A Discussion of the Rules (July 14th 2008)

GuanYin

Hi All,

A quick warning that there will be some major forum changes taking place later today.

These changes may include/require:

Thread Locking
Thread Unsticking
Threads Disappearing

Fear not, I will return/replace threads in these events.

In addition there will be changes to the charter that everyone will be required to read (and it will be the users onus to read the charter changes).

So if you find a thread locked, wait a few minutes before complaining. My fingers only move so fast


The has been a Public Service Announcement on behalf of the boards.ie Soccer Mods.

GuanYin

Rules are now in effect.

The slate is wiped clean on all previous ban records for all users.

Currently banned users will not have their current ban counted.

Currently perm banned users will be dealt with by the mods on a case by case basis.

This thread is now open for discussion. Remain on topic.

Mitch Connor

Hey, what is the story with match discussions?

I can understand keepig general match discussion, such as who just scored, who just missed, subs, etc, to a Match Day thread, be it either Cl, Prem, Eircom League, Championship/League 1/League 2.

However, surely discussion of a match during the following days/weeks such as the performances of particular players or club specific gossip arising directly from the match and directly to the match, or even team news prior to the match or build to Super Sundays should remain in the 'Super Threads' and would come under the 'Team Talk' heading, at least until the weekend of the match in question.

Time Magazine

I welcome these changes. Best of luck with it.

Nalz

Tauren

I posted this in the Manchester United thread but it got deleted and a warning. Apologies to anyone I upsetted or any new rules I broke. I dont get this...obviously changes had to be made for some reason. Seems a bit much but howandever

leninbenjamin

personally i'm happy with the new arrangement. match discussions in the super threads are totally unnecessary, as they are catered for in the weekly threads. what invariably happens is that we see multiple parallel discussions occurring on an almost daily basis when the season kicks off.

it also seriously dilutes the banter as what often occurs is the Utd and Liverpool fans discuss their teams matches in superthreads while completely ignoring the other threads for the most (and occasionally other non-fan users).

Mitch Connor

Trilla wrote: »

Tauren

I posted this in the Manchester United thread but it got deleted and a warning. Apologies to anyone I upsetted or any new rules I broke. I dont get this...obviously changes had to be made for some reason. Seems a bit much but howandever

i did the same, so I will probably get the same.

Then I saw this thread so figureed it would be ok to ask these questions here

Mr Alan

i also think these changes are a good idea.

maybe exceptions could be made in relation to match threads for preseason friendlies as they hardly merit their own thread, for example there was only a handful of posts about the recent Utd/Liverpool/Villa matches.

Mitch Connor

leninbenjamin wrote: »

personally i'm happy with the new arrangement. match discussions in the super threads are totally unnecessary, as they are catered for in the weekly threads. what invariably happens is that we see multiple parallel discussions occurring on an almost daily basis when the season kicks off.

it also seriously dilutes the banter as what often occurs is the Utd and Liverpool fans discuss their teams matches in superthreads while completely ignoring the other threads for the most (and occasionally other non-fan users).

so what you'll get now is arguments between United and Liverpool fans taking over every match day thread, which is what happens with most threads!

Bounty Hunter

If i dont want to know the score of a Villa game, I just avoid the Villa thread, tis just simple logic. I agree with all the changes apart from the matches one, will it not just make the board full of - Chelsea vs Arsenal *Scores within" / Newcastle,Man Utd FA cup updates thread - type threads

GuanYin

Matches can be discussed in match threads or match week threads that will be created on a week to week basis.

The reason for this is to remove the "territorial" aspect of these discussions that occur in the super threads.

Tauren wrote:

However, surely discussion of a match during the following days/weeks such as the performances of particular players or club specific gossip arising directly from the match and directly to the match, or even team news prior to the match or build to Super Sundays should remain in the 'Super Threads' and would come under the 'Team Talk' heading, at least until the weekend of the match in question.

Of cource discussing a players recent performance or the possible team line ups etc is not discussing the match per se, so that is ok. There will be cross-over I'm sure, but when it comes to actually discussing the details and aspects of a game itself, that is what a match thread is for.

leninbenjamin

Tauren wrote: »

so what you'll get now is arguments between United and Liverpool fans taking over every match day thread, which is what happens with most threads!

the expression don't feed the trolls comes to mind

GuanYin

Tauren wrote: »

so what you'll get now is arguments between United and Liverpool fans taking over every match day thread, which is what happens with most threads!

Again, there are several aspects to this. Firstly, more people will get involved in a discussion if they don't have to read through an entire superthread discussing different topics to get the match parts.

Second, it is easier for the mods to spot and cut out rival trolling if it is in a smaller thread (ie. a match thread). The idea is to promote a "discussion for everyone" approach to the matches.



Incidently, Cult has suggested that more regular renewal of the super threads will help with server load issues. For this reason, the threads will be restarted at certain points (we're either going to go with quaterly or a posting threshhold depending on admin advice).

leninbenjamin

GuanYin wrote: »

Incidently, Cult has suggested that more regular renewal of the match threads will help with server load issues. For this reason, the threads will be restarted at certain points (we're either going to go with quaterly or a posting threshhold depending on admin advice).

wait, this has me befuddled. quarterly as in every 22mins 30secs during the match? or quarterly as in a quarterly financial report?

GuanYin

leninbenjamin wrote: »

wait, this has me befuddled. quarterly as in every 22mins 30secs during the match? or quarterly as in a quarterly financial report?

Quater of a year

leninbenjamin

GuanYin wrote: »

Quater of a year

but the match threads are started afresh every week at the least...

you mean the superthreads?

GuanYin

leninbenjamin wrote: »

but the match threads are started afresh every week at the least...

you mean the superthreads?

Oh yes sorry.

Apologies, lots going on at the minute (as you can imagine) so trying to keep track of the questions I'm getting from all sides...

leninbenjamin

GuanYin wrote: »

Oh yes sorry.

Apologies, lots going on at the minute (as you can imagine) so trying to keep track of the questions I'm getting from all sides...

pfft... the level of professionalism has gone to the dogs in this place of late.



edit: what the superthreads thing though does suggest is that vbulletin is really badly written in places... or am i being unreasonable?

Zaph

leninbenjamin wrote: »

match discussions in the super threads are totally unnecessary, as they are catered for in the weekly threads.

Not if you're a Leeds fan they're not!

GuanYin, you posted this in the Leeds thread:

2. Transfers.
- When a major transfer occurs, please post in the specific thread

I presume you mean transfers like Ronaldo to Real or Ronaldinho to City, which should either happen would undoubtedly have their own thread. But what about minor transfers, all of Leeds' transfer dealings, for example, are posts about them allowed on the superthreads.

GuanYin

We are going to try and open and regulate match week threads which will facilitate all divisions and leagues so Leeds will have their place.

Transfers are not banned from superthreads, and minor transfers don't require new threads, when something big happens that everyone is interested in, I think that is when a separate thread sis required.

GuanYin

Ok so apart from the fact everyone is upset because they can't bully match discussions in their superthreads , what do people think about the other changes?

The banning procedure is ALOT more lenient and transparent, are we happy with that?

All in all, the changes should allow a less draconian soccer forum with more input from more users, more scope for input and more organization (because the soccer mods are going to have to work a hell of a lot harder now).

You're all acting like we've censored everything

Savman

Meh. Seems like change for changes sake.

Tom65

I know the idea of subforums was discussed, but what about a single subforum to put all the team threads in? Apologies if that has already been discussed, but it'd tidy up the main Soccer forum a bit.

DSB

Savman wrote: »

Meh. Seems like change for changes sake.

Agreed.

el rabitos

Savman wrote: »

Meh. Seems like change for changes sake.

agreed again. was it really necessary to lock all the other discussion threads?

and just now in the pool thread

GuanYin wrote: »

Infractions for anyone discussing rules in this thread (that includes replying to this post).

wtf, are we just looking for reasons to ban people here? bannings/warnings for talking about matches in the team threads? oh dear...

coming soon...no smileys in match day threads, no winks or confused smileys from man u fans to liverpool fans or vice versa

all seems abit overkill to me

Mr Alan

people have been requesting change for a while and it has been discussed in numerous threads.

wait and see how things pan out.

Helix

with regard to the non discussion of games in superthreads, what about a "matches" sub forum, where individual games can have their own threads. it wont destroy the main football forum every saturday afternoon then

GuanYin

Might be worth considering Helix.

We'd hoped to start Match Week threads, a superthread for matches but this may be another approach.

Helix

itll keep things a bit more organised imo

you know that for news and discussions you go into the parent thread, and for game updates, you go into the matches child forum

nice and easy

Mitch Connor

Helix wrote: »

with regard to the non discussion of games in superthreads, what about a "matches" sub forum, where individual games can have their own threads. it wont destroy the main football forum every saturday afternoon then

I has the same opinion, but from what i can tell the match threads will be used more for "OOOOHHHHHH, nice goal from Barry, Liverpool 1 up a home to Bolton":D rather then in depth discussion on how the game went or how your teams players did - at least that is my understanding from the reply i got in this thread from the Poster formerly known as PSI, and if my understanding is correct then I have no real problem with that.

Aquos76

So what happens if I want to discuss Man Utd's up and coming friendly with Kaizer Chiefs, do I need to start a new thread or where can I discuss it.