The price of Cigarettes.

Ass

This is getting a tad bit fucking ridiculous. They're thinking of raising the price of a pack of 20 Cigarettes to over €8.00. I bet none of the people calling for these increased prices are smokers. They all deserve a good stab in the face. There's nothing worse than a righteous non-smoker. They're worse than the vegetarians.

dsmythy

This is nothing to do with smokers' health. It's all about raising money.

Bob the Builder

I'm a non-smoker, but i think it's fcuking stupid that the lobby groups against smoking are asking for the price to be increased. thats just stupid.

shenanigans1982

Ass Face wrote: »

There's nothing worse than a righteous non-smoker. They're worse than the vegetarians.

The "woe is me/ I'll do whatever the f*ck I like" smoker is worse than Vegetarians and righteous non smokers combined.

Ass

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

The "woe is me/ I'll do whatever the f*ck I like" smoker is worse than Vegetarians and righteous non smokers combined.

I think you mean, the "piss off I don't want to hear your bollox, my smoking is nothing to do with you" smoker.

Ass Face

Ass Face wrote: »

I think you mean, the "piss off I don't want to hear your bollox, my smoking is nothing to do with you" smoker.

Exactly as long as you have to pay the ppropriat money for them.;)

Wurly

I smoke and I agree with this increase.

Hopefully not for much longer btw. I hate the f*ckin things. Nearly finished the Allen Carr book.

Smokers cost the health service a bomb. We should be paying through the nose for these filthy things. And i'm not sitting on my perch when I say this - my dad has lung cancer. He has cost the health service lots of money for a disease that was avoidable.

If putting up the price of smokes stops even a few young people from ever starting, then it's worth it.

Look, lets face it. It's drug addiction. It's unhealthy and disgusting. It kills people - I would not wish my poor dad's ordeal on anyone.

Tax them to the hilt, I say. I for one can't afford to smoke for much longer. Even if I wanted to.

I know the money raised is just another stealth tax, but still.

Dave!

Keep it up lads, ye could save us from this recession yet!

Ass

Tri wrote: »

Smokers cost the health service a bomb. We should be paying through the nose for these filthy things. And i'm not sitting on my perch when I say this - my dad has lung cancer. He has cost the health service lots of money for a disease that was avoidable.

That's horse shit. The amount smokers pay in tax each year on them far out weighs the amount being spent on smokers with cancer.

DarkJager

I'm a non smoker now (well a week off em), but I hate nothin more than "lobby groups" pushing for price increases. Its all well and good saying "put another 2 quid onto the price, more people will definitely give them up". It will also be worth saying when there is a ****ing massive black market flood of cigarettes in Ireland, and the government start losing massive revenue off the sales of them.

shenanigans1982

Ass Face wrote: »

I think you mean, the "piss off I don't want to hear your bollox, my smoking is nothing to do with you" smoker.

An ass by any other name......

Wurly

Ass Face wrote: »

That's horse shit. The amount smokers pay in tax each year on them far out weighs the amount being spent on smokers with cancer.

You're missing my point. I'm saying they are a burden on the health service and so they should be taxed.

I didn't compare the tax returns to the cost of cancer treatment.

Ass Face

Ass Face wrote: »

That's horse shit. The amount smokers pay in tax each year on them far out weighs the amount being spent on smokers with cancer.

Are you actually serious?Can you back that up?

Wurly

DarkJager wrote: »

I'm a non smoker now (well a week off em), but I hate nothin more than "lobby groups" pushing for price increases. Its all well and good saying "put another 2 quid onto the price, more people will definitely give them up". It will also be worth saying when there is a ****ing massive black market flood of cigarettes in Ireland, and the government start losing massive revenue off the sales of them.

Actually, that's quite true.

I just have a gripe with the things for obvious reasons.

I just wish they never existed.

cooperguy

Ass Face wrote: »

That's horse shit. The amount smokers pay in tax each year on them far out weighs the amount being spent on smokers with cancer.

Now thats the horse shít. Have you any idea how expensive that health care is! Keep in mind there is more than just Lung cancer caused by smoking.

Kintarō Hattori

Ass Face wrote: »

This is getting a tad bit fucking ridiculous. They're thinking of raising the price of a pack of 20 Cigarettes to over €8.00. I bet none of the people calling for these increased prices are smokers. They all deserve a good stab in the face. There's nothing worse than a righteous non-smoker. They're worse than the vegetarians.

No-one ever deserves that.

Ass Face wrote: »

I think you mean, the "piss off I don't want to hear your bollox, my smoking is nothing to do with you" smoker.

You're a really lovely person. Does your smoking make you anxious or something?

Pride Fighter

Great news, anyone who smokes deserves to be punched in the face.

TheDude2008

do you smokers know that even if they increase the price to 8 euro that still wont cover the health costs araising from smoking more like it costs 30 euro a packet, so why the **** should the tax payer pay for smokers added cost to the health system. Hipefully they will increase the price of fags a extra 2 euro

Wurly

TheDude2008 wrote: »

do you smokers know that even if they increase the price to 8 euro that still wont cover the health costs araising from smoking more like it costs 30 euro a packet, so why the **** should the tax payer pay for smokers added cost to the health system. Hipefully they will increase the price of fags a extra 2 euro

My sentiments exactly. I feel bad saying that cos of my poor dad. But it's true.

robinph

Yay. I can now up the price that I sell on my duty free purchases for even more.

Mimikyu

This post has been deleted.

BoB_BoT

Ass Face wrote: »

That's horse shit. The amount smokers pay in tax each year on them far out weighs the amount being spent on smokers with cancer.

what about the effect on non smokers, inhaling second hand smoke, care to calculate the possible risk to them and subsequent treatment required.

Ok this has nothing to do with cancer, but still a cost paid for by tax, how about the amount of money spent on cleaning and maintaining streets and bins, the pollution generated by smoking them, the fire hazards, etc.. If you want to work it all in and compare it to the tax intake from ciggs, I'd love to know.

now in fairness the same can be said for booze, strain on the health service, liver etc..., only difference being drinking isn't stigmatised in the same way. Yes drinking is bad, but the vast majority of the population that can legally do so, do. In time, it could find itself in the same position as smoking.

also I don't agree with increasing the cost, only a cash cow being over milked.

DarkJager

There is no need to keep hiking the price. Its not going to do anything, apart from maybe stop some kids starting them in the first place (which is a positive). Some people smoke because they choose to and some simply because they got hooked and can't get off. It isn't fair to keep punishing the wallets of smokers, its not going to make them stop. It may stop the kids, but thats being reactive rather than pro-active.

A new anti -smoking advertising series is needed. Forget about the idiotic warnings and graphic pictures - they are a novelty there to be looked at once, and forever desensitised to afterwards. Forget pushing potato salad out of a fake lung - it gets laughed at. They need to take an adult approach to it. Why not try explaining the benefits of quitting smoking instead of always shouting about the different ways you'll die from them?

If I could say one thing that made me stop, its the money I'm saving. I smoked 30+ a day at one stage, which in current prices, adds up to about 100 quid a week. That 100 euro I would have spent on fags, is now put away for a holiday early next year and it feels good. I feel way better being off them and its scary to think how bad my health actually was. Its a waste of time and cash to smoke, and you unfortunately only realise that either when its too late or you break the habit yourself...

KnifeWRENCH

Solitaryman666 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Actually, Ass Face started the thread so smokers could bash the non-smoking brigade responsible for the price hikes.

I don't smoke and I don't care who here smokes or not. I'm not the one buying fags so I honestly couldn't give a damn if they were 80 cent, 8 Euro or 80 Euro a pack.

themont85

DarkJager wrote: »

There is no need to keep hiking the price. Its not going to do anything, apart from maybe stop some kids starting them in the first place (which is a positive)

Are you not contradicting yourself?

I agree about a new anti smoking campaign. I actually think one aimed at showing young people how easy it is to slip into the habit. Starts by having one with a drink just to try, no harm done they think. Then they associate it with drinking and can't drink without them and the downward spiral begins. Most young people think they'll never be addicted and its just a 'social' thing to do.

jaffa20

jaysus,over 8euro a packet is taking the piss! I'm poor as it is. Of to belgium with me:D

marcsignal

Ass Face wrote: »

This is getting a tad bit fucking ridiculous. They're thinking of raising the price of a pack of 20 Cigarettes to over €8.00.

fcuk the prolife non smokers ass face, just ignore them. Befriend someone from eastern europe and tell them your problem, they'll be more than happy to provide a solution to your predicament.

robinph

@ DarkJager: You went on for ages trying to tell us that it wouldn't make any difference if they increased the price. The you end by telling us that the main reason that you quit yourself was because of the price?

I must have missed something in your train of thought there, but it didn't make sense to me.

Mimikyu

This post has been deleted.

drunkmonkey

nevf wrote: »

I'm a non-smoker, but i think it's fcuking stupid that the lobby groups against smoking are asking for the price to be increased. thats just stupid.

those lobby group should be pushing for free stop smoking methods for smokers....maybe we shoud start lobbying the lobby for a few euro for patches and pills.....it's about time the smokers got something back......feckin ludricous tax on a plant.....:mad:

Kiith

Maybe they can use the extra money to clean up after you filthy ****ers. Stop throwing the butts of your cigarettes on the ground, and use a bin for gods sake.

Capt'n Midnight

the worst part is the gradual increase that addicts can get used to
a big 100% increase in one go every few years would sort out a lot of those unsure whether to give up or not, and the addicts will pay up no matter what

the gradual rise is about revenue not about helping giving up for that a big step up is needed

DarkJager

themont85 wrote: »

Are you not contradicting yourself?

I agree about a new anti smoking campaign. I actually think one aimed at showing young people how easy it is to slip into the habit. Starts by having one with a drink just to try, no harm done they think. Then they associate it with drinking and can't drink without them and the downward spiral begins. Most young people think they'll never be addicted and its just a 'social' thing to do.

Not really contradicting myself, just think I may have worded it wrong . What I was saying was, the price increase (if it does happen) will probably only result in fewer children taking up the habit -which can be seen as a positive or meh depending on your morals. Its not going to help or assist in any way, the problem of the current smokers who can't kick the habit.

themont85

Solitaryman666 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I've always found that smokers get extremely defensive about it, 'its my choice' blah blah blah and 'sure i'm paying for the health service in taxes'.

DarkJager

Kiith wrote: »

Maybe they can use the extra money to clean up after you filthy ****ers. Stop throwing the butts of your cigarettes on the ground, and use a bin for gods sake.

Once again this is a fine example of what the smoking lobby suggestions create. You wanted cafes and pubs smoke free? Fine, now its on the ****in streets instead.

patrickc

Ass Face wrote: »

This is getting a tad bit fucking ridiculous. They're thinking of raising the price of a pack of 20 Cigarettes to over €8.00. I bet none of the people calling for these increased prices are smokers. They all deserve a good stab in the face. There's nothing worse than a righteous non-smoker. They're worse than the vegetarians.

thats why you buy the smuggled ones.. feck the govt and there mad taxes

Ass

patrickc wrote: »

feck the govt

Amen.

marcsignal

Solitaryman666 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

my point exactly Solitaryman666, put it this way, if a thief steals your money (excessive tax on cigs), and you steal it back (buy your cigs elsewhere), does that make you a thief too?

Kiith

DarkJager wrote: »

Once again this is a fine example of what the smoking lobby suggestions create. You wanted cafes and pubs smoke free? Fine, now its on the ****in streets instead.

I have no problems with people smoking outside. But is it so hard to use the bins that are about 5 feet away from you?

shenanigans1982

themont85 wrote: »

I've always found that smokers get extremely defensive about it, 'its my choice' blah blah blah and 'sure i'm paying for the health service in taxes'.

But non smokers are the inconsiderate ones, who dare they complain about being forced to partake in a smokers habit.

DarkJager wrote: »

Once again this is a fine example of what the smoking lobby suggestions create. You wanted cafes and pubs smoke free? Fine, now its on the ****in streets instead.

Then ban it in public places like they did with drinking, smoke at home and inflict Cancer on your kids.

themont85

DarkJager wrote: »

Not really contradicting myself, just think I may have worded it wrong . What I was saying was, the price increase (if it does happen) will probably only result in fewer children taking up the habit -which can be seen as a positive or meh depending on your morals. Its not going to help or assist in any way, the problem of the current smokers who can't kick the habit.

Ye i know what your were trying to say and i'd agree to an extent as regards current smokers. But at this stage they should really be targeting teenagers at about 16 or 17. All the anti-smoking stuff we heard was when we were in 6th class and it was highly unlikely(in most cases) that we'd be starting then. The message is lost I think to a certain extent at 16 or so when a lot of people begin to drink.

KnifeWRENCH

Solitaryman666 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I've read some of those threads too, and yeah I have seen evidence of that. But this thread is different: look at the very first post:

I bet none of the people calling for these increased prices are smokers. They all deserve a good stab in the face. There's nothing worse than a righteous non-smoker.

I would certainly call that "having a go".

Solitaryman666 wrote:

I don't think the Government want us to really stop smoking because of the amount of Revenue it generates.

I guess it depends on how much do smokers cost the health system vs. how much revenue they generate. Which ever figure is higher will influence whether they want you to give up or not.
They certainly don't care about the health of every individual (and tbh, neither do I! :pac:)

drunkmonkey

tax on smoking is a tax on God!

themont85

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

But non smokers are the inconsiderate ones, who dare they complain about being forced to partake in a smokers habit.

Sorry I don't get what your trying to say?

patrickc

Kiith wrote: »

Maybe they can use the extra money to clean up after you filthy ****ers. Stop throwing the butts of your cigarettes on the ground, and use a bin for gods sake.

Kiith wrote: »

I have no problems with people smoking outside. But is it so hard to use the bins that are about 5 feet away from you?

in dublin theres plenty of bins and ill always hold my cig till i find one, but in carlow theres feck all bins, and sumtimes a drain has to do

shenanigans1982

themont85 wrote: »

Sorry I don't get what your trying to say?

Sarcasm....I agree with what you were saying smokers do tend to get defensive as soon as anything negative is mentioned about smoking and their instat response is that non smokers are on their high horse. Truth is they have every right to be on a high horse if they chose to be, they were not stupid enough to get addicted in the first place.

drunkmonkey

themont85 wrote: »

Sorry I don't get what your trying to say?

I think he's trying to say if you don't like his fire then don't come around!

DarkJager

robinph wrote: »

@ DarkJager: You went on for ages trying to tell us that it wouldn't make any difference if they increased the price. The you end by telling us that the main reason that you quit yourself was because of the price?

I must have missed something in your train of thought there, but it didn't make sense to me.

Just saw this now. Once again apologies! I'm quite tired so some of my posts aren't as coherent as I'd like them to be

What I was (trying) to say, is that in my experience, I've only realised now being off them how much money I'm actually saving. My actualv reason for quitting was really down to my health and the way I could see the effect they were having on me. I smoked for nearly 10 years! And getting up every morning trying to catch your breath and coughing for 10 minutes is not very nice I can tell you! Suppose I spooked myself into stopping after I started reading about emphysema (sp?).

Google that. Why on earth would you want to inflict something so hideous upon yourself for no reason at all? Most smokers only hear about the lung and throat cancer, but when you really look into it, some of the less publicised stuff that can happen you is really shocking.

themont85

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Sarcasm....I agree with what you were saying smokers do tend to get defensive as soon as anything negative is mentioned about smoking and their instat response is that non smokers are on their high horse. Truth is they have every right to be on a high horse if they chose to be, they were not stupid enough to get addicted in the first place.

Nah man i wasn't trying to be sarcastic i just didn't get what you said.

Kinetic^

I heard smoking gives people teh aids!

shenanigans1982

themont85 wrote: »

Nah man i wasn't trying to be sarcastic i just didn't get what you said.

I was being sarcastic....either it doesn't come across well in writing or it's too late for me to make a decent effort at it. :pac: