A Discussion of the Rules (July 14th 2008)

Xavi6

+1 to the new rules. Let's see how it goes before the pitchforks come out.

MementoMori

[QUOTE=Xavi6;56565999 Let's see how it goes before the pitchforks come out.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense. utter nonsense. Roll out the pitchforks at the merest hint of a change I say. Immediate pitchforking for everyone. If this forum was run properly the pitchforks should have been unleashed months ago. Down with rational responses and up with pitchforks.:mad:

Jazzy

new stuff is grand except for not talking about matches in the superthread. i understand why it was done but it is annoying in a way.

PHB

It's important though too.
Aside from the multiple discussions problem, it leads to people posting in respective superthreads and the inevitable bitching about get out of my thread etc.

In terms of the matches, a bit of common sense is all that's needed here.

Realistically the situation will occur that every single United, Arsenal, and Liverpool game is going to probably get a thread of its own. Then some other games probably will, and the rest will go into the weekend thread.

Also as for sub-forums, it's likely that tagging is going to be brought in before the start of the season, so that should solve the problem of clutter a lot.

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Villain wrote: »

If you only have one thread a week for matches it will get far too messy,

I agree with this.

But the new rules should be given a chance before everyone starts naysaying.

There is MUCH more moderation needed, will more mods be added, or inactive mods removed and replaced?

Xavi6

+1 to the idea of a couple more mods. The guys (and gal) at the moment do a fantastic job and I have the utmost respect for the work they do but I think the load should be lightened a bit and distributed amongst a couple of others, especially with the new season on the horizon.

Looking at the soccer access requests forum this is probably going to be the forum's biggest year ever as regards members and there will be a lot to keep on top of for 24 hours of the day.

IrishMike

Xavi6 wrote: »

Looking at the soccer access requests forum this is probably going to be the forum's biggest year ever as regards members and there will be a lot to keep on top of for 24 hours of the day.

Due to the fact that you are in OZ Xavi are you throwing your hat into the ring for the graveyard shift?

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IrishMike wrote: »

Due to the fact that you are in OZ Xavi are you throwing your hat into the ring for the graveyard shift?

Rule #1 of becoming a Moderator : Never ASK to be a moderator.

Xavi6

IrishMike wrote: »

Due to the fact that you are in OZ Xavi are you throwing your hat into the ring for the graveyard shift?

Hadn't actually thought of it like that. And as Des said -

Des wrote: »

Rule #1 of becoming a Moderator : Never ASK to be a moderator.

There will be a lot of overnight posting come the season though, just like last year. GuanYin is on around then anyway so it could already be covered.

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Xavi6 wrote: »

Hadn't actually thought of it like that.

lol

Xavi6 wrote: »

GuanYin is on around then anyway so it could already be covered.

Yep, she'll have it covered alright, hard luck man, hard luck.

Me, on the other hand, has been banned from soccer, so won't have a chance of being a mod of it.

:(

Xavi6

Des wrote: »

lol

I'm happy just browsing at that hour.

Des wrote: »

Me, on the other hand, has been banned from soccer, so won't have a chance of being a mod of it.

:(

Same as, however aren't all bans in the past as of yesterday? Clean slate and all that. Great news seeing as I was on two strikes.

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Xavi6 wrote: »

Same as, however aren't all bans in the past as of yesterday? Clean slate and all that. Great news seeing as I was on two strikes.

Are they, linky.

Are perm-banned people back in?

Perm-banned, Kevin Keegan should have been Perm-banned.

pvt.joker

+1 great news, I think i was on 2 myself.


Lets go with the changes and give them a chance.

5starpool

I don't like these changes, but since I am hardly a regular contributor to this forum my opinion won't carry much weight. However, I think this is making the soccer forum a much harder place to navigate and use, and will just mean mods have to do far more work and give out petty warnings for someone who mentions something like 'great performance at the weekend there, good to see us play that well in a big game' in a superthread.

If match discussions are in seperate threads with several matches being talked about surely this is hardly going to seperate the headbutting that takes place between people who aren't mature enough to hold a proper conversation in the first place it seems, and whose actions have presumably largely contributed to these new ridiculously strict rules. If there is a Man U game and a Liverpool game being discussed in the same thread and someone (Rooney/Gerrard for example) dives or some other controversial thing then it would kick off more easily there between posters of the different teams, whereas I think than in the middle of a normal super thread a lot of that wouldn't happen as a lot of fans of the other teams might not read it (I know I never read the Man U thread for example).

It seems like a lot of extra work for works sake and too many petty infractions will be given out I think. Forums are for users first and foremost, and as long as a system is in place where discussion can take place without much abuse, then why all this regulation needed? I personally don't think this new system is user friendly at all, and will push other threads off the front page which will be clogged up with too many match related threads.

As mentioned above, I think a sub forum for team/league threads with match discussions allowed, or match only threads would be good.

Also, what is the obsession with closing these big threads on a regular basis? It is hardly breaking anything having a 25,000 post thread around is it?

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5starpool wrote: »

Also, what is the obsession with closing these big threads on a regular basis? It is hardly breaking anything having a 25,000 post thread around is it?

According to a post in this thread, the admin have said that the larger threads are having an adverse affect on the server load.

mike65

Love to know how as only the last few pages would be viewed and by maybe a few dozen at any one time (at most).

Mike.

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And there is one very active 62k+ post thread on this site, which has been going since March '07.

leninbenjamin

Des wrote: »

And there is one very active 62k+ post thread on this site, which has been going since March '07.

there are a few others, but none are accessed as frequently as as the superthreads.

5starpool

Des wrote: »

According to a post in this thread, the admin have said that the larger threads are having an adverse affect on the server load.

Didn't see this. If this is the case why is it only the soccer forum that has been closing these threads? Should there not have been a thread in the mods forum about it and directives given?

leninbenjamin wrote: »

there are a few others, but none are accessed as frequently as as the superthreads.

Well apart from the monster thread in BGRH, the poker forum has one 27k post thread with 720k views. If these threads were causing harm surely threads like these would be requested to be closed and restarted etc?

Mr Magnolia

Great work to all involved. I think it'll work out well when all settles down.

Hobart

Des wrote: »

Yep, she'll have it covered alright, hard luck man, hard luck.

Me, on the other hand, has been banned from soccer, so won't have a chance of being a mod of it.

:(

Being banned is obviously not a show stopper from being a mod on this board. Wasn't PHB banned in the past?

All in all I think the changes are good. I like the "softly softly" approach to the moderation.

One issue I think may raise it's head, as has in this thread, is the clarity with which the "no discussion of matches in super threads" . It's only natural to discuss the current form of players in these threads and relate to matches. the same goes for upcoming games (e.g. CL games etc...) and the making separate threads could actually fragment the discussion as opposed to actually making discussions easier to moderate.

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Hobart wrote: »

One issue I think may raise it's head, as has in this thread, is the clarity with which the "no discussion of matches in super threads" . It's only natural to discuss the current form of players in these threads and relate to matches. the same goes for upcoming games (e.g. CL games etc...) and the making separate threads could actually fragment the discussion as opposed to actually making discussions easier to moderate.

Yeah, I don't really understand why match talk is banned from the team threads at all tbh.

mike65

QFT. Lots of potential for fuzzy logic (er this is okay, but that is not etc) and conflict.

Mike.

IrishMike

Any chance of a reason why these rules changes have taken place?
The BS about server load is a joke to be honest so why are the big threads constantly closed in soccer?
Also dont like the fact that we cant talk about games in threads, defeats half the purpose of a Liverpool thread.

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Yeah, it was real like a "here's your new rules, now stick to them" without any explanation as to why the changes were being made.

The server load thing doesn't really hold any water.

Mr Magnolia

Whatever about your other gripes. Large threads would/do cause loading problems.

pvt.joker

I say give the new format a few weeks. Sure there are bound to be some issues, but the mods can fix them / adjust the rules as we go.
Good to see changes being made anyway, good work mods.
Although I do agree that we could probably do with another couple of soccer mods.

IrishMike

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

Whatever about your other gripes. Large threads would/do cause loading problems.

May i ask how?
You are only displaying 15 or 30 posts depending on your settings.
You are not displaying the entire thread repeatedly.
It should have the exact same server load as if you were viewing any other 30
posts in another thread.

Mr Magnolia

IrishMike wrote: »

May i ask how?
You are only displaying 15 or 30 posts depending on your settings.
You are not displaying the entire thread repeatedly.
It should have the exact same server load as if you were viewing any other 30
posts in another thread.

Don't know Mike. Vexorg was telling me about it recently. I didn't get into it with him though. I'd imagine it's about where the data is stored, I can't imagine it would have anything to do with your posts displayed.

IrishMike

Maybe something to do with indexing in the database or something like that.
Just doesnt make sense to me when only some threads are closed