramblings and onto the facts that we are aware of:

Ireland v New Zealand
Saturday, 15 November 2008 @ 5.15pm
Croke Park, Dublin
Live on RTÉ2, RTÉ Radio 1 and RTÉ.ie; BBC2

No. | IRELAND | NEW ZEALAND

15 | Girvan Dempsey | Mils Muliaina

14 | Tommy Bowe | Joe Rokocoko
13 | Brian O'Driscoll (capt) | Conrad Smith
12 | Luke Fitzgerald | Ma'a Nonu
11 | Robert Kearney | Sitiveni Sivivatu
10 | Ronan O'Gara | Dan Carter
9 | Tomas O'Leary | Jimmy Cowan
8 | Jamie Heaslip | Rodney So'oialo
7 | David Wallace | Richie McCaw (capt)
6 | Alan Quinlan | Jerome Kaino
5 | Paul O'Connell | Ali Williams
4 | Donncha O'Callaghan | Brad Thorn
3 | John Hayes | Neemia Tialata
2 | Rory Best | Keven Mealamu
1 | Marcus Horan | Tony Woodcock

Irish Replacements: Jerry Flannery, Tony Buckley, Stephen Ferris, Shane Jennings, Eoin Reddan, Paddy Wallace, Keith Earls

New Zealand Replacements: Corey Flynn, John Afoa, Anthony Boric, Kieran Read, Piri Weepu, Stephen Donald, Isaia Toeava

Officials:

Match referee: Mark Lawrence (South Africa)
Touch judges: Jonathan Kaplan (SA), Cobus Wessels (SA)
Technical monitor: Johan Meuwesen (SA)

corny

I think the key to the game is at the breakdown. If the New Zealanders are allowed to push the rules, as so often is the case, i think they'll murder us out wide with quick ball. I hope we really take it to them up front with ROG putting the ball in behind them quite a bit. If we stop them and impose ourselves we might come out on top.

redroar1942

Did anyone see anything against Canada to suggest we could compete today?

I certainly wouldn't be getting too carried away by our nearly results in the summer against Oz and AB's teams playing together for the first time in the first game of their season.

efb

on the train, can't wait, NZ by less than 7

jayteecork

I think this could be Ireland's day.

We all know Kidney has game plans to stop the big teams playing rugby.

Look what Munster used do to the big teams under him.

I have a small wager on Ireland @ 11/4 so here's hoping.

RugbyFanatic

today's forecast :

Mostly cloudy. Scattered outbreaks of rain and drizzle. Dry intervals also. Mild and humid

looks like the ball will be thrown around

louthandproud

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

today's forecast :

Mostly cloudy. Scattered outbreaks of rain and drizzle. Dry intervals also. Mild and humid

looks like the ball will be thrown around

Duffel coat, or light rain jacket weather? 5 Minute to decide before leaving for train station!

Micky Dolenz

I can see Ireland turning these boys over for three reasons.

1 Kidney is a master tacticain

2 The squad are fired up to impress new boss and lay old ghosts to rest

3 O Driscoll has a score to settle and I am sure it has been mentioned more than once between the squad, The Irish team will stand firm behind their captain and seek retribution. Also O Driscoll has been in inspired form these last few months esp in the big games.

COME ON IRELAND

Micky Dolenz

louthandproud wrote: »

Duffel coat, or light rain jacket weather? 5 Minute to decide before leaving for train station!

Bring both, you'll probably need them

ironingbored

Anyone read Zinzane Brooke's condescending article on the BBC website?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/7725697.stm

"It's probably a blessing in disguise for them the way the fixtures have fallen, with Scotland first, then Ireland, before the biggest Tests - Wales and England."

So Wales and England are bigger tests than ireland? I can remember England testing the All Blacks at all recently. Ireland have run them closer on many more occasions.

"The Irish have some good individuals, but the All Blacks will ask questions of them as a collective unit, and I can't see them giving New Zealand too many problems."

Let's hope we can prove him wrong!

"I think the All Blacks will roll them over."

If I were Kidney I'd be sticking that up in the dressing room.

BOHSBOHS

we will be worn out !!

according to the bbc sport website
were playing scotland at 1430 away then NZ at home after that:eek:

FIXTURES:

1430 GMT: England v Australia

Match preview
1430 GMT: Scotland v Ireland

Match preview
1715 GMT: Ireland v New Zealand

Match preview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/7731065.stm

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Noopti

Yeah, I have seen that AB program before, it's pretty good. Shows how much it means to be selected for the All Blacks.

However, did you see the early attempts at the Haka.....hilarious. Reminded me of 15 drunk uncles at a wedding trying to do the steps to pop songs dance routine.

jayteecork

Noopti wrote: »

Yeah, I have seen that AB program before, it's pretty good. Shows how much it means to be selected for the All Blacks.

However, did you see the early attempts at the Haka.....hilarious. Reminded me of 15 drunk uncles at a wedding trying to do the steps to pop songs dance routine.

Even in the 70s and 80s the Haka looked ridiculous.

It was only after they started getting some Maori on the team it actually started looking intimidating.

juvenal

Just got into the upper Cusack now.

Very mild breeze, and the pitch looks immaculate. Also nice to see that the Hill has remained a terrace for the match - they haven't put in the bucket seats for the Ireland - Poland match yet.

Anyone know how I can upload a photo from my phone to boards!

jayteecork

juvenal wrote: »

Just got into the upper Cusack now.

Very mild breeze, and the pitch looks immaculate. Also nice to see that the Hill has remained a terrace for the match - they haven't put in the bucket seats for the Ireland - Poland match yet.

Anyone know how I can upload a photo from my phone to boards!

Not sure.

Try uploading the snap to www.imageshack.us and posting the link here.

RugbyFanatic

juvenal wrote: »

Anyone know how I can upload a photo from my phone to boards!

Email it to yourself, save and then attach.

juvenal

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Email it to yourself, save and then attach.

I already did that, but I'm on the boards mobile site, and I don't think it's an option?

Players from both teams are currently doing a walk about on the pitch.

RugbyFanatic

Oh I don't know then.

Anyways off to the pub

CMON IRELAND

Stev_o

Im expecting alot form our wingers, Johne Murphy has added another try to his season with Leicester today and really should be banging Kidneys door down to ask why he isnt in the squad.

Stev_o

Also why the hell do RTE employ McGuirk he's one of the worst presenters iv ever seen doesnt understand the modern game at all in fact i doubt if he even watches any rugby outside his job.

gcgirl

All i'll say is come on Ireland :-) hopefully we can really push the all blacks today and create a little history !

Gingervitis

Stev_o wrote: »

Also why the hell do RTE employ McGuirk he's one of the worst presenters iv ever seen doesnt understand the modern game at all in fact i doubt if he even watches any rugby outside his job.

also, he is ridiculously pompous and insufferably arrogant. Very annoying on the radio too. Bring in Bill O Herlihy!

Stev_o

Oh dear great quote from McGuirk

But there's 80,000 Irish people out there that could to them that did to England :rolleyes:

Cause New Zealand always get lovely crowds in Australia and even more so in South Africa:rolleyes:

Oh deary dear what awful awful commentating

Chucky the tree

Stev_o wrote: »

Also why the hell do RTE employ McGuirk he's one of the worst presenters iv ever seen doesnt understand the modern game at all in fact i doubt if he even watches any rugby outside his job.

Cant stand him.


"Is anyone brave enough to predict an Irish win?" Wtf does bravery have to do with predicting an irish win?! If you think they will win, you say it. It doesnt take bravery to say it. :rolleyes:

Ponster

Stick to the BBC commentary I say...

Stev_o

NZ have never lost a match when doing the Kapa O Pango something to note

Stev_o

Camera angles being used by RTE seem very very far away tis strange on the eyes

Stev_o

NZ getting over the gainline with ease, really targeting our wing defense which looks shaky at best

Bobalicious93

Why are the Paddy Power ads on pitchside on the far side of the pitch upside-down?

asdasd

Why are the Paddy Power ads on pitchside on the far side of the pitch upside-down?

Tut, that's the right way up for antipodean viewers.

Ponster

Good game. we're kinda lucky to be still at 0-0

We're a little scrappy when we have the ball though.

Stev_o

Quinlan really needs to be careful i wouldnt be surprised if he gets binned tonight

Stev_o

Oh sweet Jesus ROG what was that? David Skrela in disguise?

mikeruurds

As a South African, I approve of the reffing so far in this game...:pac:

Stev_o

Harsh call? I dunno iv seen ref's give a penalty try and not give a yellow card and the other way around havent seen ref's use both

FrankGrimes

Listening to this online from the US, audio only - was that decision as bad as it sounds?

Stev_o

FrankGrimes wrote: »

Listening to this online from the US, audio only - was that decision as bad as it sounds?

No it was deserved but just as i said iv seen that decisions were one or the other way awarded and not both.

Noopti

Bloody typical.....level the game with 2 minutes in the 1st half and a penalty try....and a yellow card. Hopefully the lads will come out in the 2nd half and do what most teams seem to do when they are down to 14 men......play even better!

ninebeanrows

Disgraceful decision.

What were the RTE commentry talking about.

He got to the fekin ball. Couldn't be a penalty TRY.

Stev_o

Noopti wrote: »

Bloody typical.....level the game with 2 minutes in the 1st half and a penalty try....and a yellow card. Hopefully the lads will come out in the 2nd half and do what most teams seem to do when they are down to 14 men......play even better!

Its a huge ask considering NZ are really pushing us on the wings and are targeting that area

Micky Dolenz

Deserved penalty try. Hope we don't fall apart with 14 v 15

rebel girl 15

Harsh on Ireland re the try - O Gara was fouled before the try was scored

andyman

The penalty try I see no problem with. But the yellow was absolutely uncalled for. Where was the yellow for the high tackle from Sivivatu?

And what the hell was that re: O'Driscoll's kick! The touch judge put his flag up to note an infringement, and it bloody was! Yet the ref played it on. Joke of a decision.

rebel girl 15

the problem with Ireland is that they are panicking down in the 22. Its going to be a big ask to win now, but I'm sure the lads will come out fighting in the second half.

Stev_o

andyman wrote: »

The penalty try I see no problem with. But the yellow was absolutely uncalled for. Where was the yellow for the high tackle from Sivivatu?

And what the hell was that re: O'Driscoll's kick! The touch judge put his flag up to note an infringement, and it bloody was! Yet the ref played it on. Joke of a decision.

It wasnt high, it was a legitimate tackle but he rose once he connected most ref's would of let it be.

And btw 90% of ref's these days will not award a penalty against players barging other players when they kick i know its in the rules but sadly thats the way its being reffed

Stev_o

Life easier for the boys for the next 10 minutes

rebel girl 15

should have been a red card for woodcock

andyman

Stev_o wrote: »

It wasnt high, it was a legitimate tackle but he rose once he connected most ref's would of let it be.

And btw 90% of ref's these days will not award a penalty against players barging other players when they kick i know its in the rules but sadly thats the way its being reffed

But the ref said it was high. High tackles should be yellow card offences if Bowe got a joke of a yellow.

And why wasn't Woodcock red carded? There's no room in rugby for punching.

Stev_o

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

should have been a red card for woodcock

Reactions are generally yellow though i havent see the footage of it.

Also how the hell did Carter get through there? He was juggling with the ball and managed to glide through the defence

Stev_o

andyman wrote: »

But the ref said it was high. High tackles should be yellow card offences if Bowe got a joke of a yellow.

And why wasn't Woodcock red carded? There's no room in rugby for punching.

Nah he said to rose high completely different thus meaning it wasnt intentional more accidental.

Ha mate rugby is filled with punching whether we like it or not its just the physical nature of the game yes there's no place for it but ref's have to take into account that pro players (well most) dont punch for no reason most of them are generally reactions to a provocation thus a yellow