Are you proud to be white?????

stevoman

Here's an email i got from a friend in America. As far as im aware the whole court speech is bull**** and never happened, but would you agree with some of the points made her or not????????



Makes one stop and think after reading this :

Michael Richards is better known as Kramer from TV's Seinfeld series.

This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.

He makes some very interesting points. He said :

I'm proud To Be White. There, someone finally said it.

How many are actually paying attention to this ?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.

And then there are just Americans.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.

But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head, Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner , Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live ?

· You have the United Negro College Fund.
· You have Martin Luther King Day
· You have Black History Month.
· You have Cesar Chavez Day.
· You have Yom Hashoah.
· You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
· You have the NAACP.
· You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists. If we had White History Month , we'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

I wonder who pays for that ?

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or
beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud. But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists ?

luckat

Diddums

mike65

White? I'm a shade of blue this morning

/brrrrrrrr

Mike

daveywavey08

We are the supreme race, we rule the world. The rest only have their freedom because we allow them to have it.
Just kidding!

not yet

Tut Tut, shame on you for even thinking such things...

Xavi6

Did I take a wrong turn and end up in Stormfront?

Ostrom

No

Sherifu

I'm more of a peach or lemon zest really.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I agree.

I also want a Masculinist section in bookshops and an annual straight pride parade.

Seriously? **** it. I'm an individual. I'm proud of WHO I am. Not WHAT I am.

MIN2511

My friend and i were talking about this the other day....

Seriously why can't there be a day " I am proud to be white!"


As far as i am concerned, we are all individuals... The colour of your skin doesn't matter....

I AM PROUD TO BE ME!

Hogzy

HA HA White entertainment tv. thats a ctually so true if that existed it would be taken off the air so fast lol.

Howver its songs like this that make me ashamed to be white!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3dHxAYYXhc

and2

Was watching a programme on lfc tv last night about the abuse black players got 10 -20 years ago. John Barnes got bananas thrown at him, WTF, I am definitely not proud to be that white person who can justify that sort of abuse. I think in this day and age these sort of colour arguements should not even exist. But I suppose the origianl poster got his info from the U.S. Its still a third world country in my opinion. The fact that there are ghettos in one of the so called richest countrys in the world!!
I dont hate America by the way.. best country I have visited to date

Dudess

He kinda ruined his credibility (imo) by saying "and then there are Americans"... oh so "American" automatically means white - as in, you're only a "true" American if you're white. Otherwise you have to have a prefix in front of "American".

I disagree when whites try to put their experiences of racism on a par with those of non white people. Sure, white people do face racism in certain areas; there are extremist groups - some very scary black ones in America - who literally want the white race exterminated.
End of the day though, white people in America have the luxury of being white - it guarantees them an easier ride - and they cannot claim to walk in the shoes of a non white person. They just can't.

As for proud of my race? Meh, I'm born a certain way - it's just the way it is. Not like I achieved it. And I think the same should apply to those of all colours.

I wouldn't be ashamed to be white because of what fellow whites have done either though.

Quazzie

Aren't Americans actually Apache Indians and therefore not white?

Sowra

stevoman wrote: »

Here's an email i got from a friend in America. As far as im aware the whole court speech is bull**** and never happened, but would you agree with some of the points made her or not????????




If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists. If we had White History Month , we'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives we'd be racists.

This reminds me of when I was little and I used to ask my mum "why isnt there a childrens day?" and she would say "everyday is childrens day"

that was the 80s, since then I think some sort of international childrens day started up, but no matter, do you get my point?

tribulus

Actually I was watching "The Good Shepherd" last night and there was a scene where Jo Peschi (I think) and Matt Damon were sitting outside.

Peschi says the Italians have the church and their family, the Irish have their homeland...what do you have?

Damon replies "The Unites States of America and the rest of you are just visiting".

Now I know that was set in the 60's but I wonder how many Caucasian Americans, or maybe upper class Americans still feel that way?

Dudess

Many I'm sure. Extraordinarily ignorant of white Americans of European descent to view the United States as always "theirs". Makes me uncomfortable - kinda reminds me of Boers in South Africa viewing that country as "theirs".

Anti

Classic case of social double standards. And what cramer says does make alot of sense.

I'm black white and im proud.

Zillah

Anyone who is proud of the colour of their skin is a retard.

and2

Dudess wrote: »

kinda reminds me of Boers in South Africa viewing that country as "theirs".

Was in OZ for a while, Couldnt get over how racist some of them were. they hate all the tourists invading their country.. Not one of them is more than 2-3 generations in the place yet claim to be Austrailian.. Just reminding them they are more than likely decendants of prisioners sent to the penal colony puts them in thier place

Wagon

Couldn't give a **** what colour I am once I'm not a woman.

Dudess

Zillah wrote: »

Anyone who is proud of the colour of their skin is a retard.

Gotta agree (if the wording is a tad harsh).

Dragan

White Pride went the route of Feminism.

That is to say a small but highly vocal majority casting aspersions on the efforts of the majority.

Remember, it's not cool to be proud, and white.

I can say i am proud to be Irish, or a culchie, or whatever the **** ( okay, maybe not culchie........actually **** that, suck my balls i'm proud of it ) but not white.

Oh no.

It's like Straight Pride, or Fianna Fail Pride, basically being reactive when you are, for the most part, in the easy having majority.

Slow Motion

I'm just glad I'm not a culchie!

Edit: Damn thunder stealing Dragan!

Geology

Or one of them Castrati

The_Conductor

I'm proud to be me. I'm a unique person, most probably annoying to a lot of people, but have a reasonable sense of humour and like a bit of fun. When I walk down the street, I see other unique people- each with their own story of how they got to be the people they are. I don't focus on race or nationality- I'm far more likely to focus on a smile, an act of kindness, a little pleasantry or what appears to be good humoured demeanor. I wonder about the sadness in some people's faces, or take joy in the happiness on other people's faces. Life is far too short to get hung up on aesthetics- people should be judged by their actions, not who they are.

Dinter

Dudess wrote: »

Many I'm sure. Extraordinarily ignorant of white Americans of European descent to view the United States as always "theirs". Makes me uncomfortable - kinda reminds me of Boers in South Africa viewing that country as "theirs".

Nah can't agree with that. The Boers were a tiny minority ruling a massive majority. In the USA the majority of the population is of white european descent and could view the country as "theirs" without trying to negate other peoples claims on living there.

Turd Ferguson

Its all double standard. You try having a Straight Rights Parade and see what happens...

Dudess

Dinter wrote: »

Nah can't agree with that. The Boers were a tiny minority ruling a massive majority. In the USA the majority of the population is of white european descent and could view the country as "theirs" without trying to negate other peoples claims on living there.

Well fair enough, but in the context of the quote from that movie: Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans are just visitors? But other European-Americans who are there the same length of time aren't? Because they're WASPs probably. Load of cack.

Slow Motion

Why can't we just all get along:( Won't somebody please think of the children!

Dinter

Em actually that's not in any way true nationally although in some states there would be a tiny majority.

Info from US Census 2006 so unless something really drastic has changed in the last two years.

White: 221, 331, 507
Black: 37, 051, 483
Asian: 13, 100, 095
Some other race alone (i.e. Hispanic etc): 19, 007, 12

Obviously this doesn't take into account people of mixed race but then again neither do the people filling out the census returns as they will check the box they think applies to them.

cornbb

White Pride!

Anyways, I think the opening email there is a bit rascist tbh. It has undertones of the paranoia which is used by neo-Nazis, skinheads etc as a weak excuse to justify their desire to suppress other races. The WASPs still rule the US, they have nothing to fear, and minorities in the US are justified in being proud of their identity after centuries of being shat on by those of white European descent.

And I also think being offended by terms like whitey, cracker etc is justified. Black dudes are just as capable of being rascist as white. Just look at some of the old Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor comedy.

Anyone who rates their race (along with their God, their president or their country) as more important than things like their morality, philosophy or ideology has serious issues imo.

ScumLord

White pride. We shall be free brothers! Oh wait we already are, never mind, carry on.


I'd be a little bit prouder of being white if it wasn't for the fact having white skin sucks donkey balls when the sun comes out.

pickarooney

cornbb wrote: »

Just look at some of the old Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor comedy.

Or, you know, any of the trillion-odd incidents of black racism dating back to the dawn of time. Such as the slave trade.

cornbb

pickarooney wrote: »

Or, you know, any of the trillion-odd incidents of black racism dating back to the dawn of time. Such as the slave trade.

I know, I think you missed my point. I thought the whole slave thing was self evident and a bit too obvious to mention. I was just pointing out that rascism can work both ways.

Dinter

cornbb wrote: »

I was just pointing out that rascism can work both ways.

Such as the Moorish slave trade in Europe.

pickarooney

Only one 'S' in racism, peeps.

I never did figure out why we forgave the Norwegians for all they did to us, but hold a grudge against the British who, in fairness, did bring a few useful things with them.

Slow Motion

Indeed, black people weren't the only ones to be enslaved in the past!

The_Conductor

Dinter wrote: »

Em actually that's not in any way true nationally although in some states there would be a tiny majority.

Info from US Census 2006 so unless something really drastic has changed in the last two years.

White: 221, 331, 507
Black: 37, 051, 483
Asian: 13, 100, 095
Some other race alone (i.e. Hispanic etc): 19, 007, 12

Obviously this doesn't take into account people of mixed race but then again neither do the people filling out the census returns as they will check the box they think applies to them.

My previous post was incorrect. However:

US 2000 Census information:

28m speaking solely Spanish, and an additional 19m speaking a language other than English as their primary language. Source: http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/phc-t20/index.html

Approximately 9% of the population that complete the census as "White American / Caucasian" are in fact Hispanic (22.3 million) source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

From the same source: Non-Hispanic whites made up 85% of the US population in 1960. By 2042 they will no longer be in a majority- with a projected population of 435m in 2050 of which 46% non-Hispanic whites, 30% Hispanic, 15% African American, 9% Asian American.

Trends are thereafter to continue with a fertility rate among Hispanics of 3, among African Americans of 2.2, among Non-Hispanic Whites of 2.0 (replacement level), and others (Asian/Pacific Islanders) of 1.8).

Also of interest- over 2 million with Chinese as their primary language, and just under a million with Russian....... Thankfully the statistics show the under 5s as conquering the English language- which should help better integration in the future.

Slow Motion

pickarooney wrote: »

Only one 'S' in racism, peeps.

I never did figure out why we forgave the Norwegians for all they did to us, but hold a grudge against the British who, in fairness, did bring a few useful things with them.

Yes! Like the Irish to Australia!

m@cc@

stevoman wrote: »

Are you proud to be white?????

I don't understand the question. What is it to be white?

asdasd

Indeed, black people weren't the only ones to be enslaved in the past!

Hard to believe. I must reexamine what I learned in Ethnic Studies class.

The problem with the term "white" is that it brings up memories of deliverance and good ole boys etc. If the question is - Are you proud to be of European descent? it becomes more acceptable. Are you proud to be of Italian. Scottish descent etc. Even more so ( although Anglo Saxons are bit more demure).

As for the WASPs and America - seems that people are speaking English, which is the language of WASPs ( not "whites"). So maybe the rest are visiting. In any case the Matt Damon character was being baited in that scene.

emeraldstar

stevoman wrote: »

You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.

To add another, my friend and I were called "Snow Bunnies", then promptly told: "You needa get yo' asses to the BEACH, man!"

Was quite funny really.

I agree with Dudess. And also with the 'every day is children's day' comment (I used to get that from my mam as well!) - every day is 'white' day basically! White people in America (and here) have absolutely NO idea what it's like to be an ethnic minority and to be judged for your appearance/skin colour all the time. For goodness sake, I only look a bit foreign (I'm white by anyone's standards - Irish, English and Italian) and I still get racist comments like 'paki bitch' shouted at me in the street and followed around by security guards in shops. I can't even imagine being black. So what if there's BET, Hispanic Pride Day? Do you really think it makes up for being treated like a second class citizen? Having lived in America, it riles me up to see white Americans acting like the country is 'theirs', and complaining about all the Latinos. I have Canadian friends who do it as well, complain about all the Chinese and say it's a shame that 'their' country is being taken over - with absolutely NO sense of irony whatsoever.

Quazzie

[quote=[Deleted User];57724291]I agree with Dudess. And also with the 'every day is children's day' comment (I used to get that from my mam as well!) - every day is 'white' day basically! White people in America (and here) have absolutely NO idea what it's like to be an ethnic minority and to be judged for your appearance/skin colour all the time. For goodness sake, I only look a bit foreign (I'm white by anyone's standards - Irish, English and Italian) and I still get racist comments like 'paki bitch' shouted at me in the street and followed around by security guards in shops. I can't even imagine being black. So what if there's BET, Hispanic Pride Day? Do you really think it makes up for being treated like a second class citizen? Having lived in America, it riles me up to see white Americans acting like the country is 'theirs', and complaining about all the Latinos. I have Canadian friends who do it as well, complain about all the Chinese and say it's a shame that 'their' country is being taken over - with absolutely NO sense of irony whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
yea but what about the polish

asdasd

and followed around by security guards in shops.

You should try being european and christian in Saudi Arabia, though. Thats a bastard.

c - 13

asdasd wrote: »

You should try being european and christian in Saudi Arabia, though. Thats a bastard.

Ah it isnt really. They tend to stare at you a lot is all I find. Basically you're a novelty. Just stare back at them.

m@cc@

tribulus wrote: »

Actually I was watching "The Good Shepherd" last night and there was a scene where Jo Peschi (I think) and Matt Damon were sitting outside.

Peschi says the Italians have the church and their family, the Irish have their homeland...what do you have?

Damon replies "The Unites States of America and the rest of you are just visiting".

Now I know that was set in the 60's but I wonder how many Caucasian Americans, or maybe upper class Americans still feel that way?

Why stop at Americans? I know plenty of Irish who feel that way about here.

asdasd

Why stop at Americans? I know plenty of Irish who feel that way about here.

And I know native Americans who feel that way about America. Racists.

Slow Motion

asdasd wrote: »

Hard to believe. I must reexamine what I learned in Ethnic Studies class.

You're joking right?

jim o doom

Just as with nationality/national identity, I think nobody has ANY reason to be proud of their colour/country. Why be proud of sheer happenstance/luck?I was lucky enough to be born white in Ireland to a good family. Am I proud of that luck? no. Do I understand Gay pride? no.. why be proud of having a sexual orientation - I'm not proud of being straight, I JUST AM.

It's like being proud of liking the colour green - it's a built in preferance.. it's like being proud of having brown hair - it just randomly happened through genetics. You SHOULD be proud of your actions & choices (if you made the right ones in your own mind) - but to be proud of something so stupid is beyond excuse. Pride comes before a fall and all that, eh?

I guess being proud of being white/black/green/whatever is acceptable when you have NOTHING else to be proud of because all you have done throughout your life is make WRONG decisions and can only fall back on your roots for something to be proud of.