Thoughts on the Borris Fair

stick-dan

As i am sure most of you here are aware every year a small village in county carlow, Borris, hosts a fair on the 15th of August. The fair which has become a popular event for a large population of the travelling community leaves the normally extremely clean village of Borris in an absolute shambles of a state. Every year the village is extremely littered, businesses close down for the day, pubs go into lock-down state and the a mini environmental crisis unfolds.

Now all being said the town does get extremely littered and the travelling community do seem to take the majority of the stick for it and perhaps rightly so but surely some of the blame must be placed elsewhere for allowing the fair to happen. There is already a notable presence in surrounding townlands of irregular amounts of travelling community families particularly in Bagenalstown which saw the arrival of about 50 caravans onto the old royal oak meats site.

What are people's thoughts on the fair?Should it be stopped? If not, why? If yes, Why and How?Is it Fair the council have to pay men to operate a minimum of one digger and half a dozen workers to clear the streets of the rubbish left from the aftermath of the fair?

ShayK1

should the tullow show be cancelled? and the tinahely show, and Electric picnic, and ****** and slane and any other public event...?!!?!?!?

face it, people are parasites. We move in on territory, destroy it and move on.
You'll find the same thing going on anywhere you get a large gathering of people.

sucks for boris that the fair happens on the main street, mayhaps if they used a large field like the Tullow and Tinahely shows it would be less noticable to the general public.

Don1

The legitimate traders are grand but the fcúking knackers should be shot on sight!!!

stick-dan

ShayK1 wrote: »

should the tullow show be cancelled? and the tinahely show, and Electric picnic, and ****** and slane and any other public event...?!!?!?!?

face it, people are parasites. We move in on territory, destroy it and move on.
You'll find the same thing going on anywhere you get a large gathering of people.

sucks for boris that the fair happens on the main street, mayhaps if they used a large field like the Tullow and Tinahely shows it would be less noticable to the general public.

No they shouldn't be cancelled of course, but that is why at the end of my original post i said , IDEAS!!

i think putting it in a field somewhere would be a great idea.

ShayK1

stick-dan wrote: »

i think putting it in a field somewhere would be a great idea.

Thanks :-)

Sully

Don1; Hi. Bye.

The use of the term "knacker" or any other similar word to describe members of the travelling community is not welcome here. Please use more appropriate words when discussing them in future.

Many Thanks.

ShayK1

Sully wrote: »

Don1; Hi. Bye.

Jaysis Sully, bit harsh with the ban stick there?
Is he not supposed to get a warning and maybe a post edit first?
Then a 2nd offense would be a banning?

MsFifers

Eh - he is advocating murdering people???!

Sully

ShayK1 wrote: »

Jaysis Sully, bit harsh with the ban stick there?
Is he not supposed to get a warning and maybe a post edit first?
Then a 2nd offense would be a banning?

Usually, I do. In this case, no.

Why? Advocating violence and using a derogatory term to refer to members of the travelling community is two offences and that gets you an instant ban in my books.

Its only a week ban.

Any further issues, my Inbox awaits your PM

stick-dan

oh no, my bad, i shoudl never have started the thread i should have known it would end in controversy...

Sully

stick-dan wrote: »

oh no, my bad, i shoudl never have started the thread i should have known it would end in controversy...

No your fine. Its a genuine topic that has potential. Your always going to get eejits who make stupid remarks.

Trust me. this is nothing compared to whats beene happening in the Waterford forum

Carry on folks.

patrickc

it's a fair, it's bound to attract all sorts of people, rubbish etc is inevitable after it.

get the litter wardens out and on the spot fines, it'll be alot cleaner than last year then.

mosesgun

patrickc wrote: »

it's a fair, it's bound to attract all sorts of people, rubbish etc is inevitable after it.

get the litter wardens out and on the spot fines, it'll be alot cleaner than last year then.

Not a bad idea. However, you'd want some heavily armed litter wardens! Extracting on the spot fines at this fair would not be for the faint hearted, nor indeed for the sane. I live in Borris and would think the idea of moving it to a field close by would be a great idea. Failing that, they should limit it to the 15th only. This year the 15th is a Friday - no doubt they will arrive on Thursday and not leave until Sunday. If you saw the absolute disregard they have for the area and the state of the place when they're gone, you'd agree. Having said that, if you're in the market for a knock off garden strimmer, cheap DVD or used cowboy hat, you couldn't pick a better place.

MsFifers

Could a levy be imposed on anyone setting up their stall - and use what collected to fund the clean up?

You'd nearly need a roadblock for everyone going in though to collect it - could cause trouble in inself...

mosesgun

MsFifers wrote: »

Could a levy be imposed on anyone setting up their stall - and use what collected to fund the clean up?

You'd nearly need a roadblock for everyone going in though to collect it - could cause trouble in inself...

Charging for stalls is a good idea but can't see it working. Imagine the hassle collecting the money. I think the grounds of Borris House would make an ideal venue for the fair. They held a big Opera festival earlier in the summer so they're obviosuly all up for cultural integration! This could be a step too far for them though.

stick-dan

The litter warden wouldn't work, the particular nature of this fair and the people that it attracts would be far to an intimidating environment for a litter warden to operate in.

I think shay hit the nail on the head when he said relocate the fair to a field somewhere. It really isn't fair on the people from the village of borris.

I don't think that locating the fair in borris house would be a step back. This fair had a reputation for destroying the village of borris so i would not like to see it destroying such a pictureesque house.

I thought i heard that they tried to charge for stalls last year but they couldn't obtain the levies from the traders.Rumour maybe, i'm not sure.

Carpenter

mosesgun wrote: »

Not a bad idea. However, you'd want some heavily armed litter wardens! Extracting on the spot fines at this fair would not be for the faint hearted, nor indeed for the sane. I live in Borris and would think the idea of moving it to a field close by would be a great idea. Failing that, they should limit it to the 15th only. This year the 15th is a Friday - no doubt they will arrive on Thursday and not leave until Sunday. If you saw the absolute disregard they have for the area and the state of the place when they're gone, you'd agree. Having said that, if you're in the market for a knock off garden strimmer, cheap DVD or used cowboy hat, you couldn't pick a better place.

They could also have it in Daltons,Joyces,codys or the green drake as it is called now or how about a mile or 2 up the road in the hilltop LOL

stick-dan

How could you hold it in one of the pubs? Are you being witty or sarcastic. Its a big fair, a messy one but a fair none the less.

Carpenter

stick-dan wrote: »

How could you hold it in one of the pubs? Are you being witty or sarcastic. Its a big fair, a messy one but a fair none the less.

Yes I am joking Dan
But here is a few things to think about
Years ago it brought a lot off cash into Borris
Now it costs Borris a lot off cash and the locals make nothing in fact it costs 10,000 euro to clean up the mess after the Fair
I know as I am sure do you a lot off people around Kilcoltrim (Old people I might add) that are afraid to go into Borris on the 14th 15th and 16th
I enjoy a Pint on a Friday down there but this week all the pubs are closed on friday (what about the locals after a hard week working no beer friday for them).
So where is the enjoyment now gone are the days off the water pistol fights and getting chips from the van .
Ask yourself do you want it on

stick-dan

No i don't want it on imho.

I am an advocate of preserving traditional fairs and the like seeing as they are a tradition to certain communities but for the past few years the fair has overstepped the boundaries of heritage/tradition and transformed into a 2/3 day illegal dumping festival.

Now certainly there are legitimate traders at the fair who do their business and leave and all well and good to them but the majority of traders set up free stalls, bring bags of well tbh rubbish items of no commercial value, sit them on a stall for a few hours and then leave them behind as they pack up and leave.

I totally agree that the fair used to make a lot of money but i've seen Borris the days following the Fair the last two years and it is an absolute farce. For the past two years i beared witness to JCB's, which have to be privately hired pushing large mounds of rubbish into big piles down the street while a team of council workers brushing against a flow of liquid rubbish also. The sight of the cleanup is horrendous. The fact the fair is allowed to go ahead is atrocious although i don't know what the local community can do about it.

Testiment to the fair being unwanted bad news to the community of borris is the fact that the local drinking establishments do close around the days of the fair, which if you think about is further loss to the local economy, added on top to the cost of the cleanup.

So no in conclusion i don't want it on and i'm not from borris, i can't imagine what some of the locals must be thinking.

slayerfan

Have any of you every drove through Borris the morning after the fair?
The first time i saw it it looked like a Boeing 747 had fallen out of the sky and crashed in the town. I couldnt believe the volume of stuff left thrown on both sides of the street, the street in the town is quite long and it was completely covered. In 'The Independant' this morning, the travellers are saying they are 'disgusted' at the towns decision to close for business while the fair is on. The fact of the matter is that these people come to Borris, set up their stalls and then leave, with tonnes (I mean, rigid trucks and diggers going from 7am the following morning, all day to clear it up) of rubbish and so-called 'goods' lying on the street.
The comment about people wrecking every venue for concerts etc... doesnt compare to what happens in Borris. If the travellers wanted to have a fair game, when it comes to PR and their image as an ethnic group, they might put some thought into how leaving tonnes of **** lying around a town, for tax payers to clean up, affects their standing in the community. I suggest that for the laugh, go down to borris on the morning after the fair and see for yourselves why everyone in that town is sick of this happening year after year. As for the argument that the fair bring money to the town, thats total **** also, the business are closed for the duration of the fair, so the money might 'be in' the town, but it doesnt get spent in local shops, so that cleanup bill of 15000 quid is straight out of the council coffers.

ShayK1

That's a hellofa first post slayerfan, Welcome to boards.ie

Stark

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/village-goes-into-lockdown-days-before-traveller-festival-begins-1453682.html

Looks like Pavee Point are upset about people locking down the place. Of course the travellers' behaviour year on year is perfectly acceptable :rolleyes:

eddiehead

Stark wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/village-goes-into-lockdown-days-before-traveller-festival-begins-1453682.html

Looks like Pavee Point are upset about people locking down the place. Of course the travellers' behaviour year on year is perfectly acceptable :rolleyes:

They're having a laugh arent they? Stereotypes? That phrase implies that its simply a small percentage of travellers who are ruining it for the rest of them, vice versa id say.

eddiehead

ShayK1 wrote: »

That's a hellofa first post slayerfan, Welcome to boards.ie

**cough** Don1 alternate account **cough**

ShayK1

surely his ban is up by now. I must ask him.

slayerfan

i think they are havin a laugh. equality is a 2 way street and ****ting on the settled communities door step isnt going to help achieve it.that pavee point crowd want waking up. so does Green party, mrs. white, who cant call a spade a spade. she 'didnt know for sure who was doing the dumping' on the radio last year. nearly crashed the car laughing. why cant pavee point come down and make sure its cleaned up and organised properly? instead of whinging in the paper about inequality. if they made some effort, instead of making the place look like fukin lockerbie, people might have some time for them

KateF

Don1 wrote: »

The legitimate traders are grand but the fcúking knackers should be shot on sight!!!

Don, its the 'Annual Travellers' Fair' so.....if we shot them all on arrival, I don't think we'd have a problem!

Sully

Fair few people here sailing close to the wind with their comments. Iv already banned one person for stupid remarks and another ban will be issued shortly for the above comment.

May I remind everyone that racisist remarks or bashing groups is not permitted on Boards. I have now added it to the revised charter to make things even clearer.

Carry on.

testicle

KateF wrote: »

Don, its the 'Annual Travellers' Fair' so.....if we shot them all on arrival, I don't think we'd have a problem!

Never been to Puck Fair then?

To be honest, Borris's problem is it's close proximity in time to Puck, which finishes on the 12th every year. The nice travelling folk who live in carvans go straight from one to the other.

stick-dan

Right guys, infractions have been issued here already. Let's try not to publically bash the travelling community or any other community for that matter. Keep to constructive threads.

Cheers

HoneyButterfly

Sully wrote: »

May I remind everyone that racisist remarks or bashing groups is not permitted on Boards.

Didn't know the Travelling community were a different race?!?

Sully

HoneyButterfly wrote: »

Didn't know the Travelling community were a different race?!?

There not, but a lot of people think they are. I have to explain in such terms to those with, eh, less intelligence.

Carpenter

HoneyButterfly wrote: »

Didn't know the Travelling community were a different race?!?

LOL LOL

testicle

HoneyButterfly wrote: »

Didn't know the Travelling community were a different race?!?

Course they are. Have you seen how they live?

Sully

testicle; Your pushing your luck in this thread. If you step out of line, your ban will be longer simply because I have personally addressed you. Keep to the topic and less of the ****e. Questions about this? PM. No further off-topic ****e thanks.

eddiehead

This thread should be locked IMO, cant see anything positive coming out of it, nothing but an inevitable string of yellow cards and bans. I share the views of some of the above posters but boards isnt the place to air them, I know if I did id be serving a lifetime siteban.

racso1975

Actually i think it should be kept open will be interested to hear if the fair is any different then previous years heard mary white on the radio today saying they had skips organised and they had portaloo's in place....so maybe fingers crossed this will be a turn a round for the fair

eddiehead

racso1975 wrote: »

Actually i think it should be kept open will be interested to hear if the fair is any different then previous years heard mary white on the radio today saying they had skips organised and they had portaloo's in place....so maybe fingers crossed this will be a turn a round for the fair

:rolleyes:.......gotta admire the optimism I suppose

testicle

Portaloos ???

Do people usually go to the toilet in the street at this thing or what?

Sully

Regardless of what type of event it is, people should be allowed discuss it without a small group of narrow minded kids shouting abuse and spoiling it. Anybody who does, will be banned. Anybody who pushes their luck on purpose, will be banned for even longer.

Anyway... carry on..

foggy_lad

shut it down! we have been under siege here in rivercourt in Carlow for several weeks now as the council dragged their heels in removing approximately 20 caravans and the unsavoury people dwelling in them from where they had camped on the roadway!

not to mention the dogs and verbal abuse and illegal maneuvers of cars doing handbrake turns at night and then the whole lot of them using the river as a toilet and fires burning almost every night releasing toxic fumes from electrical cable they are extracting copper from!

almost every van has ladders on the roof and these are used for gaining access to building sites and derelict houses where copper is taken. it is a disgrace that this has not been stopped before now. overnight camping should be banned everywhere nationwide without a special permit.

i am not anti traveller and hate the use of derogotory terms in relation to anyone but breaking the law should not be tolerated in this way by police and councils who think it is easier and cheaper to ignore hard working people that have bought their own homes and are left to fend for themselves against an army of travellers

HoneyButterfly

testicle wrote: »

Portaloos ???

Do people usually go to the toilet in the street at this thing or what?

Yes. They do

Anyways, I think the thread should be closed down. Because Normal comments can even be interperated as 'racist' so its pretty pointless. The discussion is meant to be what you think of the Borris Fair, and unless you agree with it, what can you say thats not going to be taken up in the wrong way?!

Sully

Indeed the topic is on the Borris Fair and not about travellers. Lets stick simply to that.

HoneyButterfly

Sully wrote: »

Indeed the topic is on the Borris Fair and not about travellers. Lets stick simply to that.

Yes but....the Borris Fair is The Annual Travellers Fair...I'm not makin that up like, thats my point. How can you talk about the Borris Fair without talking about Travellers....my God this is pointless

Sully

HoneyButterfly wrote: »

Yes but....the Borris Fair is The Annual Travellers Fair...I'm not makin that up like, thats my point. How can you talk about the Borris Fair without talking about Travellers....my God this is pointless

Many ways. You don't have to talk specifically about travellers and start a big rant full of insults and derogatory terms. You can talk about how the event benefits/affects the town, the history behind it, what happens, etc.

Just because its an event for Travellers, does not mean it can not be discussed.

stick-dan

Right lads, Let's get this thread back on topic becasue as a lot of people have already said it is just going to lead into a petty dispute. If you read the original post by myself i did say what are your thoughts on the borris fair not on the people at it. I wanted to know what you thought about the way it affected the village of borris, and what were the possible solutions to this or alternatives that people could suggest. I never once asked what people's opinions were of the travelling community that would be present at the fair because i didn't want the thread to deteriorate into rash un-thought out or backed up comments about the travelling community which to be fair are an easy target for a large majority of the population.

Can we please head back on track please.:)

eddiehead

HoneyButterfly wrote: »

Yes. They do

Anyways, I think the thread should be closed down. Because Normal comments can even be interperated as 'racist' so its pretty pointless.

Nail on head IMO, this thread should be locked.

Sully, I know you have your duties as a mod but its unfair to label the critics around here as "narrow minded kids", these posters can only be accused of being naive about what they post on a public forum. I dont know if you live in Carlow, but Im pretty sure 99% of people I know from the county are narrow minded by your definition. I could give you a list of FACTS as long as your arm to justify the level of disdain felt towards the travelling community, but I wont, because I would be banned, and rightfully so. The ban would only be right because boards is not the place to discuss it, that however doesnt make peoples comments any less valid.
You say this thread is about discussing the Borris fair, then ask yourself why isnt there a thread on the Tullow Show which is on this weekend? This thread was started to see what people felt about the arrival of a large amount of travellers in a small country village. How do you or anybody else think anything other than racist or negative remarks can come from this thread?
Actually, I dont care if its locked or not, think ill just try steer clear of the auld racism.

eddiehead

stick-dan wrote: »

As i am sure most of you here are aware every year a small village in county carlow, Borris, hosts a fair on the 15th of August. The fair which has become a popular event for a large population of the travelling community leaves the normally extremely clean village of Borris in an absolute shambles of a state. Every year the village is extremely littered, businesses close down for the day, pubs go into lock-down state and the a mini environmental crisis unfolds.

Now all being said the town does get extremely littered and the travelling community do seem to take the majority of the stick for it and perhaps rightly so but surely some of the blame must be placed elsewhere for allowing the fair to happen. There is already a notable presence in surrounding townlands of irregular amounts of travelling community families particularly in Bagenalstown which saw the arrival of about 50 caravans onto the old royal oak meats site.

What are people's thoughts on the fair?Should it be stopped? If not, why? If yes, Why and How?Is it Fair the council have to pay men to operate a minimum of one digger and half a dozen workers to clear the streets of the rubbish left from the aftermath of the fair?

stick-dan wrote: »

Right lads, Let's get this thread back on topic becasue as a lot of people have already said it is just going to lead into a petty dispute. If you read the original post by myself i did say what are your thoughts on the borris fair not on the people at it. I wanted to know what you thought about the way it affected the village of borris, and what were the possible solutions to this or alternatives that people could suggest. I never once asked what people's opinions were of the travelling community that would be present at the fair because i didn't want the thread to deteriorate into rash un-thought out or backed up comments about the travelling community which to be fair are an easy target for a large majority of the population.

Can we please head back on track please.:)

Ah Dan....

Did you really expect that to happen?:rolleyes: Really?

Sully

As per Dans orders - stay on topic. Any further questions can be taken to either of us via PM. Any further off comment remarks will get you removed from the forum. Strict, but needed.

HoneyButterfly

eddiehead wrote: »

You say this thread is about discussing the Borris fair, then ask yourself why isnt there a thread on the Tullow Show which is on this weekend? This thread was started to see what people felt about the arrival of a large amount of travellers in a small country village. How do you or anybody else think anything other than racist or negative remarks can come from this thread?

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