Cash In Transit Convoys..

LoanShark

HI,
If your driving along a road and you end up behind one of those cash in transit convoys which normally consists of an army jeep,cash van,army jeep and cop car.. Are you allowed to pass them out?
I know that they don't like having cars in the middle of the convoy, But Could you be done for passing out the cop car if he is driving along at an average speed..?

Holsten

I've passed them out loads of times.

Now getting in the middle of the convoy... well, I'd say they wouldn't like that one bit.

Run_to_da_hills

I have blasted past these guys enough times on motorbikes .

Can't see anything wrong if there is a dotted line, clear road ahead, enough space in between the convoy to move into in the case of an emergency and of course you are within reason of the speed limit.

Poccington

There's no problem with overtaking a CIT Convoy.

Sitting in the middle of one is a problem though.

cormac_byrne

Even if you exceeded the speed limit in passing the convoy, the Garda is hardly going to chase you as he would have to leave the convoy that he is supposed to be escorting.

I did once 'accidentally' insert my ex army Series II Land Rover into a convoy, but wouldn't do it with any other vehicle as it would just look silly

Tipsy Mac

I've overtaken and I've been in the middle of them, hard to avoid when in heavy traffic, no way am I letting 5 or 6 vehicles out at a roundabout to keep their convoy together, if they want to go in formation like the Red Arrows they should close all roads on their route

Seth Brundle

Poccington wrote: »

There's no problem with overtaking a CIT Convoy.

Sitting in the middle of one is a problem though.

Especially if your heater is broken and you and your passengers wear balaclavas to keep warm!

Anan1

cormac_byrne wrote: »

Even if you exceeded the speed limit in passing the convoy, the Garda is hardly going to chase you as he would have to leave the convoy that he is supposed to be escorting.

+1

Gran Hermano

towel401 wrote: »

a CIT convoy as in a convoy of souped up skangermobiles?

No, a convoy of skangermobiles is a CLIT convoy (well what else would you call several cars full of dopey cu*ts )

Back OT, I've seen the usual CIT convoy on the M50 on several occasions totally broken up with private cars between all the vehicles in the
convoy - what else can they expect in rush hour traffic with people merging.

TheDriver

Don't forget the winch on the front just in case you need it for................mountain rescue or something..................

Wishbone Ash

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Back OT, I've seen the usual CIT convoy on the M50 on several occasions totally broken up with private cars between all the vehicles in the

On a motorway, the CIT van is obliged, by law, to remain in the left lane (as they generally exceed the 3500kg limit - yellow and green stripes to the side, red and orange stripes at the rear).

Berty

I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.

He never even flinches. The Garda passenger has been asleep and reading the newspaper on occassions.

Usually the same car. Around Munster and North Cork it was always a Laguna Garda car but more often than not its a Focus Saloon

Anan1

quirke_folder wrote: »

I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.

Honestly, how old are you?
1.) The Garda driver doesn't care about you, he's on escort duty.
2.) Garda cars have radios.

Berty

Anan1 wrote: »

Honestly, how old are you?
1.) The Garda driver doesn't care about you, he's on escort duty.
2.) Garda cars have radios.

How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

kikel

I was stuck behind a Cash in transit escort before. 15 cars stuck behind and excort going 45mph. Pissed me off big time. Started making a move on each car over 20 miles. Not one car would give way. The were all sheep afraid to make any move. Got up behind the escort and they all pulled into the hard shoulder. Off I went by the hole lot of them without a bother. Feckin sheep

kikel

quirke_folder wrote: »

How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

Any Garda sees you driving dangerously will change frequency and get someone to take action. Since you were never caught maybe you were driving safely.

Cmar-Ireland

quirke_folder wrote: »

I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.

He never even flinches. The Garda passenger has been asleep and reading the newspaper on occassions.

Usually the same car. Around Munster and North Cork it was always a Laguna Garda car but more often than not its a Focus Saloon

quirke_folder wrote: »

How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

Jesus :rolleyes:, grow up will ya...

Anan1

quirke_folder wrote: »

I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.

quirke_folder wrote: »

How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

Are you old enough to make up your mind which it is?:D

Rovi

Back in ye olde days (the 1980s) when we could safely move a herd of cows across the N7, we once finished up with the cash van trapped in the middle of the herd for a few minutes.
We used to have to walk the cows about 100 meters up the road from one gate to the other, and somehow the front army jeep wound up stopped on the road out ahead all by itself, the cash van and second army jeep were in the middle of the cows (moving at cow walking speed), and the Garda car brought up the rear, alongside the man who was bringing up the rear of the herd.
It was a glorious sunny Summer's day, and the two Gardai were in shirtsleeves with the windows of the car wound down.
The lad in the driving seat says to the man herding the cows: "That's a fine herd of cows, would you sell a few?"
The man doing the herding pointed at the marooned cash van with his stick, and said: "Open up the back of that yoke, and you can have the whole fecking lot of them."
He reported that the two Gardai were still laughing as they disappeared into the distance once they got clear of the cows.

Honey-ec

kikel wrote: »

I was stuck behind a Cash in transit escort before. 15 cars stuck behind and excort going 45mph. Pissed me off big time. Started making a move on each car over 20 miles. Not one car would give way. The were all sheep afraid to make any move. Got up behind the escort and they all pulled into the hard shoulder. Off I went by the hole lot of them without a bother. Feckin sheep

People in this country just freeze when they see a squad car. If they're doing the speed limit, they'll slow down to 20kmh below it. If it's on a dual carriageway and the Gardai are below the limit in the left lane, people still won't pass them.

I couldn't tell you the number of times I've been behind someone who has stood on the brakes when they saw an oncoming squad car at the head of a CIT convoy.

Esel

quirke_folder wrote: »

The Garda passenger has been asleep and reading the newspaper on occasions.

That's one of the skills they learn in Templemore. They can also write out a summons while asleep.

It BeeMee

quirke_folder wrote: »

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

So a Garda not on traffic duty can't do you for traffic offences?
Wow, never knew that :rolleyes:

Or do you mean he hasn't his cap on when he's in the squad car?

Berty

It BeeMee wrote: »

So a Garda not on traffic duty can't do you for traffic offences?
Wow, never knew that :rolleyes:

Or do you mean he hasn't his cap on when he's in the squad car?

I SAID so they dont care. For example 3 nights ago on a scanner a garda car driving along the Dublin road called for a traffic corps car to deal with cars queuing for Petrol as they were spilling out on the road.

Why didnt that garda deal with it? Because its not what they were tasked to do and/or couldnt care less?

Colm R

kikel wrote: »

I was stuck behind a Cash in transit escort before. 15 cars stuck behind and excort going 45mph. Pissed me off big time. Started making a move on each car over 20 miles. Not one car would give way. The were all sheep afraid to make any move. Got up behind the escort and they all pulled into the hard shoulder. Off I went by the hole lot of them without a bother. Feckin sheep

Brings about an intersting point. It pisses me off if you are driving on the motorway and a Garda car shows up and everyone slows down.

Garda car might be travelling on the left lane at 100km/h and everyone sees fit to slow down to their speed. Why? You're breaking no law.

S.I.R

LoanShark wrote: »

HI,
If your driving along a road and you end up behind one of those cash in transit convoys which normally consists of an army jeep,cash van,army jeep and cop car.. Are you allowed to pass them out?
I know that they don't like having cars in the middle of the convoy, But Could you be done for passing out the cop car if he is driving along at an average speed..?

was in a car when we done it on the east link road...


got the stare of death from the army boys....


Hate to have some 6'4 18 stone waster from the part timers try and kill me with styre AUG... would be a shame...

pawrick

Poccington wrote: »

There's no problem with overtaking a CIT Convoy.

Sitting in the middle of one is a problem though.

Agree - got stuck behind one which was parked at a bank in the middle of Athlone creating a bottleneck - went to pass them out when i got the chancebut it was just as the lead vehicles pulled out (no indicators), doesy guy bringing up the tail didn't notice and i managed to get my corsa stuck in the convoy - yer man started shouting at me i ignored him wtf could i do in a traffic jam at that point? I gave him room to get by me as soon as I could as it did look stupid with my little corsa.

PaddyFagan

Poccington wrote: »

Sitting in the middle of one is a problem though.

That's one to be careful of alright - my old man got serious grief over doing this may years ago. They raided the house:o, just to make sure he wasn't scouting them out for a robbery....

Paddy

Poccington

S.I.R wrote: »

was in a car when we done it on the east link road...


got the stare of death from the army boys....


Hate to have some 6'4 18 stone waster from the part timers try and kill me with styre AUG... would be a shame...

Firstly, it's Steyr.

Secondly, no part timers do CIT's.

Poccington

pawrick wrote: »

Agree - got stuck behind one which was parked at a bank in the middle of Athlone creating a bottleneck - went to pass them out when i got the chancebut it was just as the lead vehicles pulled out (no indicators), doesy guy bringing up the tail didn't notice and i managed to get my corsa stuck in the convoy - yer man started shouting at me i ignored him wtf could i do in a traffic jam at that point? I gave him room to get by me as soon as I could as it did look stupid with my little corsa.

The driver shouldn't have shouted at ya.

Most lads realise there's not much ya can do when civilians get stuck in the convoy in towns with bad traffic, out on a motorway though.... It's the single most annoying thing ever.

BrianD3

I don't recall ever coming up behind a CIT convoy. However I have passed Irish Explosives convoys several times. The Garda car is always too close to the truck to get in between them safely so you have to take the full convoy in one move.

Sometimes it is a marked car, sometimes unmarked. When marked I laugh at all the nervous wrecks who refuse to pass on a dual carriageway/m-way when the convoy is doing 50 mph

When it's an unmarked car idiots are obviously completely unaware of the Garda presence. One day I saw someone overtake an unmarked + two truck convoy over hatch markings and on a bend. Gardai didn't appear to do anything (not that I'd expect them to just abandon their escort duties) but possibly his reg was radioed in.

Berty

Many years ago the Irish army were drafted to Shannon Airport for the landing of the US Armys' first illegal flight because of the thousands of protestors heading to the airport.

I along with many other motorists did not move for the "wannabee" tanks that came up the single lane carraigeway behind us. They had to sit behind us. It was mark of protest on our part as we were on our way to work in the Ind Est.

Around 10 of us were pulled over down the street and questioned as to why we did not pull over for the Army. I requested to konw the legality of a tank doing more than 60 mph with no flashing lights or siren and how I am supposed to know to get out of its way.

I was told to clear off and get to work.

You think getting caught in a convoy of securicor is bad. Imagine my bad luck to get caught in a funeral procession between the hearse and the two stretchs.

L1011

quirke_folder wrote: »

How old I am is none of your god damn business. Im old enough to have a driving license.

They are working on a different frequency for that matter and are not on Traffic duty so dont care.

I know the Garda does not care about me, thats why I do not slow down.

Your posts have the quality of a petulant 17 year old who's just got their learners permit and thinks they're indestructable / above the law.

The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

Some day you'll get stopped for this. That day you'll be done for dangerous driving for it, just because. Have fun.

towel401

MYOB wrote: »

The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

they using TETRA over here now or a different system?

Berty

MYOB wrote: »

Your posts have the quality of a petulant 17 year old who's just got their learners permit and thinks they're indestructable / above the law.

The new Garda radio system, when fully deployed, will not have any idea of 'frequency' - it's trunked digital radio. Also, they're all capable of contacting base.

Some day you'll get stopped for this. That day you'll be done for dangerous driving for it, just because. Have fun.

Thank you & Your Welcome

L1011

towel401 wrote: »

they using TETRA over here now or a different system?

Belive so.

Cmar-Ireland

BrianD3 wrote: »

One day I saw someone overtake an unmarked + two truck convoy over hatch markings and on a bend. Gardai didn't appear to do anything (not that I'd expect them to just abandon their escort duties) but possibly his reg was radioed in.

Wonder if it was this fella :rolleyes:

quirke_folder wrote: »

I have passed the convoy many times on the Ennis Bypass at around 130kph because Im trying to piss off the garda driver because he cannot give chase.

towel401

i doubt the garda driver actually gets pissed off.. lol

Wishbone Ash

A bit off topic but I was on the M1 northbound a few months back and spotted an unusual convoy. A blacked out Merc S600 with two Range Rovers in front and two behind, also with blacked out windows. What made it particularly unusual was that they were travelling in incredibly close formation and at about 100kph. There was no way any other vehicle could have come between them.

Hotwheels

I always stay behind for a bit! just in case something falls out €€€€

Darragh29

quirke_folder wrote: »

Many years ago the Irish army were drafted to Shannon Airport for the landing of the US Armys' first illegal flight because of the thousands of protestors heading to the airport.

I along with many other motorists did not move for the "wannabee" tanks that came up the single lane carraigeway behind us. They had to sit behind us. It was mark of protest on our part as we were on our way to work in the Ind Est.

Around 10 of us were pulled over down the street and questioned as to why we did not pull over for the Army. I requested to konw the legality of a tank doing more than 60 mph with no flashing lights or siren and how I am supposed to know to get out of its way.

I was told to clear off and get to work.

You think getting caught in a convoy of securicor is bad. Imagine my bad luck to get caught in a funeral procession between the hearse and the two stretchs.

I did cash in transit convoys once when I was in the army. Military have no jurisdiction unless martial law has been declared. You don't have to answer or entertain an officer or an NCO, unless martial law has been declared. They have the right to fire if their mission is under theat, which would require them to come under attack or armed fire, but they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...

Gary ITR

S.I.R wrote: »

Hate to have some 6'4 18 stone waster from the part timers try and kill me with styre AUG... would be a shame...

Be good for boards though.. the amount of senseless posts in motors would drop by 96.8%

TheNog

towel401 wrote: »

they using TETRA over here now or a different system?

The company Tetra Ireland are rolling out Tetra countrywide hopefully within the next 2 years but it has been used in a pilot programme in North Dublin for the past 7-8 years. Traffic Corp in Dublin are also using Tetra.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

A bit off topic but I was on the M1 northbound a few months back and spotted an unusual convoy. A blacked out Merc S600 with two Range Rovers in front and two behind, also with blacked out windows. What made it particularly unusual was that they were travelling in incredibly close formation and at about 100kph. There was no way any other vehicle could have come between them.

Quite possible these were members of the ERU. I have heard those jeeps are bomb proof :eek:

Victor

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

On a motorway, the CIT van is obliged, by law, to remain in the left lane (as they generally exceed the 3500kg limit - yellow and green stripes to the side, red and orange stripes at the rear).

Isn't it that they can't use the right hand lane (unless the speed limit is less than 80km/h)?

Wishbone Ash

Victor wrote: »

Isn't it that they can't use the right hand lane (unless the speed limit is less than 80km/h)?

Yes, I should have been more specific.

Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

The Nog?

Poccington

Darragh29 wrote: »

I did cash in transit convoys once when I was in the army. Military have no jurisdiction unless martial law has been declared. You don't have to answer or entertain an officer or an NCO, unless martial law has been declared. They have the right to fire if their mission is under theat, which would require them to come under attack or armed fire, but they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...

Of course we don't interact with civilians, that's why the Garda are there.

Slidey

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Yes, I should have been more specific.

Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

The Nog?

They are not exempt from speedlimiter or tachograph laws in the Doe test, I do know that.

On a side note, a twin wheel sprinter CIT van has a payload of about 300kg before it is over weight!

Latchy

Nobody ever tried it when i was in the back of those 4 x 4 land rovers.....ah memories

parsi

Darragh29 wrote: »

Ibut they have no jurisdiction to direct or question civilians...

Probably wouldn't hear the answer anyway........................

TheNog

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Yes, I should have been more specific.

Just wondering - if a vehicle is being escorted by the Gardai, does that vehicle then become exempt from the standard road traffic regulations?

The Nog?

I dont know for sure but common sense tells me that the vehicle being escorted must abide by the rules of the road same as any Garda patrol car driver driving in normal circumstances. I know this made me laugh as well. Many Garda drivers are brutal drivers and break the law regularly without any type of emergency.

AFAIK there is nothing in the Road Traffic laws that specifically states the vehicle being escorted is exempt. Cash in Transit or Explosive escorts are not deemed urgent enough to need a high speed escort but high security prisoners are.

I remember my dad telling me in the 1980's of the IRA prisoners being escorted from Portlaoise to the Four Courts were high speed escorts. The actual prisoner van would travel at 70-80mph with the Traffic Corp escort bikes doing 100+mph. On one escort at around Newlands X a mule was stopping traffic for the escort when he was hit by a car. The escort didn't stop to see if he was okay.

Darragh29

parsi wrote: »

Probably wouldn't hear the answer anyway........................

You might laugh... I had a situation like this years ago, our security detail (not a cash escort), but we were on a exercise that was well armed, the lead Land Rover crashed into a civilian vehicle, a milk truck of all vehicles.

Darragh29

TheNog wrote: »

I dont know for sure but common sense tells me that the vehicle being escorted must abide by the rules of the road same as any Garda patrol car driver driving in normal circumstances. I know this made me laugh as well. Many Garda drivers are brutal drivers and break the law regularly without any type of emergency.

AFAIK there is nothing in the Road Traffic laws that specifically states the vehicle being escorted is exempt. Cash in Transit or Explosive escorts are not deemed urgent enough to need a high speed escort but high security prisoners are.

I remember my dad telling me in the 1980's of the IRA prisoners being escorted from Portlaoise to the Four Courts were high speed escorts. The actual prisoner van would travel at 70-80mph with the Traffic Corp escort bikes doing 100+mph. On one escort at around Newlands X a mule was stopping traffic for the escort when he was hit by a car. The escort didn't stop to see if he was okay.

Why you you think that military vehicles drive with their headlamps on and with unique number plates that fall outside of the RTA???

A Garda cannot legally stop a military vehicle, no matter what the circumstances...