Is Britain the NWO Test State?

DubTony

If we're to believe what we read in newspapers and see on TV, it seems that the British are the most watched nation in the world. They have more cctv than *the world*. the new speed cameras can supposedly track you across miles and miles of countryside. You get fined for putting out your bin on the wrong day. More and more police officers are armed, and more of them wear military style uniforms. The government is dead set on introducing a national ID. There isn't a complete right to silence when arrested.

These few examples are straight off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more. Is Britain the test case for the NWO?

d0gb0y

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. The reason you think the UK is the test state is because we get a lot of the UK media here. If you are looking for a test state, I think you should keep a watch on Iceland;) or was Argentina the test state?

Australia is in my opinion further down the slippery slope than the UK. I have not seen much of NZ but i'm sure they are complying. Don't forget countries like Malaysia, Taiwan, UAE, Chile etc they are all going or have gone that way. Canada, Mexico & the US are been prepared for the NAU & the amerro which will be introduced soon. They already have the WHTI id card which will be mandatory from 06/09.

Another thing to note is that the NWO has been practicing & refining its techniques for a long time just look at the mess the world bank & the IMF created in africa.

All the EU states are complying.
So where are the irish intelligence services in all this?
I personally think the G2 & G3 have nice cosy offices in their masters BI GCHQ donut complex.

I will say that from looking at the influx of spying plans in the last 2 months that the pace has accelerated.

Run_to_da_hills

I would agree with you that the Uk is the "Guinea pig" of the NWO and is a lot further down the slippery road than most other countries, I lived in Australia for two years back in the 90ies and it was very much a police state back then particularly Victoria, between speed cams, general law and order etc, they had just introduced mandatory push bike helmets.

The UK were one of the first countries in the world to introduce the registered smart card IE the "Oyster card" now 80% of the LRT is operated by them. Ireland is only starting with this technology and have so far gone about it complete arse ways. IE prepayed disposable smart cards

London has more CCTV than any other city in the world, and the highest density for CCTV is in the city of Croydon. There used to be an old expression that if you were in London "you were no more than 10ft from a rat", now the same can be said about cctv. The London Borough of Newham, has a 3D facial recognition system built into their borough wide CCTV system.

I have just heard that new laws are being introduced for mandatory registering of mobile phones on all new accounts with passport identification. Every week something new crops up on this topic.

Kama

Interestingly, cctv takeup has been most enthusiastic in those nations which weren't occupied by totalitarian regimes such as the Nazis...funny that...

Run_to_da_hills

The UK Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Ken Mc Donald has warned that Britain's freedoms under threat from a "Big Brother security state".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079155/Britains-freedoms-threat-Big-Brother-security-state-warns-Director-Public-Prosecutions.html

DubTony

d0gb0y wrote: »

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. The reason you think the UK is the test state is because we get a lot of the UK media here. If you are looking for a test state, I think you should keep a watch on Iceland;) or was Argentina the test state?

Fair point d0gb0y. I suppose I see the front of British newspapers every day (in particular the Daily Express) and it just seems to me that the British government seems to be doing it's best to "interfere" in as many ways as possible in the lives of the British people. It looks like they are finding more and more ways to not just watch the public but to actually affect them in very subtle ways.
I believe Britain was the first democratic country to remove the absolute right to silence, on the basis that criminals would no longer be able to construct an alibi later on. The people accepted this with little fuss (have any other countries followed?).

As Run_to_da_hills states, every week there's something new. I get the impression that they're simply seeing how much the public can take, which lead me to the topic and put it up for discussion. I wasn't aware that Australia was also so far along the Police State path.

As for your comments regarding Argentina and Iceland, are you referring more to the monetary crashes and subsequent "bailouts"? This wasn't what I had in mind, but fits nicely into a NWO conspiracy.

Run_to_da_hills

The UK can also force its totalitarian police state regime on other foreign countries such as Ireland to the point that we are isolated without accepting them.

An example of this is the recent mandate to the Irish Government requiring us to accept an electronic border control between the two countries. This would of course require the roll out of the RFID based National ID as many Irish citizens do not have passports and others that have them were issued prior to October 2006.

New compulsory mobile phone registration in the UK could soon force all Irish citizens that frequent Northern Ireland and the UK to register their phone with their service providers. Failure to do so could result in IMEI blockage on entering the UK.

kryogen

my simplistic answer to the question without reading any other posts due to time constraints is

no, China is the testing state for the NWO

rexusdiablos

This all has an eerie similarity to film "V for Vendetta". Remember? Most of the world gets wiped out and England synthesises a deadly disease firstly to depopulate and secondly to declare national emergancy for the British Citizens to surrender their liberty for oppression. Eventually everyone rises against their government but in real life it has to be said that we'd just bend over and ask for more.

In fact, thats what we're doing right now. I'm actually done caring about whether people think I'm crazy or not. We're all just going to let this happen. Why aren't we meeting or at the very least defining agendas? We (us CTers) all seem to think we're more righteous than the sheep who don't even know about these theories.

:eek: NEWSFLASH :eek:

WE ARE NOT! WE'RE LESS RIGHTEOUS FOR DOING NOTHING WHEN WE ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE!

Our children and grandchildren are all going to be born into a living nightmarish hell because we're apathethically standing by and speculating. Our inaction is perhaps as evil as that of the culprits. :mad:

nyarlothothep

Lets form a political party

Run_to_da_hills

kryogen wrote: »

my simplistic answer to the question without reading any other posts due to time constraints is

no, China is the testing state for the NWO

China would be a large creditor to the system. It has been a police state for decades unlike the UK but never had such state of the art surveillance. The UK has also a smaller population to contend with, smaller road network etc. There is already plans to put ANPR cameras throughout the UK's motorway system.

The uK has really only started to come out of its shell since 9/11. Britain has also a lot of influence and pressure from the US more so than China particularly towards the introduction of the National id, (Real ID in the USA).

Hong Kong has a universal transit smartcard similar to the Oystercard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_card

rexusdiablos

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Lets form a political party

How about this?



Jokes aside a political party would be premature. We need to covertly organize ourselves offline.

Mahatma coat

CT Beers Woooo!!! bring tinfoil hat

Kernel

rexusdiablos wrote: »

How about this?



Jokes aside a political party would be premature. We need to covertly organize ourselves offline.

haha, very good. As for forming a political party, why not, if there is a mandate there (look at the green party). Only problem is, as you have all witnessed in the Jim Corr backlash, people and media are not too fond of non mainstream theories.

nyarlothothep

It can start with the basics, for example it would be against intrusive surveillance techniques as one of its primary mandates, CIA/imperialist activities. These can be backed up by facts. Then conspiratorially we gradually morph into the conspiracy theory party and people will be duped before they realize its too late!

Other than that it wouldn't necessarily have to be a conventional political party based on attracting the mainstream vote...

Kernel

nyarlothothep wrote: »

It can start with the basics, for example it would be against intrusive surveillance techniques as one of its primary mandates, CIA/imperialist activities. These can be backed up by facts. Then conspiratorially we gradually morph into the conspiracy theory party and people will be duped before they realize its too late!

Other than that it wouldn't necessarily have to be a conventional political party based on attracting the mainstream vote...

Think about it though chaps, you could be against knives because they can cause death, but they are also a useful tool. The benefits of CCTV are improved security against crime, and increased crime detection. Is this a bad thing for a society in which crime is a serious problem?

Another thing worth considering is that once involved in the process of governance, the conspiracy theory party would be involved in it's own conspiracies and secrecy - that's politics and you can't startle the profane with too many truths.

nyarlothothep

The focus would be on more intrusive forms of surveillance. The party would function to bring about total dismantlement of all institutions, in effect creating a state of anarchy, but not chaos. This would neutralize elite rule and consequently reduce the level of potential conspiracies.

rexusdiablos

nyarlothothep wrote: »

The focus would be on more intrusive forms of surveillance. The party would function to bring about total dismantlement of all institutions, in effect creating a state of anarchy, but not chaos. This would neutralize elite rule and consequently reduce the level of potential conspiracies.

You need to realise that such a party would never be allowed to rise. They exist in America in abundance in various shapes and forms. The media simply diverts attention elsewhere. In the past three to four months CNN and Fox have neglected to provide coverage for several controversial riots in the States.

The only way you'll beat their order is by adopting their methodogies. They've made a virtual science out of mass directive control. The key to their success is that they embrace the fact that the majority of the populace are not nurtured by truth but by leadership.

Only when you're willing to get you're hands dirty will you be able to effectivly combat the issues at hand. Subterfuge and covert operations are our means. So many folk have pointed out that this will only make us just like 'them'. Wrong! Though our means are the same the ends are fundamentally distinct. Theirs is control whereas ours is altruistic.

You won't win this battle as a boy scout clinging to doctrinations of truth. Most of you will realise this before its too late

Mahatma coat

you keep sayin that Casey and I keep sayin that the truth is the only effective weapon we have, Just keep shoutin in the wilderness and eventualy enough people will hear the message, become disilousioned with the current system and open their minds to the possibilities of change.

if you atempt to trick them it will backfire

nyarlothothep

rexusdiablos wrote: »

You need to realise that such a party would never be allowed to rise. They exist in America in abundance in various shapes and forms. The media simply diverts attention elsewhere. In the past three to four months CNN and Fox have neglected to provide coverage for several controversial riots in the States.

The only way you'll beat their order is by adopting their methodogies. They've made a virtual science out of mass directive control. The key to their success is that they embrace the fact that the majority of the populace are not nurtured by truth but by leadership.

Only when you're willing to get you're hands dirty will you be able to effectivly combat the issues at hand. Subterfuge and covert operations are our means. So many folk have pointed out that this will only make us just like 'them'. Wrong! Though our means are the same the ends are fundamentally distinct. Theirs is control whereas ours is altruistic.

You won't win this battle as a boy scout clinging to doctrinations of truth. Most of you will realise this before its too late

Well it depends what direction you want to take it. If its going to be head on collision with the powers that be, "the party" could use cyber warfare methods against them (as this would be cool). In addition infiltration into government databases, like in the case of that dude who broke into the Pentagons mainframe, would be useful. The info could be disseminated across the net.

Philosophically speaking the ends don't justify the means though. The party would have to work out how the means themselves would be ethically justifiable based in their own contexts. This would mean no killing people or torture, unless they happen to be shapeshifting lizards.

ron_darrell

I'm having a hard time seeing why y'all have a problem with this. Left to their own devices, the majority of modern first world citizens seem either to go down the road of apathy and inactivity (turning into the potato coaches nurtured by fatty foods and daytime tv) or senseless mindless hooligans (nurtured by football hooliganism, racism & vigilantism).

Without control of some kind the whole world would collapse in on top of itself. It would be nice to think that people could self motivate but it's patently obvious that they can't. Government is elected to govern. Laws and observation are the tools needed by government to control the unprecedented number of people in the world.

There is no big conspiracy here. Look to nature. Any society of large numbers has a hierarchy and a central command structure, strongly enforced by 'strong arm' tactics. For the whole to survive, the rights of the few must be overriden.

Instead of standing there complaining about what's going on, why not put your time and (to be fair) intelligence to the problem of how to fix society/people so these tactics are no longer required. How do we motivate people to do what is right?

Run_to_da_hills

The UK authorities to carry hand held thumb print scanners for on street fingerprint checks. :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7692677.stm

DubTony

ron_darrell wrote: »

I'm having a hard time seeing why y'all have a problem with this. Left to their own devices, the majority of modern first world citizens seem either to go down the road of apathy and inactivity (turning into the potato coaches (love that) nurtured by fatty foods and daytime tv) or senseless mindless hooligans (nurtured by football hooliganism, racism & vigilantism)

.....

Instead of standing there complaining about what's going on, why not put your time and (to be fair) intelligence to the problem of how to fix society/people so these tactics are no longer required. How do we motivate people to do what is right?

It's difficult to motivate people to any course of action when they're sitting on their arses filling their heads with reality tv muck and drivel produced by those who only interest is the bottom line. The most popular tv shows across the globe are those that don't require people to think. Simply sit back and react to what you see on the box.

"We'll provide the entertainment if you provide the pizza (or even the spuds)"

People need the information because they don't have a clue what's going on right under their noses. But unless you can stick it in front of them via the tv, and spoon-feed it to them, there's little hope. Every day of the week the Daily Express has some story or other about how peoples rights are being eroded, but it makes no difference because newspaper sales are falling steadily year on year.

If you can get the message out and look like you can make any impact, all it takes is for someone to call you a CONSPIRACY THEORIST and it's game over.

The perfect example is David Icke. The guy didn't do himself any favours over the year with the lizard stuff, and as a result his tv appearances most of the British public see him as one of the greatest crackpot nutjob idiots to ever walk the planet.

If you put yourself out there, you'll get slapped. That's it. And most people just can't take the ridicule.

rexusdiablos

Anybody familiar with Nietzsche will know that society by nature defaults into a ruling elite and submissive slave class.

The masses will always need to be governed. All I propose is an essentially atruistic governance. What we've settled for originally concerned itself with the prerogative of capital gain.

The aformentioned boy-scouts parading their flags of absolute truth will be nothing more than front-line fodder.

Run_to_da_hills

Everyone at this stage is aware that Gordon Browne is in Bed with the EU parlament and USA on this so called "war on terror". Drastic new laws that will further corrode our civil liberties are of no surprise to us at this stage and are now taken with just a pinch of salt and even commended by the sheeple..

Under new measures anyone departing the UK by land, sea or air will have their trip recorded and stored on a database for a decade.

The travel plans and personal details of every holidaymaker, business traveler and day-tripper who leaves Britain are to be tracked by the Government according to the Daily Telegraph.

Passengers leaving every international sea port, station or airport will have to supply detailed personal information as well as their travel plans. So-called "booze cruisers" who cross the Channel for a couple of hours to stock up on wine, beer and cigarettes will be subject to the rules.

Heathrow fingerprint plan challenged In addition, weekend sailors and sea fishermen will be caught by the system if they plan to travel to another country or face the possibility of criminal prosecution.

The owners of light aircraft will also be brought under the system, known as e-borders, which will eventually track 250 million journeys annually.

Even swimmers attempting to cross the Channel and their support teams will be subject to the rules which will require the provision of travelers' personal information such as passport and credit card details, home and email addresses and exact travel plans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4987415/All-travel-plans-to-be-tracked-by-Government.html

Harolds+

NWO is coming and is nearly here.

I heard the Gov of the Central Bank saying we need it (January 2009) so eventually we will get it.

I used to think the insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan etc were terrorists but they are freedom fighters who dont want a NWO.

Look at Lisbon. They are trying to force us to accept it

Harolds+

check out this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCyxNzApuuI&NR=1

meglome

I was just wondering could someone list off all the bad things that have unjustly happened to people with all this surveillance?

I mean people robbing Grannies on the street better watch out as the man will get them, I for one am disgusted.

(And really I'd like my question answered).

K-9

Kernel wrote: »

Think about it though chaps, you could be against knives because they can cause death, but they are also a useful tool. The benefits of CCTV are improved security against crime, and increased crime detection. Is this a bad thing for a society in which crime is a serious problem?

Indeed, just look at After Hours. People want more civil rights etc. but the Guards to catch more scum etc. etc. The 2 don't reconcile. If we want Guards to be more effective we need more laws!

Harolds+ wrote: »

NWO is coming and is nearly here.

I heard the Gov of the Central Bank saying we need it (January 2009) so eventually we will get it.

I used to think the insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan etc were terrorists but they are freedom fighters who dont want a NWO.

Look at Lisbon. They are trying to force us to accept it

Any links if you can see it so clearly?

bonkey

RTDH - what does the image have to do with the thread content?

Harolds+

Yes, if a grannie is mugged and there are cameras in that particular place then its great that the person will be apprehended

The problem with a NWO is that civilisation and/or Govt is no longer run by the people or by the Govt but by corporations/financial institutions who dictate what we should do. Freedom of speech, religion and Govt is gone and there will be one dictator. Gordon Brown said it himelf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0

I firmly believe Bush killed his own (and Irish) on 11th September to start his war with Afghanistan (pipelines to Iran), Iraq (oil) and then (pipelines and its oil) Iran.

Hitler burned his own Reichstag and blamed the Communists to start a war. The economy went well when WWII started and the Banks financed it and there will be another September 11th (Iran) and it will be a big lie started by the NWO!!

Harolds+

Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_paLwaflM&NR=1

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

RTDH - what does the image have to do with the thread content?

The image has plenty to do with the thread content on monitoring ones movements across the UK.

The picture depicts a high security next generation electronic smart card, similar to the one being rolled out across the UK and America. (HR418).Embedded smart cards will be one the effectice tools of the up and coming "global order" and will be used to track and trace all your movements and store them on a database.

The card will soon be required by law for all internal travel across the UK and NI also for those leaving and entering the the country from Ireland. It will have similar electronic storage features to the current passport but may have additional features due to existing cloning problems. It will be of a more suitable credit card size to the "book" type passports and will also be compatible across the Eurozone.

Although the card may not physically look like the example that will be issued it will contain most or all the features depicted on the image. The card will have an embedded 13.57 microchip that will store all your personal details including thumb and retina scans and will be multipurpose and inter-operable through out the European Union.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/letters/id-cards-are-on-the-way-14211980.html

FreeEnergy

Hi all,

I bailed out of Britain and came to Ireland in 2004.
It was going from bad to worse even then.
Speed cameras that photograph you in two places then work out the average speed and send you a ticket if you made the journey too quickley.
I have see it with my own eyes.

Ireland thankfully has a constitution.
I read all of it and although i found it a little vague at least you have one.
I have not set foot in the UK since the day i left and i never will again.
My passport expired and I hope to get an Irish one and apply for naturalisation when i qualify (anyone know?)

This can only go on for so long before heads end up on pikes.
It only takes one person to get hungry to stop the ball rolling.

One saving grace in Ireland is that the armed forces are no match for the population in terms of size.

I have never hoped i was wrong more than today.

M.

Harolds+

FreeEnergy wrote: »

Ireland thankfully has a constitution.
quote]

Well if we vote for the Lisbon Treaty, we may as well give them access to our homes because if that is ratified then we are all [EMAIL="fu@ked"]fu@ked[/EMAIL].

People have to speak up and stop the lies. Our Govt is lying and won't protect us from a NWO. Lisbon will make us worthless.

Say NO to Lisbon ; Say NO to a NWO!

FreeEnergy

Hi,

I agree 100%

I have never voted and i was told i couldn't vote here by an idiot i beleived!

Seems i can and I am not going to register JUST TO VOTE NO! to lisbon.

M.

Harolds+

Good stuff

We have to show people we are not sheeple but people.

Govts around the world do not represent us but do represent the likes of Auctioneers, Pub Groups, financial con artists, Builders/Developers and more alarming : Banksters.

It was the Banks that got us in this mess and it is us who will pay for it for the rest of our lives and we are getting NOTHING out of it.

People are distracted with the tv and media that show us shows about American Idol and the evils of Iran but NEVER show us the true pictures of the genocide and quest for world domination.

They (US and Britain) wont go after Robert Mugabe and his rogue regime. Why? There is no oil there.

They are trying to dumb down education ; brainwash us and distract us from what is really happening out there.

Boycott Skynews

FreeEnergy

Boycott SkyNews?

You must have already Boycotted the BBC then?

They are awfull in everyway and about 4 days late with most of their stories.
Not to mention they are clearly steered by their political officer.

M.

Harolds+

I dont read the Irish Independent/Herald or watch Sky, BBC or ITV News.

I read the Irish Times and watch Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is a fantastic channel but I think you have to get a dish to get it (we have it). We binned our NTL and got Freesat in and its brilliant (no more bills and its not the 'dodgy box').

The media has a major role to play in this and the above papers and news channels are run and owned by corporate LIARS. I used to believe all the nonsense about muslim extremists and scared witless about going away (but thats what the NWO want : fear and to trust the NWO).

I'm ashamed to say I was anti-muslim when the attacks in America started and also the War in Iraq but the lies started to unravel when there was no WMD's in Iraq and the US Govt's quest to take control of the M.E despite other atrocites in the world Zimbabwe, North Korea, Darfur etc - no US or British soldiers there

Iran will be next and they will make up some lie to invade there.

Nobody wins but the corporations involved in the War.

Sometimes I hate this world :mad:

getz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The image has plenty to do with the thread content on monitoring ones movements across the UK.

The picture depicts a high security next generation electronic smart card, similar to the one being rolled out across the UK and America. (HR418).Embedded smart cards will be one the effectice tools of the up and coming "global order" and will be used to track and trace all your movements and store them on a database.

The card will soon be required by law for all internal travel across the UK and NI also for those leaving and entering the the country from Ireland. It will have similar electronic storage features to the current passport but may have additional features due to existing cloning problems. It will be of a more suitable credit card size to the "book" type passports and will also be compatible across the Eurozone.

Although the card may not physically look like the example that will be issued it will contain most or all the features depicted on the image. The card will have an embedded 13.57 microchip that will store all your personal details including thumb and retina scans and will be multipurpose and inter-operable through out the European Union.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/letters/id-cards-are-on-the-way-14211980.html

you are making this up as you go along -under eu law no goverment can restrict its people from traveling within it own country ie the united kingdom-the big problem for britian it seems that everyone wants to live here[except the natives] it is to easy for terrorists to get in from the outside ;remember we have been a target for terrorists for many years [irish and islamic] it is now also becoming a problem for the republic with [imformation from the guarda saying there are 13 known islamic terrorist cells within the republic] you can check this out on any web site-every day now in the uk with its large muslim population you you find the police raiding and finding bomb making equiptment-so far the republic is peace full

Harolds+

getz wrote: »

you are making this up as you go along -under eu law no goverment can restrict its people from traveling within it own country ie the united kingdom-the big problem for britian it seems that everyone wants to live here[except the natives] it is to easy for terrorists to get in from the outside ;remember we have been a target for terrorists for many years [irish and islamic] it is now also becoming a problem for the republic with [imformation from the guarda saying there are 13 known islamic terrorist cells within the republic] you can check this out on any web site-every day now in the uk with its large muslim population you you find the police raiding and finding bomb making equiptment-so far the republic is peace full

Run to da Hill is not talking bullsh1T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

The fact is that there is widespread fear orchestrated by the North Korean style British and US media saying the Govt is monitoring these groups and its citizens should be vigilant and be VERY AFRAID of the terrorists when the terrorists is the Govt itself :rolleyes:

There are plenty of GITMO style camps in the US (i.e. FEMA is developing camps for its citizens and the likely civil war that will happen in the next few years) and the Brits are have secret holding areas for so-called terrorists

NWO is under construction as we speak

getz

Harolds+ wrote: »

Run to da Hill is not talking bullsh1T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

The fact is that there is widespread fear orchestrated by the North Korean style British and US media saying the Govt is monitoring these groups and its citizens should be vigilant and be VERY AFRAID of the terrorists when the terrorists is the Govt itself :rolleyes:

There are plenty of GITMO style camps in the US (i.e. FEMA is developing camps for its citizens and the likely civil war that will happen in the next few years) and the Brits are have secret holding areas for so-called terrorists

NWO is under construction as we speak

there are people in in the states who believe aliens from outer space walking around-but what has this to do with the uk ? and if the brits have secret holding areas for terrorists .how do you know? and it wouldent be a secret would it-mybe i am reading the wrong comic book

Harolds+

getz wrote: »

there are people in in the states who believe aliens from outer space walking around-but what has this to do with the uk ? and if the brits have secret holding areas for terrorists .how do you know? and it wouldent be a secret would it-mybe i am reading the wrong comic book

Rendition flights and diplock trials are secret and are well documented in books, documentaries (and I suppose aliens are too!). The problem is that we don't see the proceedings. I dont believe in aliens but I do believe we are led to believe in the bogeyman and so far a lot of people are falling for it

thecommander

Harolds+ wrote: »

...are secret and are well documented ...

Bit of a contradiction there.

Harolds+

thecommander wrote: »

Bit of a contradiction there.

yea, I see that

Diplock trials were the norm during the Troubles. The defendent was judged and sentenced in a puppet courtroom without the jury and the media. Gitmo is the same. The proceedings were secret but maybe I should mention the prisoners who were freed and spoke of the proceedings and also the whistle blowers : the guards.

FEMA is building detention centres (while we speak) for US citizens who will speak out against the rogue regime in the US.

If you think China breaches human rights, wait until you see the US!

Diogenes

Harolds+ wrote: »

yea, I see that

Diplock trials were the norm during the Troubles. The defendent was judged and sentenced in a puppet courtroom without the jury and the media. Gitmo is the same. The proceedings were secret but maybe I should mention the prisoners who were freed and spoke of the proceedings and also the whistle blowers : the guards.

FEMA is building detention centres (while we speak) for US citizens who will speak out against the rogue regime in the US.

If you think China breaches human rights, wait until you see the US!

You mean the US that recently swore to dismantle Gitmo. Those evil bastards.

For those who claim the UK is a model NWO state, you are only displaying your ignorance. Want to see a police state? Wander over to North Korea. Oh you mean you can't leave/enter this state? Okay. Well I suppose the North Koreans call tell us what it's like living there through the internet. Oh no wait they don't have that. Well I suppose they can learn about us through free media. Oh no wait all tvs are preset to only receive state tv. Well I suppose they can have free and open discussions about government policy? No wait even putting up anti government graffiti is an act of defiance that most North Koreans can't conceive of, and those that do face the death penalty.

Yeah, Britain is a total police state.

Harolds+

Diogenes wrote: »

You mean the US that recently swore to dismantle Gitmo. Those evil bastards.
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I'm glad you picked North Korea. North Korea has fired missiles into Japanese airspace and is currently planning to test one in April but the US has never ONCE (and never will!!) sent in Army personnel to quell the tension but where oil is concerned its all flag waving and terror warning. Britain is a sop to the US and will always follow suit and I agree with the author of this thread. Britain is the first test case for the NWO.

SKYNEWS is the biggest tabloid puppet in the developed world and the only difference between SKYNEWS and North Korean News is good looking women in western suits. These viewers who sing its news are brainwashed by the same lying mantra that we are living under terror when the real terrorists is the US and British Govt.

Yes, there are jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan but wouldn't you pick up arms if soldiers arrived in tanks in your streets firing rockets at your family and neighbours.

I'd be first in the queue !

K-9

Iran is ok though.

Harolds+

K-9 wrote: »

Iran is ok though.

Iran is not ok when you have a blood thirsty terrorist state called Israel wanting its destruction mixed with a gigantic country with immense weaponry that is controlled by AIPAC.

However, Iran MAY be ok if Russia will vow to protect it (its investments in Iran) and hopefully rid the planet of the only country that wishes to dominate and ruin the world : USA

K-9

Harolds+ wrote: »

Iran is not ok when you have a blood thirsty terrorist state called Israel wanting its destruction mixed with a gigantic country with immense weaponry that is controlled by AIPAC.

However, Iran MAY be ok if Russia will vow to protect it (its investments in Iran) and hopefully rid the planet of the only country that wishes to dominate and ruin the world : USA

LOL

I love the perpetuating the NWO ideology, Russia is ok, USA/Israel isn't!

I thought anti NWO's would want disarmament!

Harolds+

K-9 wrote: »

LOL

I love the perpetuating the NWO ideology, Russia is ok, USA/Israel isn't!

I thought anti NWO's would want disarmament!

LMAO

You're spot on but I think the majority of anti-NWO's are bolshies in disguise and favour a red revolution