I bought a new tractor today.....

reilig

I have been threatening for years and finally today I broke out and went in search of a second hand 4wd. I was looking for something about 100hp - it will mainly be used for spreading slurry, adgitating and wrapping. Need the 4wd as we have a lot of hilly ground and it just didn't feel safe with 4 or 5 ton of slurry after the MF 168.

I knew exactly what i wanted, a New Holland less than 10 years old. I scoured the country all day - travelled nearly 200 miles looking at TS and TN 90's and 100's, TD's and TDD's. Lovely tractors, pity about the price. Would you believe that i could find no New Holland with less than 5000 hours for less than €25000. Who could justify paying this.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I had a good long chat with my local new Holland dealer. he explained how I could put a new tractor against my tax . I took a big step and a bank loan and bought what you see in the picture - A T5050. Its 97hp, has a good spec - Wide tyres, comfort cab, a lovely synchro shuttle just under the steering wheel. All for just over €41k. It will be delivered to me just after christmas with 09 plates.

Am I crazy? I have the work for it, and looking at all those second hand ones, it will have a great resale value in the next 10 years.

Anyone any opinions???

brianthebard

Can't believe you got rid of the 168 dude its a classic! My da had one of them. The Holland looks nice. (can't say much more than that). I don't think you are crazy at all if you can put it to good use.

europerson

Good new tractor, but the reason I'm really posting is that one of the first tractors I have memory of is my late grandfather's MF 168. My father later did it up, and it was in quite good order, but it didn't have much practical use for us, unfortunately. It was sent to a village in Africa, and we recently found out that it's still going strong there.

il gatto

reilig wrote: »

I have been threatening for years and finally today I broke out and went in search of a second hand 4wd. I was looking for something about 100hp - it will mainly be used for spreading slurry, adgitating and wrapping. Need the 4wd as we have a lot of hilly ground and it just didn't feel safe with 4 or 5 ton of slurry after the MF 168.

I knew exactly what i wanted, a New Holland less than 10 years old. I scoured the country all day - travelled nearly 200 miles looking at TS and TN 90's and 100's, TD's and TDD's. Lovely tractors, pity about the price. Would you believe that i could find no New Holland with less than 5000 hours for less than €25000. Who could justify paying this.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I had a good long chat with my local new Holland dealer. he explained how I could put a new tractor against my tax . I took a big step and a bank loan and bought what you see in the picture - A T5050. Its 97hp, has a good spec - Wide tyres, comfort cab, a lovely synchro shuttle just under the steering wheel. All for just over €41k. It will be delivered to me just after christmas with 09 plates.

Am I crazy? I have the work for it, and looking at all those second hand ones, it will have a great resale value in the next 10 years.

Anyone any opinions???

Lovely tractor. Good luck with it.

thetangler

I wish you luck on the new purchase.
Look at the comfort you will have and in 10 years time if you care for it it will be worth the same money as you paid

irish_bob

reilig wrote: »

I have been threatening for years and finally today I broke out and went in search of a second hand 4wd. I was looking for something about 100hp - it will mainly be used for spreading slurry, adgitating and wrapping. Need the 4wd as we have a lot of hilly ground and it just didn't feel safe with 4 or 5 ton of slurry after the MF 168.

I knew exactly what i wanted, a New Holland less than 10 years old. I scoured the country all day - travelled nearly 200 miles looking at TS and TN 90's and 100's, TD's and TDD's. Lovely tractors, pity about the price. Would you believe that i could find no New Holland with less than 5000 hours for less than €25000. Who could justify paying this.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I had a good long chat with my local new Holland dealer. he explained how I could put a new tractor against my tax . I took a big step and a bank loan and bought what you see in the picture - A T5050. Its 97hp, has a good spec - Wide tyres, comfort cab, a lovely synchro shuttle just under the steering wheel. All for just over €41k. It will be delivered to me just after christmas with 09 plates.

Am I crazy? I have the work for it, and looking at all those second hand ones, it will have a great resale value in the next 10 years.

Anyone any opinions???

i wish you luck with it , sounds like you got a good deal , new holland have a 0% finance offer right now , while i think new holland are a nice tractor with lovely finish , i wouldnt buy one , they used to be a ford and thats enough for me

im not a farmer but my brother is , he has a john deere , if was someone who needed a new tractor , the tractor i would buy in the morning for around the 40 k mark is a CLAAS

reilig

irish_bob wrote: »

i wish you luck with it , sounds like you got a good deal , new holland have a 0% finance offer right now , while i think new holland are a nice tractor with lovely finish , i wouldnt buy one , they used to be a ford and thats enough for me

im not a farmer but my brother is , he has a john deere , if was someone who needed a new tractor , the tractor i would buy in the morning for around the 40 k mark is a CLAAS

I test drove a Claas, and then the dealer told me that basically Renault just changed their brand name to Claas. I ran out of the place - I have heard so many bad stories about Renault. I put them in the same class as Belarus and Farmer tractors.

New Holland used to be ford. Then they were bought by fiat. They have a fiat engine made in Italy. In my experience, Fiat were one of the best tractors ever made. That would be one of my main reasons for buying it.

If I went and bought a Massey Ferguson out of loyalty to the MF 168, I'd be getting a bad deal. New Massies are made by AGCO and I don't think they're up to much.

I couldn't afford a John Deere - they're the merc of tractors, I don't meet the income limit to be allowed to own one of them

il gatto

reilig wrote: »

I test drove a Claas, and then the dealer told me that basically Renault just changed their brand name to Claas. I ran out of the place - I have heard so many bad stories about Renault. I put them in the same class as Belarus and Farmer tractors.

New Holland used to be ford. Then they were bought by fiat. They have a fiat engine made in Italy. In my experience, Fiat were one of the best tractors ever made. That would be one of my main reasons for buying it.

If I went and bought a Massey Ferguson out of loyalty to the MF 168, I'd be getting a bad deal. New Massies are made by AGCO and I don't think they're up to much.

I couldn't afford a John Deere - they're the merc of tractors, I don't meet the income limit to be allowed to own one of them

Funny. I've heard mostly good things about Renault tractors. Alot of people seem to equate them to the cars and when goes wrong it's "what do you expect from a Renault?". Anyone I know that worked them or worked on them reckons they were good reliable machines (with a few exceptions, but everyone produces a few stinkers. Massey, are you listening? ).

irish_bob

renault were a superb tractor although they did not sell that well , besides claas untill this year had a john deere engine , the new models im told though im not 100% sure have a perkins engine

as for the new holland having a fiat engine , if they do then that is a very good reason to buy one , you are right in saying that fiat were one of the best tractors ever made , they had an engine like no other
i always thought that the smaller new hollands had some fiat influence in them but i had heard that once you went above around 100 hp , they were ford all over

marlyman

relig where did you trade in your 168 and how much did it trade in for.

reilig

marlyman wrote: »

relig where did you trade in your 168 and how much did it trade in for.

I'm actually keeping the 168. It would be worth nothing in a trade against the NH. I have a 165 too which I hope to sell privately for around €5000. It has new tyres, I'm getting the steering reconditioned on it at the moment. (it has a wobble from a faulty joint) It has multi - power and a puh. Its a square axel with a long pto. It'll be on the Buy and Sell in about 4 weeks time.

I recon the 168 to be worth €6k to €7k. Put new tyres on it last year. Lift fully reconditioned this year. Engine totally rebuilt in 2004. Square axel, 4 speed. Could never get rid of it, have spent €7 or €8k on her to get her to what she is. Put power steering in it too. She's like one of the family - made in 1966 - 42 years old, and runs like she did on her first day!!!!

And its not a vintage, its a work horse and will be for years to come. They just don't make them like they used to.

Colmm23

reilig wrote: »

I couldn't afford a John Deere - they're the merc of tractors, I don't meet the income limit to be allowed to own one of them

Did you price the JD, from what I've see out there the JD is no longer the exclusive machine it used to be. They are as cheap as anyone now and are not as realiable either, hear the new tier 3 engine is plenty troublesome. Did you try Case JXU95 by any chance, similar tractor to T5050.

marlyman

How much do you want for the 165 the way it is.

irish_bob

reilig wrote: »

I'm actually keeping the 168. It would be worth nothing in a trade against the NH. I have a 165 too which I hope to sell privately for around €5000. It has new tyres, I'm getting the steering reconditioned on it at the moment. (it has a wobble from a faulty joint) It has multi - power and a puh. Its a square axel with a long pto. It'll be on the Buy and Sell in about 4 weeks time.

I recon the 168 to be worth €6k to €7k. Put new tyres on it last year. Lift fully reconditioned this year. Engine totally rebuilt in 2004. Square axel, 4 speed. Could never get rid of it, have spent €7 or €8k on her to get her to what she is. Put power steering in it too. She's like one of the family - made in 1966 - 42 years old, and runs like she did on her first day!!!!

And its not a vintage, its a work horse and will be for years to come. They just don't make them like they used to.

your certainly looking enough for the 168

reilig

marlyman wrote: »

How much do you want for the 165 the way it is.

The 165 went last week to get the steering done, a service and a few bits of tidying up on the cab (a door handle broken and another few small things). The way it was, it was probably worth €3500. With the steering done and the cab tidied up, it should be worth €4k to €4.5k. That's the general run of them on the buy and sell. I'm not going to sell until the end of december and I might even wait until I get the new tractor in Jan. The 165 is handy for putting in bales - easy started on a cold morning and good in tight corners.

reilig

irish_bob wrote: »

your certainly looking enough for the 168

As I said above, I'm not looking for anything for the 168 as she's not for sale. But the price above is the general run for 4 speed 168's on the buy and sell. To be honest, I wouldn't sell it if I was offered €10k for it. It has a sentimental value

reilig

Colmm23 wrote: »

Did you price the JD, from what I've see out there the JD is no longer the exclusive machine it used to be. They are as cheap as anyone now and are not as realiable either, hear the new tier 3 engine is plenty troublesome. Did you try Case JXU95 by any chance, similar tractor to T5050.

The equivalent JD is €46k - not worth the extra money in my personal opinion.
Didn't look at the Case - there are no local dealers I'm afraid.

marlyman

pity, i needed one for training and restoration. be careful though - none of the tractors in the buy and sell are making that pie in the sky price any more. (no offence intended). seen a swuare axle 165 long pto, mk3 pump, flexi cab and p/s starting on the button for sale in tipp for 2000.

reilig

marlyman wrote: »

pity, i needed one for training and restoration. be careful though - none of the tractors in the buy and sell are making that pie in the sky price any more. (no offence intended). seen a swuare axle 165 long pto, mk3 pump, flexi cab and p/s starting on the button for sale in tipp for 2000.

They guy that's fixing the steering will give me €3500 for it and he intends selling it on again, so if I don't get more than that for it, I let him have it.

irish_bob

reilig wrote: »

The equivalent JD is €46k - not worth the extra money in my personal opinion.
Didn't look at the Case - there are no local dealers I'm afraid.

as i said earlier , i think newholland are a nicely finished machine and if this one has a fiat engine then even better but newholland wont hold its value like a john deere and it would not be regarded as good a tractor either

6 k isnt a huge difference , john deere must have come back a bit

Turbury

Good luck with the NH - after a few months you will wonder why you didnt buy one sooner - believe me I know! After tax relief on the depreciation it will cost you almost nothing - especially if you get the vat back.

NH was a good choice - have a good name and will hold its value, would have gone Massey myself, ok - they are over priced but will definately not loose money in the long run.

marlyman

john deere have gone hugely down in value now. was anyone at the last cheffins sale? only one in eight john deeres sold. theyre also too expensive to fix and the brakes aren't lasting jig time in them. even simple things like the heater resister fails after a redicusly short time. the older ones were better.

reilig

marlyman wrote: »

john deere have gone hugely down in value now. was anyone at the last cheffins sale? only one in eight john deeres sold. theyre also too expensive to fix and the brakes aren't lasting jig time in them. even simple things like the heater resister fails after a redicusly short time. the older ones were better.

yes, I agree, the newer JD models seem to be giving a lot of trouble. Had a friend with a 130hp 07 JD which he used for mowing and baleing mainly - it gave him no end of bother and the John Deere back up was less than acceptable. It had 1250 hours on the clock when he sold it and he had to take €14k less than he paid for it. It was just a little over 12 months old. €14k in 12 months was a bit hit, but to tell you the truth he was glad to get rid of it. He has a 130hp Massey Ferguson ordered for 2009. JD seems to be only a status symbol. Older models were reliable, but forget about buying a new one.

marlyman

and one point for you to note, make sure your tractor comes with a dromone hitch. the oe one falls apart quickly and i think i remember you do a lot of slurry.

i had a euro for every man who i saw crying over the value of his john deere id be richer than them.

Trx

should Have gone MF 5400 series in my opinion.. Comfort quality and reliability.. MF backup service is second to none..

Would dream of buying anything else

Colmm23

Trx,

That machine has the new Dyna 4 transmission hasn't it. How do you find it, heard its not very user friendly.
Whats your opinion?

Turbury

Colmm23 wrote: »

Trx,

That machine has the new Dyna 4 transmission hasn't it. How do you find it, heard its not very user friendly.
Whats your opinion?

Dyna 4 is a disaster - i have std box with splitter on a 5455, neighbour has dyna 4 on same tractor , i've driven both and find the dyna very awkward , to much changing, also speed matching on the dyna is not all its cracked up to be , i believe the dyna 6 is a total disaster.

irish_bob

while the new jd may be falling short a bit compared to previous models , thier stil lway ahead of a massey which hasnt had a good reputation in a decade

bt , 14 k is not a huge amount to loose on a tractor in one year , the 1st year is when you take the big hit

Turbury

Trx wrote: »

should Have gone MF 5400 series in my opinion.. Comfort quality and reliability.. MF backup service is second to none..

Would dream of buying anything else

If i remember correctly the new model 5455 with front loader was priced at 63K plus VAT at the ploughing - open to correction on this.

reilig

irish_bob wrote: »

bt , 14 k is not a huge amount to loose on a tractor in one year , the 1st year is when you take the big hit

I thought it was a serious hit. You never see any other 1 year old tractor in the dealers with 14k off the new price. Maybe 8k at most if it had 2000 hours on it. I have a neighbour who bought a New Holland ts90 in 2002. He's trading it in Jan for a TD5050. He has to give €8500 with his 2002 tractor. Its a basic spec. and has a list price of €8500. He has 2250 hours on his own machine. Dealer told him his 02 NH TS90 has a market value of €30k. Funny thing is he paid €30k for it in 2002. It lost nothing. And you try to tell me that the JD has better resale than any other???

You would be a long time trying to convince me!!!

Go on to www.farmandplant.ie and check out the New Hollands from 2000 onwards. See the prices for anything with less than 5000 hours. Compare them to the John Deere's from 2000 onwards and take into account the price difference between the JD and the NH in 2000 (approx €10k). You will see that they have relatively the same prices. Meaning that the JD lost 10k more than the NH. There are some small exceptions to this, but this is mainly the course.

marlyman

and remember massey now has the best new tractor on the makrket at the mo. and thats generally accepted throughout the trade at the moment

il gatto

Friend of mine bought a 100hp JD new last year. Wasn't too bad price wise as he could claim the VAT back. He said it's a great tractor to drive and no trouble so far. Hard on juice, but JD's are known for that. It's their third one and they've all drank a bit. He wasn't impressed with the standard equipment though. He didn't realise that things like light stalks were extras as the last JD he bought was second hand and had all the bits and bobs. As much as he loves them, he did say that if he wasn't getting the VAT back, he would've shopped around as it was pricey at full whack. Nice machine though.

54321

Would you believe I've done the exact same thing. I've just bought a New Holland T5050 too.

Reason is the very same. I was looking for a 6-8year old 110 hp tractor but when all my looking was done it made more sense to get a slightly smaller but brand new tractor. I never intended to do it but financially it makes sense. I'll mind the tractor well for 15 years. If I bought the other tractors I was thinking of they would have to be replaced and or parts might be needed, but with a new smaller tractor I would have smaller repair bills and i can mind it well and keep it a long time.

You might not think it but newer smaller tractors make sense!

jmayo

reilig wrote: »

I have been threatening for years and finally today I broke out and went in search of a second hand 4wd. I was looking for something about 100hp - it will mainly be used for spreading slurry, adgitating and wrapping. Need the 4wd as we have a lot of hilly ground and it just didn't feel safe with 4 or 5 ton of slurry after the MF 168.

I knew exactly what i wanted, a New Holland less than 10 years old. I scoured the country all day - travelled nearly 200 miles looking at TS and TN 90's and 100's, TD's and TDD's. Lovely tractors, pity about the price. Would you believe that i could find no New Holland with less than 5000 hours for less than €25000. Who could justify paying this.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I had a good long chat with my local new Holland dealer. he explained how I could put a new tractor against my tax . I took a big step and a bank loan and bought what you see in the picture - A T5050. Its 97hp, has a good spec - Wide tyres, comfort cab, a lovely synchro shuttle just under the steering wheel. All for just over €41k. It will be delivered to me just after christmas with 09 plates.

Am I crazy? I have the work for it, and looking at all those second hand ones, it will have a great resale value in the next 10 years.

Anyone any opinions???

Best of luck with new wheels, but would you have considered hanging on for a while.
Looking at things, I would bet there are a fair few ex construciton machines appearing now where companies are downsizing or going out of business.
Not sure about engine sizes probably around 140-150hp and would have higher hours I guess ?
Glad to hear you are hangin onto the massey.

reilig wrote: »

I test drove a Claas, and then the dealer told me that basically Renault just changed their brand name to Claas. I ran out of the place - I have heard so many bad stories about Renault. I put them in the same class as Belarus and Farmer tractors.

New Holland used to be ford. Then they were bought by fiat. They have a fiat engine made in Italy. In my experience, Fiat were one of the best tractors ever made. That would be one of my main reasons for buying it.

If I went and bought a Massey Ferguson out of loyalty to the MF 168, I'd be getting a bad deal. New Massies are made by AGCO and I don't think they're up to much.

I couldn't afford a John Deere - they're the merc of tractors, I don't meet the income limit to be allowed to own one of them

Claas took over Renault tractors, not the other way around AFAIK.
That should mean that the Germans might instill better build quality but that might take time. I did hear someone say, nothing falls apart like a Claas.
You know they are built in Le Mans so maybe they are at least fast


Most of the Masseys are now built in Beuavais France, which has been a Massey plant for donkeys of years and just because they are AGCO group is nothing to be sneezed at, since other makes in the group are Valtra and Fendt (that is the Merc of tractors - so is blooming price).

Yeah New Holland is now part of CNH (Case New Holland) so it is part of biggest tractor manufacturer in world.
Sad that the brands are disappearing and ones that are left are just rebadged versions of each other.

Sam Kade

Does anyone on here know what a 1985 7610 4x4 column change is worth? also is there good demand for a 1995 NH 7840?

irish_bob

Sam Kade wrote: »

Does anyone on here know what a 1985 7610 4x4 column change is worth? also is there good demand for a 1995 NH 7840?

a ford 7610 from around 1985 with a collumn change gearbox was the biggest pile of crap ever made , id take anything i could get for it

the 7840 would be worth around 10 - 12 k i would imagine

Turbury

Sam Kade wrote: »

Does anyone on here know what a 1985 7610 4x4 column change is worth? also is there good demand for a 1995 NH 7840?

Good demand for Blue roof 7840's, from farmers that want a well built reliable no frills no crap tractor. (and I'm not a ford or NH fan)

Sam Kade

irish_bob wrote: »

a ford 7610 from around 1985 with a collumn change gearbox was the biggest pile of crap ever made , id take anything i could get for it

the 7840 would be worth around 10 - 12 k i would imagine

Explain what exactly is wrong with a column change?

There is no way you will get a 7840 in Ireland for 10-12k unless it is wrecked.

irish_bob

Sam Kade wrote: »

Explain what exactly is wrong with a column change?

There is no way you will get a 7840 in Ireland for 10-12k unless it is wrecked.

the ford 7610 from that era with the collumn change gearbox have a very poor reputation , im not going to go into details except to say some tractors are renowned for giving trouble and this tractor is certainly one of them , i grew up on a farm and we had a 1985 7610 with collumn change

as for the 7840 , im not a fan of ford but ive never heard to many bad things about that particular tractor , my brother got 11500 for a 1989 3050 john deere three years ago so i presumed a ford which is worth a good deal less than a JD from the mid nineties would be worth in or around 12 , if your so sure what its worth , why ask in here , besides , everything is relativly cheap to buy right now , tough times and all

Bitten & Hisses

Reilig, given that most dealers are reluctant to quote prices for anything until you actually visit to buy the thing, would you be willing to post the straight deal prices you were quoted for the tractors you looked at? If you don't want to post them, perhaps you might PM them to me?

Also, can anyone explain what the main differences between a white and blue top 7840 are?

reilig

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Reilig, given that most dealers are reluctant to quote prices for anything until you actually visit to buy the thing, would you be willing to post the straight deal prices you were quoted for the tractors you looked at? If you don't want to post them, perhaps you might PM them to me?

Also, can anyone explain what the main differences between a white and blue top 7840 are?

NH T5050 €41500 (97hp)
NH TN5050 €38800 (96hp)
Landini Powerfarm 105 €42000 (97hp)
Valtra A92 €42000 (98hp)
JD 6330 €46487 (99hp)
Claas Celtis 456 €42250 (99hp)

Couldn't get my local MF dealer to quote me a price unless I was actually going to sit down and commit to buying it. They were the most awkward people to deal with and I wondered what they would be like to deal with if you had to go back to them with a problem after you buying a tractor from them. So I just walked away.

All were quotes on a straight deal. Chose the T5050 because of its build quality and the fact that it offered a power shuttle. It has a roomy cab - the biggest of all of the above tractors. And as I outlined above, the fact that it has the lowest depreciation of any of the above.

Sam Kade

irish_bob wrote: »

the ford 7610 from that era with the collumn change gearbox have a very poor reputation , im not going to go into details except to say some tractors are renowned for giving trouble and this tractor is certainly one of them , i grew up on a farm and we had a 1985 7610 with collumn change

as for the 7840 , im not a fan of ford but ive never heard to many bad things about that particular tractor , my brother got 11500 for a 1989 3050 john deere three years ago so i presumed a ford which is worth a good deal less than a JD from the mid nineties would be worth in or around 12 , if your so sure what its worth , why ask in here , besides , everything is relativly cheap to buy right now , tough times and all

Well if you read what wrote I didn't ask what a NH 7840 was worth I asked was there good demand for them. I have a 7610 column change and it never gave an ounce of trouble.

Sam Kade

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Reilig, given that most dealers are reluctant to quote prices for anything until you actually visit to buy the thing, would you be willing to post the straight deal prices you were quoted for the tractors you looked at? If you don't want to post them, perhaps you might PM them to me?

Also, can anyone explain what the main differences between a white and blue top 7840 are?

The NH 7840 first came out in 1992 and had a white cab roof they were changed to blue roof in 1995. The ones with the white cab had problems with the dual power and a lot of them were called back to have a new dual power fitted. However there are still NHs out there that didn't have the upgrade and thats the reason nobody wants to buy a NH with a white roof.

irish_bob

reilig wrote: »

NH T5050 €41500 (97hp)
NH TN5050 €38800 (96hp)
Landini Powerfarm 105 €42000 (97hp)
Valtra A92 €42000 (98hp)
JD 6330 €46487 (99hp)
Claas Celtis 456 €42250 (99hp)

Couldn't get my local MF dealer to quote me a price unless I was actually going to sit down and commit to buying it. They were the most awkward people to deal with and I wondered what they would be like to deal with if you had to go back to them with a problem after you buying a tractor from them. So I just walked away.

All were quotes on a straight deal. Chose the T5050 because of its build quality and the fact that it offered a power shuttle. It has a roomy cab - the biggest of all of the above tractors. And as I outlined above, the fact that it has the lowest depreciation of any of the above.

of the tractors you list above , personally i would have gone for the valtra based on price , im surprised the valtra of that size is around the same money as the NH , valtra are in most cases a more expensive tractor than a JD , also , i believe a valtra would have lower depreciation than a NH

Bitten & Hisses

Personally, I'd have had a tough time deciding between the Valtra, New Holland and the Celtis. I'd probably go for the Celtis, but I'm a bit biased, as we already have a Renault Ares and had a Renault MX before that, which would be the 2 generations previous evuivalent of the Celtis.

reilig

irish_bob wrote: »

of the tractors you list above , personally i would have gone for the valtra based on price , im surprised the valtra of that size is around the same money as the NH , valtra are in most cases a more expensive tractor than a JD , also , i believe a valtra would have lower depreciation than a NH

I had a lot of reasons for not buying the Valtra. I have a relation with one of these and i have had it on several occasions - mainly for putting in bales with the loader or spreading slurry (the 168 needed dry ground). First of all I found the diesel tank to be totally inefficient for the size of the tractor. It holds only 8 gallons and needs to be filled at least twice for every 8 hours work. Secondly, it doesn't have an oil clutch or a syncro shuttle and the one that I drove needed to have its clutch adjusted every service because of the loader work causing a lot of wear on it. Thirdly, the cab is the size of a bean tin. Its uncomfortable to work in it for a full day and you clip your elbows off the corners a lot. Fourthly, it has a crap pick up hitch which wears excessively and will be dangers if it wears much more. Fifthly, every time its serviced by the Valtra dealers, it airlocks for a few hours afterwards until all the air is cleared from the system - resulting in a serious loss of power. Valtra say that this is normal. Sixthly, it has the slowest hydraulics ever - almost as slow as the old 168. Seventhly, it rattles, the cab is loud, and it has a serious bounce on the road - even with the loader off it - meaning that you can never get it up to the 40k if you are travelling a long distance. The final thing is the resale - Vlatra a92 prices are less than the sime sized engine A95 (€42000), but you can buy a 2 year old A96 which cost €43000, with less than 3000 hours on it for just over €30000 from the dealer that I priced. It has one of the worst resale values of all the tractors that I priced.
I believe that some of the bigger Valtra's (Contractor Models) are like you describe, but they cost serious money. The A92 is a farmer's tractor, but there are a lot of better farmer's tractors out there for similar or less money.

Anyway, everyone to their own, people choose tractor brands because they have them for years and trust them. For us, we have never really had a good tractor on the farm - always bought old second hand tractors. Now that we're buying a new one, we have done a lot of research on it and taken the best deal that we can get taking into account price, reliability, service intervals and resale prices. We bought the tractor to do specific types of jobs and it shouldn't have a problem. Other people would buy different because they would have different jobs for it to do and I respect that.

On a further note, I confirmed my order for the tractor last week. They will have it in 3 weeks. I have decided to take the NH 0% finance for it. It will cost me just over €5k for the credit over 5 years. I priced 2 banks and the best I got was €9k for the credit. So NH have won there also

Bitten & Hisses

reilig wrote: »

NH T5050 €41500 (97hp)
NH TN5050 €38800 (96hp)
Landini Powerfarm 105 €42000 (97hp)
Valtra A92 €42000 (98hp)
JD 6330 €46487 (99hp)
Claas Celtis 456 €42250 (99hp)

Just a comment, not intended to start a row or anything, but I reckon putting the 6330 John Deere into that list is an unfair comparison. I would consider the 6330 to be a heavier duty tractor than (for example) a Celtis and would place it more as a competitor of a 4-cylinder Ares. A JD 5820 would probably be a fairer comparison and is probably quite a bit cheaper.

BTW, bloody horror story re the small Valtra. An 8-gallon tank is just silly.

irish_bob

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Just a comment, not intended to start a row or anything, but I reckon putting the 6330 John Deere into that list is an unfair comparison. I would consider the 6330 to be a heavier duty tractor than (for example) a Celtis and would place it more as a competitor of a 4-cylinder Ares. A JD 5820 would probably be a fairer comparison and is probably quite a bit cheaper.

BTW, bloody horror story re the small Valtra. An 8-gallon tank is just silly.

+1

the jd 6330 is a step up from those other tractors in terms of size and power , the 6330 is the replacement for the 6320 , my brother has a 2003 6320 , its at least 105hp and it may be 110hp , its a bigger tractor than the ones in that list for sure

on a slightly different note , if i was buying a tractor around that money i think i would give the claas a go , renault were a great tractor and the claas had a john deere engine though i think the new ones have a perkins now


relig , good luck with your NH, always though they were a nicely finished tractor , as pretty as any on the market , interesting points about the valtra , i know that they are very bouncy on the road and they are not exactly handsome , on the plus side they are an animal to pull , superb engine , off course the new ones have the same engine as a massey now

Bitten & Hisses

irish_bob wrote: »

on a slightly different note , if i was buying a tractor around that money i think i would give the claas a go , renault were a great tractor and the claas had a john deere engine though i think the new ones have a perkins now

The Celtis had a DPS engine alright and it's replacement, the Axos, has a Perkins engine. It always amuses me that people who scoffed at Renaults would have no problem operating one simply because they were painted green and had a different nose cone.

marlyman

Differance between 7840
11/91 - 11/95 -> 12/95 on
white roof -> Blue roof
Carrero axle -> Fiat axle
Light dual power ->Heavy dual power
Badged Fored -> Badged New Holland

marlyman

What ever you dont dont buy a JD. I cant advise against it enough. Get a Zetor, get a Belarus, get anything else.

And SAM - your 7610 is growing in value at the present. Everyone is shying away from fancy new tractors and going back to smaller simple ones. By that token a 7840 is still as expensive as every and getting dearer by the month. A very good tractor.