Gardai are to be issued with pepper spray.

Run_to_da_hills

It has been reported that the Gardai are to be issued with Pepper spray as an alternative sourse to carrying arms or tazer guns. This measure has been brought in because of the increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force.

I agree that this is better choice than issuing certain members of the force with lethal weapons nevertheless I believe that this new measure must be very closely monitored.

In the light of this perhaps the Government can now relax our ridiculous drinking regulations in line with any normal western civilization and at the same time claw back much of its badly needed revenue.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1023/gardai.html

Wonder if it'd taste nice in soup.

big b

Is this going to be a seasonal thing?

Quazzie

I heard this on the radio on my way into work this morning, and the first thing I thought of was that this is gonna set RTDH off.. Am I too into boards or is RTDH too predictable?

Karoma

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I agree that this is better choice than issuing certain members of the force with lethal weapons nevertheless I believe that this new measure must be very closely monitored.

Garda hierarchy & internal investigations and the Garda Ombudsman tend to ruin Garda fun with new toys.

In the light of this perhaps the Government can now relax our ridiculous drinking regulations in line with any normal western civilization and at the same time claw back much of its badly needed revenue.

This fits in how?

SEPT 23 1989

the slippery slope

Dyr

Hmm.. RTE ...How is someones who's carrying a telescopic baton "unarmed"?

Would have sooner seen them given tasers over pepper spray

TheEnforcer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the slippery slope

You got that right.

Look at the US where they fire tassers for the slightest "offence".

I know a good few garda, I would not trust them for a second.

The Master

Excellent , One spray and you're south of the border

Gran Hermano

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder if it'd taste nice in soup.

Only a matter of time before a garda ends up in A&E after testing what
pepper spray tastes like on his breakfast roll.

Vain

I bet they will use it like its water.

seamus

Vain wrote: »

I bet they will use it like its water.

When is the last time you, or anyone you know, has had a Garda do anything more than give them a raised voice or a "stand back there please"?

It takes a fairly extreme set of circumstances for the Gardai to even take out their batons. They're hardly going to be using this stuff liberally.

The benefit of pepper spray is that it allows you to disable a violent arrestee without having to get involved in a scuffle - with a baton, you need to put yourself at risk.

Vain

seamus wrote: »

When is the last time you, or anyone you know, has had a Garda do anything more than give them a raised voice or a "stand back there please"?

It takes a fairly extreme set of circumstances for the Gardai to even take out their batons. They're hardly going to be using this stuff liberally.

The benefit of pepper spray is that it allows you to disable a violent arrestee without having to get involved in a scuffle - with a baton, you need to put yourself at risk.

I know a few garda and they all have power issues. Doesn't bother me about them using pepper spray, just think they will use it too freely.

Run_to_da_hills

Bambi wrote: »

Would have sooner seen them given tasers over pepper spray

Protesting old ones with heart pacers wouldn't agree you on that one.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Protesting old ones with heart pacers wouldn't agree you on that one.

The spray will probably help with the cataracts.

Dyr

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Protesting old ones with heart pacers wouldn't agree you on that one.

I think more can go wrong with pepper spray tbh

the other thing is that its not like the good old days when your average copper was a great hulking bacon 'n cabbage savage. Most of the current lot are itty bitty gardettes and gardeenies, they probably need all the equalizers that they can get

Biggins

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It has been reported that the Gardai are to be issued with Pepper spray as an alternative sourse to carrying arms or tazer guns. This measure has been brought in because of the increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1023/gardai.html

About time too.

Raze_them_all

I think the question is how strong a pepper spray?? wasn't there cases where it weren strong enough and only angered the person more and beat the crap outta thecops??

Vain

It might clean the dirt out of some skangers eyes that hasn't washed in years.

Frisbee

They dont go around bating everyone with their batons which they've had for years.
So why do you think the attitude will change all of a sudden now they have pepper spray?

Vain

Frisbee wrote: »

They dont go around bating everyone with their batons which they've had for years.
So why do you think the attitude will change all of a sudden now they have pepper spray?

Batons leave marks pepper spraying doesn't:pac:

Celticfire

A few van loads are already on the way to Rossport....

drunkmonkey

Is it illegal for me to carry pepper spray?

Most Garda are good people and they need some kind of defence...but so do women, children and old people, should we not give them some pepper spray as well?

Pepper spray could very easily be abused....I'm going to say no, don't give it to them....just put more Garda on the streets...

this is abuse of pepper spray:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8&feature=related

Dinter

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It has been reported that the Gardai are to be issued with Pepper spray as an alternative sourse to carrying arms or tazer guns. This measure has been brought in because of the increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force.

I agree that this is better choice than issuing certain members of the force with lethal weapons nevertheless I believe that this new measure must be very closely monitored.

Ok you say it's been introduced to deal with "increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force". Then you go on to say that it has to "very closely monitored".

Why?

A Garda carries the extendable ASP baton at the moment that is more than capable of splintering an elbow or indeed delivering a fatal blow. On the other hand all pepper spray will do is incapacitate you. Stop implying that this is some sort of draconian measure that's going to allow the Gardai to assault normal decent people all over the place.

It's nothing of the sort. It's a long overdue measure that might go some way to redressing the imbalance between the Gardai and the people who'd wish harm on you.

Come on Jerry Fletcher, shouldn't you be out driving your cab?

Tigger

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It has been reported that the Gardai are to be issued with Pepper spray as an alternative sourse to carrying arms or tazer guns. This measure has been brought in because of the increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force.

I agree that this is better choice than issuing certain members of the force with lethal weapons nevertheless I believe that this new measure must be very closely monitored.

In the light of this perhaps the Government can now relax our ridiculous drinking regulations in line with any normal western civilization and at the same time claw back much of its badly needed revenue.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1023/gardai.html

you wanna monitor it run monitor whether they use it on the shell to sea protestors

Dinter

Tigger wrote: »

you wanna monitor it run monitor whether they use it on the shell to sea protestors

Don't worry Tigger, with his extensive system of yoghurt carton and string listening devices, Run_to_da_Hills monitors everything fom his "House of Justice (back bedroom annex)".

Honey-ec

Deleted User wrote: »

Wonder if it'd taste nice in soup.

Mmmmm, incapacitating...

phantom_lord

how embarrassing

Homer

drunkmonkey wrote: »

this is abuse of pepper spray:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8&feature=related

In fairness I'd have sprayed "shelwanda" too. Did you count how many times he asked her to put her hands behind her back and she resisted arrest?
Should he just have patiently waited till SHE was ready to comply with his directions?

SheroN

Homer wrote: »

In fairness I'd have sprayed "shelwanda" too. Did you count how many times he asked her to put her hands behind her back and she resisted arrest?
Should he just have patiently waited till SHE was ready to comply with his directions?

That wasn't an abuse of power. It was a cop with patience up holding the law. He asked the girl about 60 times to put her arm behind her back and then she bit him, so he pepper sprayed her.

Tigger

seamus wrote: »

When is the last time you, or anyone you know, has had a Garda do anything more than give them a raised voice or a "stand back there please"?

It takes a fairly extreme set of circumstances for the Gardai to even take out their batons. They're hardly going to be using this stuff liberally.
.

come to mayo dude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6N5Fk6xaKo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h12RZtxqbo&feature=related

azezil

<panicked citizen> look out, he's got a gun!!
<guardí> don't worry! I've got my pepper spray.

:rolleyes:

Dyr

Homer wrote: »

In fairness I'd have sprayed "shelwanda" too. Did you count how many times he asked her to put her hands behind her back and she resisted arrest?
Should he just have patiently waited till SHE was ready to comply with his directions?

I'd have run over her in my pepper spray car, thats one annyoing g**bag right there

seamus

Tigger wrote: »

come to mayo dude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6N5Fk6xaKo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h12RZtxqbo&feature=related

Totally deserved it.

drunkmonkey

SheroN wrote: »

That wasn't an abuse of power. It was a cop with patience up holding the law. He asked the girl about 60 times to put her arm behind her back and then she bit him, so he pepper sprayed her.

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

seamus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

Not in the slightest. She was resisting arrest. Continually. State of panic or not, she then assaulted him. So he disabled her.

Fair dues to the cop for having the guts to use force on a minor. If some of our under 16's got a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around.

Dyr

She panicked when she was biting him? Bite the cop get the spray, that's the rule.

Homer

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

YOU my friend are whats wrong with society!

drunkmonkey

seamus wrote: »

Not in the slightest. She was resisting arrest. Continually. State of panic or not, she then assaulted him. So he disabled her.

Fair dues to the cop for having the guts to use force on a minor. If some of our under 16's got a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around.

Agree ( a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around ) and disagree with you, that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

Tigger

seamus wrote: »

Totally deserved it.

are you being facetious
did you watch the first vid?
how do you reach that conclusion

seamus

that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

I don't have sound, but I'm assuming that it was the usual screaming and shouting that US cops seem to love doing. The idea is to shock and terrify the suspect into submission. She's 15, not 5. I'm sure she'll cope.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

There's your problem right there; The idea that we should be sexist in our arrest policies. If there's an arrest to be made, the officer on the scene does it. He's not a monkey, he has the ability to apply appropriate force.

Tigger wrote: »

are you being facetious
did you watch the first vid?
how do you reach that conclusion

I watched it before, ages ago. The guy was being an asshole, and fighting against the Garda. So he tries to escape and falls into a ditch. Boo hoo.

metman

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

What difference would it have made had she been resisting arrest by a female officer? The officer used reasonable force to restrain a struggling suspect who, by her actions, was resisting arrest and failing to comply with repeated verbal instructions. Its not rocket science and I fail to see how the sex of the arresting officer makes any difference.

Tigger

seamus wrote: »

I watched it before, ages ago. The guy was being an asshole, and fighting against the Garda. So he tries to escape and falls into a ditch. Boo hoo.

the child was 2/3rds the size and half the weight and was hurled into a ditch

what about the batton charges on peaceful protesters

i try to see to good in people but ....

Dave!

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Agree ( a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around ) and disagree with you, that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

Don't be ridiculous, the cop was totally right there.

"Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Miss, I don't want to force you 'cos you're small, but you need to listen to what I'm saying: Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your other hand behind your back. Don't resist me. Put your hand behind your back. Miss, you can't resist me miss.
etc.
Miss, you're going to get hurt. I'm going to have to use force." ***

He was entirely reasonable and gave her ample opportunity to comply. If anyone continues to resist arrest, and then assaults a police officer, then they're completely justified in using force to subdue them, minor or not, females or not.

*** Sounds a bit like snyper, no???

Run_to_da_hills

Biggins wrote: »

About time too.

In the wake of the recent budget I would be inclined to agree with you.

Just wear a pair of speedo swimming goggles at your next student demo

drunkmonkey

Dave! wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, the cop was totally right there.

I disagree the pepper spary was not required!

Seriously if that happend to a 15yr old girl from D4 you can just imagine the backlash....

I agree some times it can be called for, but sometimes it will be used to cause Trauma and nothing more...

If that cop couldn't refrain that girl without pepper spray well then he shouldn't be a cop.

Dinter

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Just wear a pair of speedo swimming goggles at your next student demo

You know the way when you chew a pepper in your mouth it makes your eyes water?

metamorphic

I'd have no problem with the guards re-introducing minimum height and even way back, minimum chest sizes (for the men too ). But seriously, some of the children in uniform is laughable.

If the guards need people for admin staffing and other technical areas of running a law enforcement force, they should hire them for that purpose. This running everyone through templemore only for them to be admin staff, or people who aren't suited to being "on the street" gards having to put in their time until they can get placed in the office is silly.

So, in summary, Spud gobbler Mick and John-Joe out on the street dishing out the justice. Tarquin and Quentin drinking a latte keeping the office in good running order. Or what do people feel would be a good structure for the guards?

Biggins

Given that the Gardi now face handguns, semi-automatics, a wide verity of knives, physical assaults from drug filled wackos whom also think nothing about spiting (transfer of AIDS/etc), I think the least we can do is give them something in the form of a pepperspray.

Guess what, if your not attacking a person that is there to normally protect you, you won't get sprayed!

lostexpectation

eru respond to people with guns, give em pepperspray sure but not the ordinary police or politcal 'start a riot cos thats the only way the can control a situation riot' police

Run_to_da_hills

Karoma wrote: »

Garda hierarchy & internal investigations and the Garda Ombudsman tend to ruin Garda fun with new toys.

This fits in how?

I think a gang of drunken yobs would behave themselves quite well if confronted with cops handling this stuff.

Dinter wrote: »

Ok you say it's been introduced to deal with "increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force". Then you go on to say that it has to "very closely monitored".

Why?

It has to be "very closely monitored" for several reasons.

It should be respected and threated as if it is a lethal weapon.

Each can must assigned with a serial number and handed out personally to the officer. That number is on record so if the can goes missing, becomes discharged or the seal is broken for any reason it must be reported immediately. This way there is a less chance of cans going "astray" and falling into the wrong hands.

Those carrying it must also receive proper training on its use and also how to treat people who have been sprayed by the stuff and it should only be used in self defense.

Pepper spray can be fatal if sprayed directly at those suffering from asthma.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2000/07/19/pepperspray000729.html