SD&MA board dying??

Judomad

Would anybody else agree that since the MMA board has been created that the both boards have quietened down ALOT, i think the old system was better, now we dont have any TMA vs. MMA discussions and also alot less people use both now imo.. what do the rest of you boardsters think??

silat liam

Kinda agree with you. I think the main problem there seems no new people becoming regular posters, and alot of the guys who been around a while have move away or stop posting anymore. I think you can have only have the same conversation so many times, so people stop posting. From my own art and style which is very much a minority, it proving to me almost impossible to get them to post on boards and get threads going.

muckwarrior

I still prefer being able to read about topics separately on the MMA forum rather than having almost everything confined to one thread. I think it's inevitable that after the initial split things will quieten down a little but I reckon both forums will retain a solid user base.

Jason Mc

one forum makes more sense to me

I now have to click the mouse button more which takes up a lot of energy:(

Nothingcompares

it is hard to say whether people have just lost interest or its due to the spiliting of the forum.

it's just evolved

Khannie

I'm actually surprised at how much posting there has been on here. Thought things had worked out quite well tbh. Maybe I'm wrong. Some stats would be interesting.

Roper

It's certainly less of a pain in the hole. I think it suits everyone, there's some threads on here that are surviving longer cos they're not buried among the 15 Brock vs. Randy threads.

Baggio...

Judomad wrote: »

Would anybody else agree that since the MMA board has been created that the both boards have quietened down ALOT

Personally, I wouldn't really agree with you here. I still think the change is for the best, but not everyone will agree. I also think the whole TMA vs MMA thing has been done to death.

The reason I've stopped posting here, is that I've been just too damn busy with lots of other projects. I'm sure there's a few other guys who are in the same boat.

Real life, has a habit of getting in the way, but what can you do?:(

TKD SC

Yeah, I probably prefer the set-up this way too. Seems to be a fair few posts still popping up, and better to have all the mma fight commentary in a seperate forum. Also nice not having anymore tma v mma etc arguments - think we've had enough of them for at least a year!

Colm_OReilly

I have to say I was against a splitting but I'm happy to have been proven wrong. I like how this forum is really for the Irish scene and training, and the MMA is a fan forum (understandably there's some cross over)

As for being quiet, think of it like this: If you built classes up to 10 people per class, and decided to split it into two smaller classes. Both would seem a lot quieter by comparison for a while.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I have to say I like the change too.

I like it that almost everyone posting here (SD&MA) are training in their chosen style so we're all getting a good insight into those styles.

The constant UFC discussion on the forum was a pain in the hole & at one stage seemed like a merge with the pro-wrestling forum (where its almost entirely fan based) would not have been a bad idea.

zenmonk

I stopped visiting the forum when it was just one forum. This is far better.

cowzerp

Now this forum is mainly

Where can i find judo?
swords has a judo club!
O'K thanks, and do they take old people? im 21!
Yes! But your not old, Mairt is nearly 60!
etc
etc
etc...

The debates where actually good for learning and getting a different view on some training techniques etc..although i wanted a seperate forum so i cant complain-:)

MMA forum just talks about events, mainly ufc. no real training stuff or style stuff..

Niall Keane

"It's certainly less of a pain in the hole. I think it suits everyone, there's some threads on here that are surviving longer cos they're not buried among the 15 Brock vs. Randy threads."

I agree, have started checking in on the threads again.

cowzerp

Thats never been a problem on this forum, people saying mma is superior can be, but whats wrong with that if its got some sort of debate involved!

on the mma thread on this site stuff did get lost though in my opinion..

maybe keep that as the mma fans page and this as a martial arts including mma forum, training and skills talk on this..

TKD SC

Yeh, I would see this forum as a forum for people who currently train in / looking to train in / upcoming seminars, comps, training methods, self defence, etc, etc. And that training can be any MA, including MMA training.

And the MMA forum as non training related, and more fan based, talking about the various fights / fighters etc.

arybvtcw0eolkf

TKD SC wrote: »

Yeh, I would see this forum as a forum for people who currently train in / looking to train in / upcoming seminars, comps, training methods, self defence, etc, etc. And that training can be any MA, including MMA training.

And the MMA forum as non training related, and more fan based, talking about the various fights / fighters etc.

Thats pretty much how I see it too, and I say this at the risk of sounding like I don't respect the MMA fighters, I do. I hold each and everyone of them in the highest respect, except Paul Cowzer - just because he wants to be just like me when he grows up (or gets older) :P

The old SD&MA forum was old and stagnant, to put it into training terms - it had reached a plateau and needed a good kick up the arse to get it moving again.

IMO, its moving again.

David Jones

Would anybody else agree that since the MMA board has been created that the both boards have quietened down ALOT, i think the old system was better,

It was foretold.................

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055316706

arybvtcw0eolkf

David Jones wrote: »

It was foretold.................

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055316706

It twas indeed...

Mairt wrote: »

I think its a good idea to give this forum an MMA sub-forum at this stage, whilst keeping BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai etc here.

I think it would clean up the clutter.

David Jones

I was thinking more along the lines of

Originally Posted by Judomad
NO, its not, its working fine how it is now, and i think if you take MMA out of SD&MA the SD&MA forum will suffer and eventually become how it used to be-boring!!

Originally Posted by Dragan
If you removed MMA discussion at the moment it would pretty much become a dead entity.

Originally posted by Neil1984 I think its fine, its the "self defence and MARTIAL ARTS" forum and MMA is "Mixed MARTIAL ARTS" so tbh I think its fine here. The "market" so to speak is there for an MMA Forum but i think its good here as it is.

yomchi

Maybe it's because all the MAists of this world are busy training, and living. And the fans are busy watching telly and posting on Boards

Judomad

David Jones wrote: »

It was foretold.................

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055316706

Dave maybe its quiet due to the amount of people doing there white eye monkey fish kung fu, its a possibility ya know..

no but honestly i do think it worked better the other way, butneven at that, i had a 2nd motive for this thread, its causing a little more activity isn't it.....

David Jones

i had a 2nd motive for this thread, its causing a little more activity isn't it.....

I kind of had a feeling thats what you were up to.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Jon wrote: »

Maybe it's because all the MAists of this world are busy training, and living. And the fans are busy watching telly and posting on Boards

When it comes to the UFC I couldn't agree more.

I mean, I couldn't give a rats arse who Brock Lesner wants to fight next, or any of the other soap opera drama surrounding fighters in the upper echelons of the UFC. So for me at least it suits me that the fans post that stuff in another forum.

MMA practitioner's can still post about training etc in this forum, wasn't that was DRAGAN said when the forum split originally?.

I'd love to read more from our own national fighters, they're the guys I follow - not the UFC soap opera.

Gary if your aim in posting this here was to generate activity, you've too much bloody time on your hands

Furious-Dave

I think the split is a good thing and now that it has happened a lot of TMA and not combat martial artists will start to come back to this forum. Ok it might mean that there will be discussions that some of the existing users find boring, but so what, they don't have to read them.
The old way may have worked for some but what about those who were put off by all the MMA talk and felt that if they started a thread about their style it would be trampled down very quickly by the MMA people? The old combined forum was pretty much an MMA forum as it was, with some threads on other topics. The new MMA forum isn't going to be much different, but this forum will give others a chance to have proper discussions about their individual styles.

David Jones

Ok it might mean that there will be discussions that some of the existing users find boring, but so what, they don't have to read them.

Could someone not interested in MMA not have followed this rule under the old forum?

Arent we running the risk that MMA practitioners will be "put off" by TMA posts and fear their opinions may be trampled on? But thats ok?

Furious-Dave

David Jones wrote: »

Could someone not interested in MMA not have followed this rule under the old forum?

Arent we running the risk that MMA practitioners will be "put off" by TMA posts and fear their opinions may be trampled on? But thats ok?

Of course TMA could have done the same, but there was so many MMA threads before and the a lot of the regular posters are MMA practioners. Now with the two forums both groups have their own space.

Roper

Yes, now nobody challenges anyone and we can all live blissfully in our own little world and never have to look at those wifebeater wearing, chest waxing, shaven headed, tatooed neanderthals again!

Ninjas, you know I'm talking about you!

It is a bit dull and if it this was 4 years ago I would be pissed and saying what Dave is saying about nobody being challenged and there being no discussion and no debate. These days though, everyone that matters has seen the light and I'm no longer interested in trying to drag people kicking and screaming into the 21st century. When the kids I'm training are 25 they'll all be retired and the world will be mine at last.

Furious-Dave

All I'm saying is that now that MMA has it's own forum TMA people will probably start posting more in SD&MA. I really don't care if their training methods are out-dated or whatever. Of course there should be criticism, it's healthy for those who are willing to accept it. It's just that very often the criticism coming from MMA people, especially on a forum dominated by MMA people, can be like a stampede and will drive people away.

yomchi

I think the split is a good thing and now that it has happened a lot of TMA and not combat martial artists will start to come back to this forum.

FD - What is a non combat martial artists??

a paradox maybe?

j walsh

its going to be quieter for a little while but it should devolop
i think its far easier and better.

David Jones

I really don't care if their training methods are out-dated or whatever

There is a criticism if ever I read one. Off to the MMA forum with you sonny, you are driving "TMA people" ( are they like crab-people? ) away in droves with comments like that.

I never thought I would see the day where we had to create a seperate internet space to make other martial artists (and since apparently they are non combat martial artists I use that term loosely), feel safe! Laughable. If you cant fight your own corner on here, there is no hope.

Maybe we should have a politically correct martial arts sub forum, where you can only massage someone elses ego and talk lovingly about their particular style and training methods.

Tim_Murphy

FD - What is a non combat martial artists??

One that has little/nothing to do with actual fighting I'd imagine. Aikido or ITF TKD would probably be two examples.

Roper

Dave I'm just jaded man, totally burnt out. After my conversion to MMA I became a shock troop for the revolution, but they used me, left me a hollow, burnt out shell and now all I have left is my hatred.



So leave the people to their ego massage and stuff that won't work. Everyone knows if the offer is right that I'll be back for the seqeul anyway.

TKD SC

David Jones wrote: »

I never thought I would see the day where we had to create a seperate internet space to make other martial artists (and since apparently they are non combat martial artists I use that term loosely), feel safe! Laughable. If you cant fight your own corner on here, there is no hope.

Maybe we should have a politically correct martial arts sub forum, where you can only massage someone elses ego and talk lovingly about their particular style and training methods.

I still think that it is working as follows (or should work this way), that the seperate MMA forum is for fans to discuss various events / fighters. And that this forum is for all MAers to discuss all training etc. Similar to how the boxing forum is primarily discussing upcoming fights / fighters.

I know if I had any query / thoughts on training or technique whether it was tkd, mma or boxing related I'd post it here above the mma or boxing forums.

I'd hope debates on styles and training methods would remain here...

TKD SC

Roper wrote: »

Dave I'm just jaded man, totally burnt out. After my conversion to MMA I became a shock troop for the revolution, but they used me, left me a hollow, burnt out shell and now all I have left is my hatred.



So leave the people to their ego massage and stuff that won't work. Everyone knows if the offer is right that I'll be back for the seqeul anyway.

Which one are you meant to be in the photo?! :P

Furious-Dave

Sorry what I meant by "non-combat martial artist" was one that was not involved in combat sports, but also not TMA. Non-combat was completely the wrong word to use. Non-sporting would have been better.

I'm just saying that from experience on other forums and chatrooms when MMA has it's own room discussions of other styles and training will become more common. And that will happen here too after the split.

I did say that there should be criticism and that it is healthy. Ok my comment was a bit ignorant, but I wasn't trying to be critical. I was merely saying let TMA people talk about whatever they want, without MMA people swarming all over them.

yomchi

Cheers Dave, thought you meant that alright.

Niall Keane

NK:
"It's certainly less of a pain in the hole. I think it suits everyone, there's some threads on here that are surviving longer cos they're not buried among the 15 Brock vs. Randy threads."

I agree, have started checking in on the threads again.

Cowzerp:
“Thats never been a problem on this forum, people saying mma is superior can be, but whats wrong with that if its got some sort of debate involved!”

??????????
I was agreeing with a previous post, I am not a delusional human being, and I think I am probably in a better position than you to explain how “I” felt about the forum, and a problem “I” had with it.
Perhaps, it wasn’t a problem for you, but clearly I’m not alone in this opinion, so please don’t instantly invalidate it with “That’s never been a problem”.
I like many posters here work and when not working will be training, giving classes etc. or trying to make up to my wife for spending so much time elsewhere, this doesn’t leave me a great deal of time to post. So now that the every few minutes frequency of MMA match highlights, discussion has been removed it leaves time for people to hit on topics of interest. I say highlights, it seemed at times every movement of every match and every comment by every fighter / organizer and every deal in progress was being discussed, I often posted say on sanshou one day and found it two pages down the next, I wouldn’t check two pages, so how can I expect others to do so? If the frequency of MMA to others was 10 to 1 say, within 20 posts you are off the front page, old news. One cage rage / UFC event, and you could forget about any other discussion.
Regards,

Niall

“You shouldn’t teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time, and only annoys the pig!”

cowzerp

Niall, your talking muck, get off your high horse.

on a thread about training etc.. there was never talk about mma fights.
there was talk about mma been more effective than x y and z and because the likes of you had no answer for that your glad to see that moved.

well guess what? that talk is still welcome here, the other forum is for fights, this is for training and mma is martial arts and we can talk about training if we want,.
there was a page for mma talk, nothing to do with training, questions etc..

Elite Strength

Hopefully cowzerp will stay over on MMA boards so i don't have to be reading his "it's all about me" thread replys.

Pride Fighter

Elite Strength wrote: »

Hopefully cowzerp will stay over on MMA boards so i don't have to be reading his "it's all about me" thread replys.

Can you not add something constructive instead of having a pop at one of the regular posters here?

cowzerp

Elite Strength wrote: »

Hopefully cowzerp will stay over on MMA boards so i don't have to be reading his "it's all about me" thread replys.

Well your posts are all about me-Thanks!

Elite Strength

Personally i think the SD Boards has regained it's greatness.

Dragan

Elite Strength wrote: »

Personally i think the Sd Boards has regained it's greatness.

Good. Now if you don't cop on a bit you won't be able to enjoy it.

Guys,

from a Mod perspective both forums are doing well. They both have traffic, i haven't had to ban anyone on MMA yet and i haven't had to ban anyone on SDMA since then.

The simple fact of the matter is that people showed over a long time period that they were unable to co-exist on SDMA and talk styles in a polite manner. People were banned, people got upset etc etc.

Now we have an MMA forum that deals soley in MMA news, an SDMA forum the deals in the training aspects of anything that falls under such a broad scope forum title.

So, nothing has really changed, it's largely the same people posting here as have always posted here.

If conversation is lacking then start more threads?:)

And Paul is spot on, this is still the place for Style Vs Style debate and talk of MMA training and techniques.

Elite Strength

My appolgies to the mods, i've always been a bit of a rocker....

Niall Keane

“Niall, your talking muck, get off your high horse.

on a thread about training etc.. there was never talk about mma fights.
there was talk about mma been more effective than x y and z and because the likes of you had no answer for that your glad to see that moved.

well guess what? that talk is still welcome here, the other forum is for fights, this is for training and mma is martial arts and we can talk about training if we want,.
there was a page for mma talk, nothing to do with training, questions etc..”


Cowzerp,

Why don’t you read my post rather than assume I have said what you want to talk about. I was not talking about threads being hijacked, but about the frequency of mma related threads, and how they swallowed the entire forum. If something is that popular it deserves its own forum, that’s my opinion. If there was a football forum, not separated, but drowned out by soccer so GAA lads had to trawl through pages to find something of interest, it would be logical to give soccer a forum, am I conversing with a vegetable or can you understand that logic?
“the likes of you” … and what do you know about me?

Regards,

Niall

Judomad

Martin - Yes i do too much time on my hands, recent unexpected and highly illegal unemployment does that to u but not only will i get paid for the 5 months until it goes to the labour court but i also get to train my ass off for my fight on December 12th against Timmy....(anyone want tickets by the way..ll)

Dave Jones - Do you have any complaints about me having that 2nd motive lol....it worked didnt it, this is like the busiest thread since the split lol...you are all welcome...no need to thank me

Niall - Paul simply stated this thread is a style vs style forum so i agree with him - get off your high horse..you might fall so be careful lol

Elite Strength

Don't like to see anyone out of work, hopefully you're getthing enough of a cut off those tickets that a pro competitor deserves,that 5euro off each ticket is just a racket, maybe during you're extra free time you should set up a minimum pay for play union, say C class 150euro min to compete or something. Someones making money out of these sports of ours and it ain't me.

Roper

Elite Strength wrote: »

Don't like to see anyone out of work, hopefully you're getthing enough of a cut off those tickets that a pro competitor deserves,that 5euro off each ticket is just a racket, maybe during you're extra free time you should set up a minimum pay for play union, say C class 150euro min to compete or something. Someones making money out of these sports of ours and it ain't me.

I can pretty much guarantee it ain't the promoters either :rolleyes:

Maybe since you're new here you should introduce yourself, your real name etc. instead of throwing around what you think people's private financial arrangements should or shouldn't be anonymously?

And I'm sure of Gary or anyone else has a difficulty with the amount of money they're getting then they could talk to the promoter or just not fight.

cowzerp

niall there was only 1 thread about mma discussion not loads as you'd make out, everyone knows that ,it was just the same as the mma forum, so your point is void, your just wrong. .