FF Voters - Please apologise here.....

Terry

Why? Because people are idiots. Simple as that.

BluntGuy

Terry wrote: »

Why? Because people are idiots. Simple as that.

True.

They just don't know it yet!

Btw... 'the oul wan' WILL STILL VOTE FF...

I bet you anything they're part of the 'hypocrite brigade' that complains constantly about the government, but votes them back in anyway...

Ulysses Gaze

In the running of a business, the highest position I would award someone like him is middle management, as a buffer to keep all the other Dunnes stores suit wearing, meeting obsessed, flow chart drones away from the people who would and could actually run the company.

What the hell would Ahern be, the stocktaker?

Btw... 'the oul wan' WILL STILL VOTE FF...

Yep..Plus ca change?

gurramok

BluntGuy wrote: »

True.

They just don't know it yet!

Btw... 'the oul wan' WILL STILL VOTE FF...

I bet you anything they're part of the 'hypocrite brigade' that complains constantly about the government, but votes them back in anyway...

Very true. They are likely to be the ones who most need the medical card(we know that now) and then put up with the sh1tty health service getting MRSA etc.
You get what you deserve is certainly correct in the pensioner age group.

On a positive note, lets hope this momentum by the pensioners will turn into a proper campaign to fix the health service, maybe i'm dreaming

Dudess

So did any FF voter apologise...? :pac:

gurramok

Bertie Ahern is reported to have fractured his leg tonight, sincerely doubt he had a 7hr wait in the Mater, so he has nothing to apologise for

Fozzie Bear

Headline from the front of day's Irish Indo "THE GREAT RETREAT"

I beg to differ! They are mearly advancing in reverse!

robtri

Like it or not, the COUNTRY voted them in, to make the decessions....
bitch and moan all you like, whine about how unfair this is, tell us all about how the politicians are on gravy boat rides out for themselves....
WE as a whole put them in there, WE voted as a majority to have them in power, now we have to pay for our mistakes, tough Sh*T.....

When it comes to the next election, how many people from this thread who are giving out are going to stand up and be counted, and I don't mean just going to vote, I mean get campaigning and getting votes for people they want in power....

mind you maybe a lot of these posters should run for election, they seem to know how to run the country better than anybody else....

Dyr

Fianna Fail must be p***ing themselves laughing, everyones focussing on the poor ould age pensioners and ignoring all the other stuff they snuck in. its like they were caught smuggling drugs and were just cautioned for tax and insurance and then sent on their way. :rolleyes:

earlyevening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

Here's one man who is really (not) sorry.

Ulysses Gaze

WE voted as a majority to have them in power,

41% is not a majority.

Run_to_da_hills

Bambi wrote: »

Fianna Fail must be p***ing themselves laughing, everyones focussing on the poor ould age pensioners and ignoring all the other stuff they snuck in. its like they were caught smuggling drugs and were just cautioned for tax and insurance and then sent on their way. :rolleyes:

Its called being fleeced by decoy.

Ulysses Gaze

Fianna Fail must be p***ing themselves laughing, everyones focussing on the poor ould age pensioners and ignoring all the other stuff they snuck in. its like they were caught smuggling drugs and were just cautioned for tax and insurance and then sent on their way.

Its called being fleeced by decoy.

Well, the good news is that some proactive Irish citizens are putting together a legal challenge to the Builder Bailout on the grounds that it is in breach of EU State Funding regulations.

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14785

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14814


Looks like FF's budget plans to help their mates is going to be eviscerated........

jaycen

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

41% is not a majority.

It is here, what counrty are you talking about?

41% to 27% to 10% sure looks like a majority yo me. :rolleyes:

Ulysses Gaze

A Majority is over 50% of the vote for one party which would mean FF would waltz into power themselves without a need for a coalition.

jaycen

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A Majority is over 50% of the vote for one party which would mean FF would waltz into power themselves without a need for a coalition.

That's an over-all majority, a majority is achieved through combining a party's votes with another to achieve a greater voting share than another.
Do you think we should just go on with general election after general election until we have a party with over 50%?
We'd be in permanent limbo waiting for that day.

Personally I believe we shouldn't have coalition governments, too many cooks (and the greens would never get power )

The single party with the most votes rules - simple but unworkable.

robtri

jaycen wrote: »

It is here, what counrty are you talking about?

41% to 27% to 10% sure looks like a majority yo me. :rolleyes:

Yep those figures look like a majority to me....

javaboy

jaycen wrote:

Personally I believe we shouldn't have coalition governments, too many cooks (and the greens would never get power )

jaycen wrote: »

Do you think we should just go on with general election after general election until we have a party with over 50%?
We'd be in permanent limbo waiting for that day.

Maybe people would like a two horse race like in the USA?

humanji

javaboy wrote: »

Maybe people would like a two horse race like in the USA?

I'd like an actual race. Cowen and Kenny in a steeple chase, or some sort of death sport or something. In that way only those who really wanted it would get into government, and while they feck up the country, we can watch the re-runs on tv. Everyone's happy.

javaboy

humanji wrote: »

I'd like an actual race. Cowen and Kenny in a steeple chase, or some sort of death sport or something. In that way only those who really wanted it would get into government, and while they feck up the country, we can watch the re-runs on tv. Everyone's happy.

Something like this?

Raiser

humanji wrote: »

I'd like an actual race. Cowen and Kenny in a steeple chase, or some sort of death sport or something. In that way only those who really wanted it would get into government, and while they feck up the country, we can watch the re-runs on tv. Everyone's happy.

Bare-knuckle boxing in a pit filled with 1000 litres of Angel Delight - why add dignity and decorum at this point???

javaboy

Raiser wrote: »

Bare-knuckle boxing in a pit filled with 1000 litres of Angel Delight - why add dignity and decorum at this point???

No I preferred the steeplechase idea. Too much chance of Biffo winning a boxing match.

earlyevening

I hope the old dears enjoyed using their free travel passes to go on their day out to Kildare Street this morning.
They should have sent the water cannon and the dogs out to clear up the illegal gathering.

Notorious

BluntGuy wrote: »

An absolutely rubbish reason to keep the same low-grade bunch of mediocre tossers in government.

Honestly... asking some voters to even consider the other options is like asking a mule to wash your car using a pack of staples. It just isn't going happen...

How can you knock the alternative government till you've tried it? It's like saying, 'ah sure... I'll always shop in Tesco... I won't EVER check out Dunnes because they "might" be more expensive'...

Sorry I don't have the same political stance as you..

Though I would put money on it that FG would get more votes if Enda wasn't the big cheese.

BluntGuy

Notorious wrote: »

Sorry I don't have the same political stance as you..

Though I would put money on it that FG would get more votes if Enda wasn't the big cheese.

I wasn't so much your political stance, but more for the fact that you'd keep the others in just to keep Enda out of government. He's not amazing, but honestly, the country isn't going to collapse if he gets into government.

I agree though that Bruton certainly would pack a bigger punch then Kenny...

heyjude

Did anyone notice the very high proportion of the elderly on the radio and TV about the medical cards issue, that said "I've been a Fianna Fail voter my whole life, but never again" or words to that effect ?

Maybe they literally got the government that they deserved.

I remember seeing some opinion poll at the time of the last general election that broke down party support by age group and Fianna Fail were most popular among the over 55s. So maybe we've had the elderly voters to thank for ten years of Fianna Fail and what goes around comes around.

Run_to_da_hills

heyjude wrote: »

Did anyone notice the very high proportion of the elderly on the radio and TV about the medical cards issue, that said "I've been a Fianna Fail voter my whole life, but never again" or words to that effect ?

Maybe they literally got the government that they deserved.

I remember seeing some opinion poll at the time of the last general election that broke down party support by age group and Fianna Fail were most popular among the over 55s. So maybe we've had the elderly voters to thank for ten years of Fianna Fail and what goes around comes around.

It's called "biting the hand that feeds it".

javaboy

heyjude wrote: »

Did anyone notice the very high proportion of the elderly on the radio and TV about the medical cards issue, that said "I've been a Fianna Fail voter my whole life, but never again" or words to that effect ?

Maybe they literally got the government that they deserved.

Some of the wisest words I've heard on the issue.

Killaqueen!!!

All this sh1te about "yeah well, i doubt any other party could do better". Give them a fckin chance! If one government isn't working, you don't vote them in again and hope they'll do better you vote for somebody else. If they don't do a better job, then vote for somebody else next election. Simple as.

Biggins

Well just to make matters worse...
What has Fianna Fail just quietly done last night? Read below to find out! :mad::mad::mad:


The country is in turmoil. From the youths to the elderly, all are in uproar, the markets are crashing, job losses are growing, shops and businesses are struggling to survive, hospitals are way beyond critical condition, schools are under financed and over crammed.

What did Fianna Fail decide to do last night in the Dail? They have voted to take more time off!
Yes, thats right. They are talking more time of to go and relax.
Isn't that nice for them!

Be it one day or one week, more and more daily we learn that Finanna Fail are takling the piss out of us, Mr & Mrs Joe Public.

News source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/1023/breaking37.htm

IT IS ABSOLUTELY FRAKING DISGUSTING!!!
Its shows the absolute contempt these scumbags (and the Green party who's votes where also needed) have for the rest of us.

Roll on the next elections!

the butcher

voted green, sorry bout that.


and all the people that say that Fianna Fail should not be blamed for "international recession" are COMPLETE IDIOTS. you do not grasp economics in any shape or form nor do you know any of the awful awful policies pursued by FF (tax incentives for builders, etc)


will be voting FG/Lab next time. reading this gives me some hope for the opposition:
http://www.finegael.ie//PubUploads/Reco.pdf

THE Govt are about the balloon the national debt by 6.5 bloody billion to buy houses at inflated prices for the developers

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14827&start=0

how could ya vote for that

Run_to_da_hills

earlyevening wrote: »

I hope the old dears enjoyed using their free travel passes to go on their day out to Kildare Street this morning.
They should have sent the water cannon and the dogs out to clear up the illegal gathering.

Not to worry, they will have the pepper spray ready at their next illegal gathering. :pac:

BluntGuy

the butcher wrote: »

voted green, sorry bout that.

It's okay... you weren't to know they'd sacrifice their values so completely and utterly.

Hell, I expected nothing from them and they delivered even less...

Biggins

BluntGuy wrote: »

It's okay... you weren't to know they'd sacrifice their values so completely and utterly.

Hell, I expected nothing from them and they delivered even less...

I, like many, honestly hoped for something and got nothing that is less than a disgrace.
We (once green voters) feel doubly let down.

BluntGuy

Biggins wrote: »

I, like many, honestly hoped for something aqnd got nothing that is less than a disgrace.
We (once green voters) feel doubly let down.

I can understand...

The green party were once considered one of the few parties with any real principles.

Their term in government has really made them look like just another part of the centerist-party bloc.

Biggins

BluntGuy wrote: »

I can understand...

The green party were once considered one of the few parties with any real principles.

Their term in government has really made them look like just another part of the centerist-party bloc.

Sadly yes.
To a certain extent we all knew the background of Fianna Fail but to be thoroughly let down by something a lot of people put their final hope and faith in, is demoralising.

javaboy

BluntGuy wrote: »

The green party were once considered one of the few parties with any real principles.

Their term in government has really made them look like just another part of the centerist-party bloc.

In fairness to the Greens, they were always going to be a minor player in the government due to their small number of seats. They let their principles down when it came to Tara but realistically, I think we all know that was a condition of getting into government.

In their short time in power they have got some pretty radical green measures in. The way I see it they had a few choices:

• Stay in the opposition. Keep 100% of their principles but get nothing done.
• Join FF in government but stick 100% to their principles. FF would never have agreed and even if they did, the government would inevitably collapse.
• Compromise. Join FF in government and get as many green laws passed without upsetting the apple tart as Bertie would say.

The last one is the only way they were going to get anything done.

Another thing that amuses me is that people thought the Greens were some kind of harmless, pro-cycling, pro-recycling happy bunch who weren't really going to impact on our lives if they got in power. Apart from Sinn Fein (Labour don't really count any more) they are the only party with a one track ideology. I can't help but laugh at the people who voted for Greens and then were shocked to find them bringing in things like the incandescent lightbulb ban etc.

Raiser

javaboy wrote: »

<SNIP>Compromise. Join FF in government and get as many green laws passed without upsetting the apple tart as Bertie would say.</SNIP>

The problem here though is that this solution which was rabidly pursued by the Greens inevitably meant torching their credibility, perceived honesty and air of decency all in the name of pushing nonsense legislation that is ineffectual, meaningless and as irritating as it is idiotic.....

Notorious

Notorious wrote: »

I voted FF before, I'm not sorry and I will be voting them in again.

Anything to keep Enda Kenny out.

why?

Is it because he seems too nice? To weedy?

I.e hes not a crook?

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I certainly wouldn't defend FF. I think they've wasted so much on so little. I just dont see an alternative in FG. I really don't. Yes there may be some change, but the same back and forth gobsheenism would be there. If nothing else then I would like to see them get the chance to prove me wrong. I won't hold my breath for that change though. I suspect a blue whale would have difficulty holding his breath for that long.

dont really see much in FG either to be honest but the way i see it - keep voting governments out until the political parties improve

no job security for any of these clowns

javaboy

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

All this sh1te about "yeah well, i doubt any other party could do better". Give them a fckin chance! If one government isn't working, you don't vote them in again and hope they'll do better you vote for somebody else. If they don't do a better job, then vote for somebody else next election. Simple as.

+1. Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Raiser

Did ye see Cowen was in China yesterday?

How long do you think he will adeptly duel with them, dazzling all present by adeptly navigating the local economic chicanery and magnificently debating the finer points of every possible detail of Golbal imports and exports in relaxed excellence........before finally gaining their trust and approval by offering to add poison to our baby formula and to coat our children's toys with lead paint ???

Joker wrote:

A driver is stuck in a major traffic jam just outside Dublin on the M50 motorway.

Nothing is moving.

Suddenly a Garda knocks on the window. The driver rolls down his window and asks, 'What's going on?'

'Pensioners' have kidnapped Brian Cowen, Brian Lenihan & Mary Harney, and a bunch of Bankers.
They're asking for a €30 million ransom, otherwise they're going to douse them with petrol and set them on fire.
We're going from car to car taking up a collection.'

The driver asks, 'How much is everyone giving, on average?'

'About a gallon.'

Biggins

Raiser wrote: »

Did ye see Cowen was in China yesterday?

How long do you think he will adeptly duel with them, dazzling all present by adeptly navigating the local economic chicanery and magnificently debating the finer points of every possible detail of Golbal imports and exports in relaxed excellence........before finally gaining their trust and approval by offering to add poison to our baby formula and to coat our children's toys with lead paint ???

Well he better get his backside back to Ireland quick 'cos the stock market are crashing right now! Pre-market trading halted after massive 550 point drop in Dow Futures in the last hour and selling in some markets had to be stopped. Where's Cowan and Co? In China and/or off on a voted for longer bank holiday. Fraking CRAZY!!!

prendy

Biggins wrote: »

Well he better get his backside back to Ireland quick 'cos the stock market are crashing right now! Pre-market trading halted after massive 550 point drop in Dow Futures in the last hour and selling in some markets had to be stopped. Where's Cowan and Co? In China and/or off on a voted for longer bank holiday. Fraking CRAZY!!!

he's in China to generate trade ties which will be vital in kick starting the economy.

and what exactly do you propose he should do to halt the slide in GLOBAL stock prices?

Biggins

prendy wrote: »

he's in China to generate trade ties which will be vital in kick starting the economy.

and what exactly do you propose he should do to halt the slide in GLOBAL stock prices?

I expected this response. Does it take the total head of the country to attend meals, meetings and festivals to sign contracts?

The Irish pensions are taking a hammering right now because Irish company shares have dropped big time. Thats your mam and das pension that they were hoping to rely on in the near future.
Where is he instead of being at home controlling, commanding, inquiring about alternative banking procedures?

China - and don't tell me he's working flat out to help Ireland.
I would have thought that was what all the quangos, government agencies, government departments and extreme well paid business professionals are supposed to do, and we have hundreds, if not thousands of them in this country right now!

I take your point, I do but he should be at home steering the country, not off on a self-imposed longer bank-holiday chatting around dinner tables and tucking in.

...not to forget that he has left while the whole country is in uproar over the medical cards, the 30 plus reductions in the school system, etc... What does he do? He leaves the island behind him at the most critical point so far in his career EVER while everyone else is fighting!
Its a disgrace.

Raiser

prendy wrote: »

he's in China to generate trade ties which will be vital in kick starting the economy.

and what exactly do you propose he should do to halt the slide in GLOBAL stock prices?

And what exactly do you propose he should do to generate trade ties which will be vital in kick starting the economy?

- Please, please, don't forget that this is Brian Cowen, a bookie would give you better odds on the Mulhall Sisters carrying out the Worlds first successful head transplant

ninty9er

Biggins wrote: »

I expected this response. Does it take the total head of the country to attend meals, meetings and festivals to sign contracts?

Apparently so, considering Merkel, Sarkosy et al were in China too....and getting along swimmingly with our Brian was Angela by the look of things on camera.

FFS what exactly do you want him to do? Re-mortgage Leinster House to buy shares in the top 100 Irish PLCs?

:rolleyes:

Raiser

ninty9er wrote:

and getting along swimmingly with our Brian was Angela by the look of things on camera

Indeed Ninty9er my favorite FF Spawn , the camera never lies and unfortunately it looks like Biffo took both baits......:(

http://www.ftd.de/asset/Image/2008/04/13/merkel.jpg

ninty9er

Raiser wrote: »

Indeed Ninty9er my favorite FF Spawn , the camera never lies and unfortunately it looks like Biffo took both baits......:(

http://www.ftd.de/asset/Image/2008/04/13/merkel.jpg

:pac::pac: