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Cash In Transit Convoys..

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    #32
    L1011
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    quirke_folder wrote: »
    How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

    They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

    I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

    Your posts have the quality of a petulant 17 year old who's just got their learners permit and thinks they're indestructable / above the law.

    The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

    Some day you'll get stopped for this. That day you'll be done for dangerous driving for it, just because. Have fun.


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    #33
    towel401
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    MYOB wrote: »
    The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

    they using TETRA over here now or a different system?


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    #34
    Berty
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    MYOB wrote: »
    Your posts have the quality of a petulant 17 year old who's just got their learners permit and thinks they're indestructable / above the law.

    The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

    Some day you'll get stopped for this. That day you'll be done for dangerous driving for it, just because. Have fun.

    Thank you & Your Welcome


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    #35
    L1011
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    towel401 wrote: »
    they using TETRA over here now or a different system?

    Belive so.


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    #36
    Cmar-Ireland
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    BrianD3 wrote: »
    One day I saw someone overtake an unmarked + two truck convoy over hatch markings and on a bend. Gardai didn't appear to do anything (not that I'd expect them to just abandon their escort duties) but possibly his reg was radioed in.


    Wonder if it was this fella :rolleyes:
    quirke_folder wrote: »
    I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.


    :D


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    #37
    towel401
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    i doubt the garda driver actually gets pissed off.. lol


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    #38
    Wishbone Ash
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    A bit off topic but I was on the M1 northbound a few months back and spotted an unusual convoy. A blacked out Merc S600 with two Range Rovers in front and two behind, also with blacked out windows. What made it particularly unusual was that they were travelling in incredibly close formation and at about 100kph. There was no way any other vehicle could have come between them.


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    #39
    Hotwheels
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    I always stay behind for a bit! just in case something falls out €€€€ :D


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    #40
    Darragh29
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    quirke_folder wrote: »
    Many years ago the Irish army were drafted to Shannon Airport for the landing of the US Armys' first illegal flight because of the thousands of protestors heading to the airport.

    I along with many other motorists did not move for the "wannabee" tanks that came up the single lane carraigeway behind us. They had to sit behind us. It was mark of protest on our part as we were on our way to work in the Ind Est.

    Around 10 of us were pulled over down the street and questioned as to why we did not pull over for the Army. I requested to konw the legality of a tank doing more than 60 mph with no flashing lights or siren and how I am supposed to know to get out of its way.

    I was told to clear off and get to work.

    You think getting caught in a convoy of securicor is bad. Imagine my bad luck to get caught in a funeral procession between the hearse and the two stretchs.

    I did cash in transit convoys once when I was in the army. Military have no jurisdiction unless martial law has been declared. You don't have to answer or entertain an officer or an NCO, unless martial law has been declared. They have the right to fire if their mission is under theat, which would require them to come under attack or armed fire, but they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...


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    #41
    Gary ITR
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    S.I.R wrote: »

    Hate to have some 6'4 18 stone waster from the part timers try and kill me with styre AUG... would be a shame...

    Be good for boards though.. the amount of senseless posts in motors would drop by 96.8% :D


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    #42
    TheNog
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    towel401 wrote: »
    they using TETRA over here now or a different system?

    The company Tetra Ireland are rolling out Tetra countrywide hopefully within the next 2 years but it has been used in a pilot programme in North Dublin for the past 7-8 years. Traffic Corp in Dublin are also using Tetra.

    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    A bit off topic but I was on the M1 northbound a few months back and spotted an unusual convoy. A blacked out Merc S600 with two Range Rovers in front and two behind, also with blacked out windows. What made it particularly unusual was that they were travelling in incredibly close formation and at about 100kph. There was no way any other vehicle could have come between them.

    Quite possible these were members of the ERU. I have heard those jeeps are bomb proof :eek:


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    #43
    Victor
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    On a motorway, the CIT van is obliged, by law, to remain in the left lane (as they generally exceed the 3500kg limit - yellow and green stripes to the side, red and orange stripes at the rear).
    Isn't it that they can't use the right hand lane (unless the speed limit is less than 80km/h)?


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    #44
    Wishbone Ash
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    Victor wrote: »
    Isn't it that they can't use the right hand lane (unless the speed limit is less than 80km/h)?
    Yes, I should have been more specific.

    Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

    The Nog?


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    #45
    Poccington
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    I did cash in transit convoys once when I was in the army. Military have no jurisdiction unless martial law has been declared. You don't have to answer or entertain an officer or an NCO, unless martial law has been declared. They have the right to fire if their mission is under theat, which would require them to come under attack or armed fire, but they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...

    Of course we don't interact with civilians, that's why the Garda are there.


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    #46
    Slidey
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    Yes, I should have been more specific.

    Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

    The Nog?

    They are not exempt from speedlimiter or tachograph laws in the Doe test, I do know that.

    On a side note, a twin wheel sprinter CIT van has a payload of about 300kg before it is over weight!


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    #47
    Latchy
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    Nobody ever tried it when i was in the back of those 4 x 4 land rovers.....ah memories :D


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    #48
    parsi
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Ibut they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...

    Probably wouldn't hear the answer anyway........................


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    #49
    TheNog
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    Yes, I should have been more specific.

    Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

    The Nog?

    I dont know for sure but common sense tells me that the vehicle being escorted must abide by the rules of the road same as any Garda patrol car driver driving in normal circumstances. I know this made me laugh as well. Many Garda drivers are brutal drivers and break the law regularly without any type of emergency.

    AFAIK there is nothing in the Road Traffic laws that specifically states the vehicle being escorted is exempt. Cash in Transit or Explosive escorts are not deemed urgent enough to need a high speed escort but high security prisoners are.

    I remember my dad telling me in the 1980's of the IRA prisoners being escorted from Portlaoise to the Four Courts were high speed escorts. The actual prisoner van would travel at 70-80mph with the Traffic Corp escort bikes doing 100+mph. On one escort at around Newlands X a mule was stopping traffic for the escort when he was hit by a car. The escort didn't stop to see if he was okay.


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    #50
    Darragh29
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    parsi wrote: »
    Probably wouldn't hear the answer anyway........................

    You might laugh... I had a situation like this years ago, our security detail (not a cash escort), but we were on a exercise that was well armed, the lead Land Rover crashed into a civilian vehicle, a milk truck of all vehicles.


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    #51
    Darragh29
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    TheNog wrote: »
    I dont know for sure but common sense tells me that the vehicle being escorted must abide by the rules of the road same as any Garda patrol car driver driving in normal circumstances. I know this made me laugh as well. Many Garda drivers are brutal drivers and break the law regularly without any type of emergency.

    AFAIK there is nothing in the Road Traffic laws that specifically states the vehicle being escorted is exempt. Cash in Transit or Explosive escorts are not deemed urgent enough to need a high speed escort but high security prisoners are.

    I remember my dad telling me in the 1980's of the IRA prisoners being escorted from Portlaoise to the Four Courts were high speed escorts. The actual prisoner van would travel at 70-80mph with the Traffic Corp escort bikes doing 100+mph. On one escort at around Newlands X a mule was stopping traffic for the escort when he was hit by a car. The escort didn't stop to see if he was okay.

    Why you you think that military vehicles drive with their headlamps on and with unique number plates that fall outside of the RTA???

    A Garda cannot legally stop a military vehicle, no matter what the circumstances...


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    #52
    brayblue24
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    parsi wrote: »
    Probably wouldn't hear the answer anyway........................

    LOL


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    #53
    SV
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    Onkle wrote: »
    Be good for boards though.. the amount of senseless posts in motors would drop by 96.8% :D

    hahaha...thank you!


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    #54
    Latchy
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    TheNog wrote: »
    I remember my dad telling me in the 1980's of the IRA prisoners being escorted from Portlaoise to the Four Courts were high speed escorts. The actual prisoner van would travel at 70-80mph with the Traffic Corp escort bikes doing 100+mph. On one escort at around Newlands X a mule was stopping traffic for the escort when he was hit by a car. The escort didn't stop to see if he was okay.
    Yes your dads right , we stopped for nobody ....


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    #55
    deadwood
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    Darragh29 wrote: »

    A Garda cannot legally stop a military vehicle, no matter what the circumstances...
    No matter what, really?:eek:
    A garda car can stop another garda car, but not a military vehicle?

    That's even better than diplomatic immunity!


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    #56
    Gary ITR
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    A bit OT but was it an Irish soldier that hit an old lady in the nose with the butt of his gun while he was standing guard over a cash delivery because she wouldn't back off or did that happen in the UK?


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    deadwood
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    Onkle wrote: »
    A bit OT but was it an Irish soldier that hit an old lady in the nose with the butt of his gun while he was standing guard over a cash delivery because she wouldn't back off or did that happen in the UK?
    I was odly askig for direcuds. I did't realide he wad od duty.


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    #58
    Darragh29
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    Onkle wrote: »
    A bit OT but was it an Irish soldier that hit an old lady in the nose with the butt of his gun while he was standing guard over a cash delivery because she wouldn't back off or did that happen in the UK?

    Maybe Zimbabwe? Didn't happen here....


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    #59
    deadwood
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Maybe Zimbabwe? Didn't happen here....
    It bduddy did.


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    #60
    Gary ITR
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Maybe Zimbabwe? Didn't happen here....

    It was discussed on newstalk last year, not sure if it was here or the north


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    macplaxton
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    On a motorway, the CIT van is obliged, by law, to remain in the left lane (as they generally exceed the 3500kg limit - yellow and green stripes to the side, red and orange stripes at the rear).

    Are you sure?

    I would have said it was obliged not to use the outside lane of a motorway (the lane nearest the centre median - which could be lane 2,3,4) unless the stretch had a limit of below 80km/h.

    So in the case of a 2 lane piece of motorway, correct. In the rare instances of 3 and 4 lane stretches (and those with 80km/h or less speed limits) incorrect. ;)

    (Unless of course the CIT is obliged for other reasons?)


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