Nights out.

m@cc@

Whenever your on a night out and say walking down a street, do you ever have pangs of fear if you happen to see a group a lads walking by. Increasingly I've found myself being nervous just walking down the street, especially when you hear reports of perfectly decent people being left brain-damaged or even killed, just for others amusement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064453/Three-arrested-murder-Barclays-boss-beaten-death-tried-defend-homeless-Lithuanian-man.html


Stories like this only fuel my fear.

brianthebard

No because I'm big.

chamlis

m@cc@ wrote: »

Whenever your on a night out and say walking down a street, do you ever have pangs of fear if you happen to see a group a lads walking by. Increasingly I've found myself being nervous just walking down the street, especially when you hear reports of perfectly decent people being left brain-damaged or even killed, just for others amusement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064453/Three-arrested-murder-Barclays-boss-beaten-death-tried-defend-homeless-Lithuanian-man.html


Stories like this only fuel my fear.

Pretty much, yeah. But where I live trouble finds you; you don't have to go looking for it, unfortunately.

xzanti

Lads no... Girls YES... Nothing chills my blood more than "Heeor youngone, have ye got a smoke" Trust me lads, girls can be just as vicous.. Only in packs of course.. :rolleyes:

Darragh29

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me. If I'm out walking and see a crowd of scum coming towards me, I'd always go into alert mode. If I ever got jumped on and felt that I was going to be making the headlines the next day as the latest victim of this behaviour, I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head.

I know this is completely unacceptable in the view of most people, but think about it, I'm a respectable 30 something Dublin bloke, if I get jumped on by some scumbag out of his head on coke, what can I do to survive??? This guys on coke so he already has an advantage over me, his mates might be involved, if I end up in a situation where I could have some scumbag jumping up and down on my head for a laugh, it's not open to me to call the Gardai, I'm pot committed to that situation and I can't rely on anyone else to get me out of it???

brianthebard

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me. If I'm out walking and see a crowd of scum coming towards me, I'd always go into alert mode. If I ever got jumped on and felt that I was going to be making the headlines the next day as the latest victim of this behaviour, I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head.

I know this is completely unacceptable in the view of most people, but think about it, I'm a respectable 30 something Dublin bloke, if I get jumped on by some scumbag out of his head on coke, what can I do to survive??? This guys on coke so he already has an advantage over me, his mates might be involved, if I end up in a situation where I could have some scumbag jumping up and down on my head for a laugh, it's not open to me to call the Gardai, I'm pot committed to that situation and I can't rely on anyone else to get me out of it???

So long as you realise how bad it would look for you to be carrying a concealed weapon?

m@cc@

It gets to the stage now, where if you do see someone getting done in, you'd think twice about getting involved as pretty soon, it could be yourself that could be on the ground being jumped on.

m@cc@

brianthebard wrote: »

So long as you realise how bad it would look for you to be carrying a concealed weapon?

Was thinking that myself. Plus pretty quickly that weapon could be used against you.

Rowley Birkin QC

I wouldnt call myself paranoid but yeah I am generally on alert when coming home from a night.

Had to pull two lads off a girl on Dame St. last year while a crowd of onlookers watched her getting pummeled and on Monday night I saw a lad getting bottled at 8:30pm on Capel St. by a bum for absolutely no reason.

Reading the Daily Mail isn't a great move either btw, sensationalist drivel.

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Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me. If I'm out walking and see a crowd of scum coming towards me, I'd always go into alert mode. If I ever got jumped on and felt that I was going to be making the headlines the next day as the latest victim of this behaviour, I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head.

I know this is completely unacceptable in the view of most people, but think about it, I'm a respectable 30 something Dublin bloke, if I get jumped on by some scumbag out of his head on coke, what can I do to survive??? This guys on coke so he already has an advantage over me, his mates might be involved, if I end up in a situation where I could have some scumbag jumping up and down on my head for a laugh, it's not open to me to call the Gardai, I'm pot committed to that situation and I can't rely on anyone else to get me out of it???

I think the only advantages they would have over you are probably numbers and a plain ole feral killer instinct. I doubt coke has that much of an advantage.

Honey-ec

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me.

Thus potentially turning a pushy-shovey scrap into a murder. Very intelligent approach.

shenanigans1982

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me. If I'm out walking and see a crowd of scum coming towards me, I'd always go into alert mode. If I ever got jumped on and felt that I was going to be making the headlines the next day as the latest victim of this behaviour, I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head.

I know this is completely unacceptable in the view of most people, but think about it, I'm a respectable 30 something Dublin bloke, if I get jumped on by some scumbag out of his head on coke, what can I do to survive??? This guys on coke so he already has an advantage over me, his mates might be involved, if I end up in a situation where I could have some scumbag jumping up and down on my head for a laugh, it's not open to me to call the Gardai, I'm pot committed to that situation and I can't rely on anyone else to get me out of it???

Unfortunately the screwdriver could be used against you, and if you retaliate with it then you are going to be worse off than the scum who initiated the whole fight.

It may be sad but the best defense is often to run especially if you are the drunk to make a decent effort of standing up to them. But at least give the main guy a dig to the head and when his mates check on him run...you won't feel as bad.

Dinter

Darragh29 wrote: »

If I ever got jumped on and felt that I was going to be making the headlines the next day as the latest victim of this behaviour, I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head.

The only problem is if you did kill someone with it I would not like to be in your position legally. By the time it came to court that little filthbag would have morphed into an angel who's grieving mother would tell the court he was only asking you the time when you went off. Plus his mates might back that up too.

Tbh it seems that these days with the justice system we seem to have, that your only definite course of action to avoid prosecution is to simply take your medicine and learn to live in a wheelchair with the associated learning difficulties these scrotes gave you for "looking at them the wrong way".

KnifeWRENCH

The case in that story is very sad but tbh it was pretty reckless of him to take on 10 scumbags. Obviously his intentions were good but he didn't stand a chance.

I don't go on nights out much but if I do I always expect the worst and stay as alert as possible. Because of college I'm living in Cork city atm (I'm originally from in a rural area of North Cork) and generally the city is quite safe. I don't know would I feel safe living in other cities though.

Stimpyone

Self defense for dorks FTW

Dinter

square_igloo wrote: »

The case in that story is very sad but tbh it was pretty reckless of him to take on 10 scumbags. Obviously his intentions were good but he didn't stand a chance.

Actually I think he simply told them to leave it. I don't think he got involved in dragging them off. He probably thought he'd be safe enough in a crowd but obviously the jackals picked him out.

Tbh they should bring back the gibbet.

SV

Nope, never.

haven't had a word said to me in about 4 or 5 years.

m@cc@

square_igloo wrote: »

The case in that story is very sad but tbh it was pretty reckless of him to take on 10 scumbags. Obviously his intentions were good but he didn't stand a chance.

In simplier times it might have been thought of as courageous.

bigkev49

bigkev49 wrote: »

Had to pull two lads off....

O RLY?

bigkev49 wrote: »

Reading the Daily Mail isn't a great move either btw, sensationalist drivel

Couldn't agree more. See below.

Darragh29 wrote: »

..... I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me.........I'd always go into alert mode............. I'd put that screwdriver into the side of someone's head........if I get jumped on by some scumbag out of his head on coke, what can I do to survive. This guys on coke so he already has an advantage over me

Seriously, if you're not taking the pi$$ with this post then I feel very worried for you. Are you that far removed from reality that you think there are gangs of blokes with super-human-coke-strength randomly stomping people's faces into footpaths, just because they can?

Honestly, your post reads like a 1950's anti-cannabis senationalist police propaganda leaflet.

Also, "respectable 30 something Dublin blokes" don't carry screwdrivers in their pockets.

SoWatchaWant

m@cc@ wrote: »

Whenever your on a night out and say walking down a street, do you ever have pangs of fear if you happen to see a group a lads walking by. Increasingly I've found myself being nervous just walking down the street, especially when you hear reports of perfectly decent people being left brain-damaged or even killed, just for others amusement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064453/Three-arrested-murder-Barclays-boss-beaten-death-tried-defend-homeless-Lithuanian-man.html


Stories like this only fuel my fear.

There are ways, my friend. Mine is being able to run fast. Seriously. I was in a fight a while ago, which I won but I still had a swollen jaw. It's not worth it to fight. Looks are too important! Ask, or even look, at any ex-boxer.:)

Dinter

ClioV6 wrote: »

Nope, never.

haven't had a word said to me in about 4 or 5 years.

Well the lad in the story was a millionaire banker in his forties so I would think his days of street fighting were behind him for a few years too.

Still ended up dead.

KnifeWRENCH

m@cc@ wrote: »

In simplier times it might have been thought of as courageous.

Yes it was courageous. But where has that courage left him? Six feet under.

Heisenberg.

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Rowley Birkin QC

OP I see you are located in Utrecht. I spent a week in Holland in March with about 40 other people on a field trip from college.

Can honestly say I never felt as safe in any other country on nights out. We went on the lash in Amsterdam 5 of the nights and Rotterdam another night. Absolutely superb standards of policing there and they are highly visible on a Saturday night. Golf GTi squad cars are also very cool.

I had my doubts that I would be able take Dutch police seriously though :P

m@cc@

square_igloo wrote: »

Yes it was courageous. But where has that courage left him? Six feet under.

Hence, the point of the post.

capedcrustacian

as a girl, i do get frightened walkin through dublin alone, even during the day, a few weeks back, middle of the day walkin down abbey street, there was a junk ball stumblin all over the street and as groups walked past he said nothin so i figured i didn't have to cross to the other side away from him, but when i walked past, on my own, he said somethin, didn't hear what, so just kept walking, and he started shouting abuse at me and following me up the street shouting at me, a very kind lady came over to me and pretended she knew me and started talking to me and walked with me till the bum stopped following.
if that had happened at night time i dare not think how it may have ended

Orange69

Honey-ec wrote: »

Thus potentially turning a pushy-shovey scrap into a murder. Very intelligent approach.

Ya how dare you try and defend yourself against a scumbag :rolleyes:, they have every right to stomp on your head, you ought to be honored..

Imo a law abiding citizen should have the right to arm themselves.. Id prefer to go up against a gang of scum with a gun than nothing.. but alas its Ireland...

tribulus

Can't say I've been afraid or nervous walking down a street since I've been about twelve tbh.

Darragh29

brianthebard wrote: »

So long as you realise how bad it would look for you to be carrying a concealed weapon?

I wouldn't give an RA how it looks! It's not a concealed weapon, it's a tool of my particular trade.

m@cc@ wrote: »

It gets to the stage now, where if you do see someone getting done in, you'd think twice about getting involved as pretty soon, it could be yourself that could be on the ground being jumped on.

I went to the assistance of an elderly foreign taxi man outside a pub who a guy had just reached into the drivers window and taken the keys out of. The guy who took the keys was completely racist and was taunting your man with the keys. I went up to your man with the keys are tried to appeal to his better nature and get him to give me the keys. His reply was that the driver was "a fithy black bast*rd who shouldn't be allowed to drive a taxi in Ireland", "them cu*ts are taking all our jobs, etc". I realised I was dealing with a total scumbag and walked away.

The cops were called but before they came, two bouncers got involved and wanted to know who had this guys keys. The guy who had the keys then slunk into the crowd and I wasn't happy thath this scumbag had managed to find refuge in a crowd of decent people, while he was happy to walk around the car taunting the driver with the keys before the bouncers came along.

A bouncer came up to me and asked me did I have the keys of this taxi, I said I didn't have them and I pointed out the guy who did. He handed back the keys, the Gardai were on their way, the bouncers head back to their door and next thing I'm on the ground with three guys jumping up and down on top of me. Ended up in A & E in Tallaght with a broken nose and generally in a heap.

What I'm saying is that don't be so quick to judge a crowd full of people who will not get involved, because the stories you read about people ending up dead on their back on a street, seem to be the very people who went to someone's assistance. I know if I had stayed out of that particular incident that I got involved in, I would have had one less trip to A & E.

Oh yeah, the funny part was, when the Gardai came, they arrested your man and charged him, I made a statement, about a month later I get a call from the Garda who took the statement advising me to drop the matter immediately because they had intelligence that your man who they arrested was connected to a cocaine dealer. They were worried that if I turned up in court, my details would be read into the record and my house would be torched.

Honey-ec wrote: »

Thus potentially turning a pushy-shovey scrap into a murder. Very intelligent approach.

That's not been my experience as you can read above, I was lucky I didn't end up in the fu*king morgue.

m@cc@

bigkev49 wrote: »

OP I see you are located in Utrecht. I spent a week in Holland in March with about 40 other people on a field trip from college.

Can honestly say I never felt as safe in any other country on nights out. We went on the lash in Amsterdam 5 of the nights and Rotterdam another night. Absolutely superb standards of policing there and they are highly visible on a Saturday night.

You're spot on. Over here I never feel any threat of anything kicking off and I've never seen anyone even in a heated argument on the street. Guess they're just to 'chilled out' for any agro.

Orange69

Orange69 wrote: »

Id prefer to go up against a gang of scum with a gun than nothing.

Would you prefer to go up against a gang of gun-carrying scumbags, though?

Turd Ferguson

I'm a Vampire Ninja Dragon.

I am afraid of nobody.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Darragh29 wrote: »

I know this is completely unacceptable in the view of most people

I for one find internet tough guy syndrome pretty unacceptable.

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I'm a Vampire Ninja Dragon.
I am afraid of nobody.

Not even Vikings?

Darragh29

Deleted User wrote: »

O RLY?

Seriously, if you're not taking the pi$$ with this post then I feel very worried for you. Are you that far removed from reality that you think there are gangs of blokes with super-human-coke-strength randomly stomping people's faces into footpaths, just because they can?

Honestly, your post reads like a 1950's anti-cannabis senationalist police propaganda leaflet.

Not taking the piss at all. Every single pub you go into on a Saturday night, there are people doing coke, maybe your one of them and that's why you can't understand the gravity of the problem.

Deleted User wrote: »

Also, "respectable 30 something Dublin blokes" don't carry screwdrivers in their pockets.

This one does and if I ever got jumped on again, I'd put one cu*t into the morgue and take my chances with the law...

Honey-ec

Darragh29 wrote: »

IThat's not been my experience as you can read above, I was lucky I didn't end up in the fu*king morgue.

Fair enough, you've been on the receiving end of an assault and you feel better carrying the screwdriver since.

However, I just cannot see the logic in carrying a weapon for "self defence". This is why knife crime has gotten so out of hand in the UK. One scumbag starts carrying a knife, so another guy gets one for "self defence", then the next guy gets an even bigger knife than them so he feels better, and so on and so forth, ad infinitum - where does it stop???

SoWatchaWant

The Scientist wrote: »

Sure, you've to be on guard all the time..
Its strange how a situation can completely change from normal to hostile in a matter of seconds even by mistake.

I remember a few years back i was walking along the Western Road in Cork on my way to the bus stop.
This group of 4/5 lads walked past me in the opposite direction.
At the same time, i was glancing over my shoulder to check on the whereabouts of the No.8A and just as these lads pass me, my bus starts approaching in the distance.
So there i am, sprinting to get to the bus stop while checking over my shoulder every 5 seconds. On my 3rd or 4th look back i spot the 5 lads all stopped and just glaring at me running off.
They obviously thought i threw something at them and bolted after me.
I doubt i was going to get a chance to explain, so i kept on pegging it.
Luckily as an 18yr old my climbing skills were still adequate so i hopped over a side gate to UCC and took off up the Grounds.
Fortunately for me the lads didn't want to get their 'going out' clothes dirty so they stopped outside the gate.

I Contemplated the idea of doing a Braveheart and showing them my Arse cheeks, but quickly dismissed it.
Needless to say, i missed my bus and was covered in shit but still i managed to evade an unnessesary hiding.

Good man, that's the sensible thing to do:)

tribulus

Honey-ec wrote: »

and so on and so forth, ad infinitum - where does it stop???

With a spoon?

m@cc@

tribulus wrote: »

With a spoon?

Then you end up with 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

i71jskz5xu42pb

tribulus wrote: »

With a spoon?

Nah, once people start carrying spoons someone is going to up the ante and start carrying sporks. Then it's spifes. Then splayds, god forbid. A veritable cutlery arms race.

m@cc@ wrote: »

Then you end up with 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Go away and think of what just you did.

Darragh29

Honey-ec wrote: »

Fair enough, you've been on the receiving end of an assault and you feel better carrying the screwdriver since.

However, I just cannot see the logic in carrying a weapon for "self defence". This is why knife crime has gotten so out of hand in the UK. One scumbag starts carrying a knife, so another guy gets one for "self defence", then the next guy gets an even bigger knife than them so he feels better, and so on and so forth, ad infinitum - where does it stop???

Well what is the other option??? You end up dealing with a scumbag with no means of defending yourself???

KnifeWRENCH

tribulus wrote: »

With a spoon?

That depends on how many scumbags know how to play Knifey-Spoony.

Honey-ec

tribulus wrote: »

With a spoon?

Nope. A board with a nail so big it will destroy us all!

brianthebard

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't give an RA how it looks! It's not a concealed weapon, it's a tool of my particular trade.

Except when you carry it on the street with you as a scumbag stabbing tool it becomes a concealed weapon. :rolleyes: Look I don't care if you want to have something that could get you brought to court for murder if you got involved in a fight, or at the very least in trouble with a guard if you were ever, I don't know, stopped on the street for being drunk and asked to empty your pockets. If you have to carry a screwdriver to feel safe then that's your issue not mine. Try not to poke your eye out with it.

m@cc@

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I'm a mechanic and I bring a screwdriver everywhere with me.

If the cops stop you on the street, make sure you know the drill.

Darragh29

m@cc@ wrote: »

If the cops stop you on the street, make sure you know the drill.

I have my trade card in my wallet, nothing unusual about a mechanic having a screwdriver on him, if I checked my other pockets I'd probably find a spark plug, some wire and a 13 spanner!

Galvasean

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
On one hand there's the whole escalation hypothesis. If you carry a screwdriver they'll start carrying knives etc.
But bad news: they already carry knives. You putting your screwdriver away for good wont stop them carrying knives. There's no treaty we can sign.

shenanigans1982

Darragh29 wrote: »

I wouldn't give an RA how it looks! It's not a concealed weapon, it's a tool of my particular trade.

"Well guard you would be surprised how many people come up to you in a niteclub on a Saturday night an offer you a nixer....sure I normally wear my overalls too."

i71jskz5xu42pb

A spanner that misses the obvious joke?

m@cc@

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have my trade card in my wallet, nothing unusual about a mechanic having a screwdriver on him, if I checked my other pockets I'd probably find a spark plug, some wire and a 13 spanner!

It what a poor attempt at a workman pun, sorry.

Honey-ec

m@cc@ wrote: »

It what a poor attempt at a workman pun, sorry.

Don't worry, everyone else got it...

Darragh29

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

"Well guard you would be surprised how many people come up to you in a niteclub on a Saturday night an offer you a nixer....sure I normally wear my overalls too."

My clubbing days are over mate! I haven't been stopped by a Garda and searched ever, don't see it starting now and me nearly an auld lad!