Porn & Rape

I was watching Penn and Teller - Bullshit last night and they had an episode about porn. They had the usual thing- people for porn and people against porn (how you could be against it is beyond me - but whatever). Anyway, Penn and Teller had done research - and discovered an interesting correlation between porn and rape:

The states in America with the most internet access had the lowest counts of rape
The states that had the least internet access had the highest counts of rape.

Admittedly they agreed that it could be just a coincidence and there might be no connection whatsoever.

But, does anyone else think that there could be a connection between the 2?

kaimera

...

A link between not raping someone cos of pr0n on the web?

*phew*

javaboy

With the proliferation of mobile broadband, it will be gone altogether by 2011.

Seriously though I'd say there is a correlation there. I look at nakedy wimmins on t'internet and I've never been convicted of rape. I know that's only anecdotal evidence but still.

kwestfan08

I doubt it

Ghost Train

well maybe the states with more internet access were more well off, better social conditions and so less crime etc and less rape

Latchy

Thing is porn has being around long before internet ,just that it is everywere ,easy and more acessible now .Perhaps you also would have to see the statistics pre internet decades to see if the % is higher than it is now .

CliffHuxtabel

I didnt know Penn + Teller did research into such hard-hitting material. I thought they did magic and ****.

Maybe having access to porn relieves the violent sexual urge.

Maybe it encourages it.

Who knows?

I think the connection is negligible

javaboy

eolhc wrote: »

well maybe the states with more internet access were more well off, better social conditions and so less crime etc and less rape

Begone with your logical reasoning.

If we get enough support for this theory we could get free porn on the telly as a crime cutting measure. Talk to your local TD.

seahorse

I'm sure proponents of pornography would love to think so, but areas with lower rates of internet access indicate areas of social disadvantage, where there is a much higher instance of all sorts of violence, so no, I wouldn’t be buying that bullsh!t.

Sherifu

I think this myth is plausible.

Ghost Train

Sherifu wrote: »

I think this myth is plausible.

but would jamie and adam agree

I've been trying to find statistics myself - like which states have the most internet access but I am having no luck whatsoever.

MizzLolly

I studied this in Psychology last year...

Irish men seem to make the repeated mistake between Porn and Erotica. Porn more times than not, depict scenes of rape and degradation. The 'porn' (I'm assuming you're all talking about) is soft core and is actually more erotic than degrading (I hope).


Anyway.. in the case of hard porn (gang rapes and what not) if a person is exposed to them again and again over a long period of time they run the risk of becoming desensitised. Ted Bundy for example, admitted that he always sought out harder porn and more brutal attacks. He then carried out these acts on his victims. It had become the norm after a period of exposure and desensitisation.


Anyhooo... I don't think men watching erotic sex scenes makes them a potential rapist, not at all. Rape scenes and hard porn on the otherhand have a different target audience.

Lets define what you all accept as 'porn' on this thread before I type anymore.... (fingers hurt:o)

Stercus Accidit

Actually its more interesting to read how rape rates fell, as the internet was first rolled out across the US, state by state.

This phenomenon has been around a while.

I haven't raped anyone yet, and I have an internet, now where did I leave it...

kaimera

MizzLolly wrote: »

I studied this in Psychology last year...

Irish men seem to make the repeated mistake between Porn and Erotica. Porn more times than not, depict scenes of rape and degradation. The 'porn' (I'm assuming you're all talking about) is soft core and is actually more erotic than degrading (I hope).


Anyway.. in the case of hard porn (gang rapes and what not) if a person is exposed to them again and again over a long period of time they run the risk of becoming desensitised. Ted Bundy for example, admitted that he always sought out harder porn and more brutal attacks. He then carried out these acts on his victims. It had become the norm after a period of exposure and desensitisation.


Anyhooo... I don't think men watching erotic sex scenes makes them a potential rapist, not at all. Rape scenes and hard porn on the otherhand have a different target audience.

Lets define what you all accept as 'porn' on this thread before I type anymore.... (fingers hurt:o)

There are different 'levels' of pr0n?

It's all men & women bumping uglies to me, the odd animal thrown in for good measure.

Stercus Accidit

MizzLolly wrote: »

I studied this in Psychology last year...

Irish men seem to make the repeated mistake between Porn and Erotica. Porn more times than not, depict scenes of rape and degradation. The 'porn' (I'm assuming you're all talking about) is soft core and is actually more erotic than degrading (I hope).

Seriously, google "porn" and you won't get soft core, hard core and niches are the norm.

The idea is these fantasies can be satisfied online with a quick knuckle shuffle, rather than going out and raping someone.

Hence the theory.

Sherifu

eolhc wrote: »

but would jamie and adam agree

/resists urge to link to compromising adam pic

Sparky

This thread title is very deceiving.

MizzLolly

kaimera wrote: »

There are different 'levels' of pr0n?

It's all men & women bumping uglies to me, the odd animal thrown in for good measure.

Hahaha fair enough..!


Yeah - I'm no expert on the matter but in the lectures we looked at how hard porn was made and listened to interviews from the female 'actresses'. Most of the hard porn stuff were gang rapes and vile, sadistic and degrading sh!t! :mad:



Motosam: Sorry I just seen your post there. I don't know tbh, I never googled porn! I don't know a whole lot about it except for the case studies I did.

Spankeh

Spankeh wrote: »

This thread title is very deceiving.

Worked like a charm

who's yer one?

ted bundy went around doing interviews from prison saying porn made him rape and kill a bunch of women. but then theres the argument that he was just making excuses, but the counter argument that he was on death row anyway, so blaming porn wasn't going to help him.
plenty of people watch porn and dont rape.

( i did know a guy who did nothin But watch porn, and he had this weird power thing with women, even outside the bedroom. i think he really saw women as nothing but sex objects, not just to the regular 'you're a pig' level, but weirder, i can't explain properly..)

AARRRGH

Deleted User wrote: »

The states in America with the most internet access had the lowest counts of rape
The states that had the least internet access had the highest counts of rape.

That's not Penn & Teller research. I read the original university paper.

It's true. The more access people have to pornography, the less sexual assault there is.

It makes sense really...

javaboy

MizzLolly wrote: »

I studied this in Psychology last year...

Irish men seem to make the repeated mistake between Porn and Erotica. Porn more times than not, depict scenes of rape and degradation. The 'porn' (I'm assuming you're all talking about) is soft core and is actually more erotic than degrading (I hope).


Anyway.. in the case of hard porn (gang rapes and what not) if a person is exposed to them again and again over a long period of time they run the risk of becoming desensitised. Ted Bundy for example, admitted that he always sought out harder porn and more brutal attacks. He then carried out these acts on his victims. It had become the norm after a period of exposure and desensitisation.


Anyhooo... I don't think men watching erotic sex scenes makes them a potential rapist, not at all. Rape scenes and hard porn on the otherhand have a different target audience.

Lets define what you all accept as 'porn' on this thread before I type anymore.... (fingers hurt:o)

If people wanted erotica/soft porn they would watch wimmins tennis and MTV. If people go a-googling for porn they are more than likely looking for harder shtuff. That doesn't always mean rape scenes though. Degrading maybe but then standing there in front of your laptop furiously beating your meat with your cacks around your ankles hoping you can finish before your mam gets back from the shops isn't exactly glamorous for you either. :pac:


Also don't use an obvious nutcase like Ted Bundy to make a point about people in general.

Stercus Accidit

MizzLolly wrote: »

Motosam: Sorry I just seen your post there. I don't know tbh, I never googled porn! I don't know a whole lot about it except for the case studies I did.

Don't click on the results or anything (I dont think you'd like it ) but throw it into google there, see what the first 10 results are, and give us you're impression

I predict "big boobs" will be a minor feature, while "hardcore" is a more likely word to appear.

Latchy

Wimbledon starts next week

AARRRGH

MizzLolly wrote: »

Porn more times than not, depict scenes of rape and degradation. The 'porn' (I'm assuming you're all talking about) is soft core and is actually more erotic than degrading (I hope).

100% pure bull****.

Porn does not "more times than not" depict scenes of rape and degradation.

Yes, there is a type of porn which shows aggressive acts like rape and degradation, but it is absolutely in the minority, less than 1% of porn.

MizzLolly wrote: »

Anyway.. in the case of hard porn (gang rapes and what not)

You really know absolutely nothing about porn, do you?

MizzLolly wrote: »

Lets define what you all accept as 'porn' on this thread before I type anymore.... (fingers hurt:o)

Porn is something whose purpose is to arouse. It has nothing to do with rape or child molesting or whatever other nonsense you think it might be.

MizzLolly

who's yer one? wrote: »

ted bundy went around doing interviews from prison saying porn made him rape and kill a bunch of women. but then theres the argument that he was just making excuses, but the counter argument that he was on death row anyway, so blaming porn wasn't going to help him.
plenty of people watch porn and dont rape.

( i did know a guy who did nothin But watch porn, and he had this weird power thing with women, even outside the bedroom. i think he really saw women as nothing but sex objects, not just to the regular 'you're a pig' level, but weirder, i can't explain properly..)

Exactly, he had been desensitised by constant exposure to hard
core (probably) rape scenes and domination scenes.

I don't know what exactly you consider hard or soft but the stuff we had to read about was awful - I mean bloody terrifying!

So I'm not saying, under any circumstances that ANY of you are potential rapists for liking porn. I think that's an unfair generalisation. But if any of you like to watch scenes in which women are beaten (to the extent that she's clearly not enjoying it) and tortured and are exposed to it for a long period of time, then you could very well begin to accept it as normal.


Again... lads, you're all exempt from this bracket as it appears to be soft porn or erotica that yer referring to!

Latchy

MizzLolly wrote: »

Again... lads, you're all exempt from this bracket as it appears to be soft porn or erotica that yer referring to!

Wimbledon , defo soft porn for early evening viewing

MizzLolly

dublindude wrote: »

100% pure bull****.

Porn does not "more times than not" depict scenes of rape and degradation.

Yes, there is a type of porn which shows aggressive acts like rape and degradation, but it is absolutely in the minority, less than 1% of porn.



You really know absolutely nothing about porn, do you?



Porn is something whose purpose is to arouse. It has nothing to do with rape or child molesting or whatever other nonsense you think it might be.

Easy on the old aggression there Sir.

I'm typing outta my textbook! :rolleyes:

AARRRGH

MizzLolly wrote: »

Ted Bundy for example, admitted that he always sought out harder porn and more brutal attacks. He then carried out these acts on his victims. It had become the norm after a period of exposure and desensitisation.

What about the hundreds of millions of men who look at hardcore porn?

I'm sorry, but one example of someone who looked at porn and killed people doesn't cut it with me. Using your logic, I could connect every single thing in the world to an act of murder.

Honestly, you're talking ****e.

I apologise if I'm being a bit aggressive, but the backwards Irish attitude to porn really annoys me. There is nothing wrong with nudity, sex and being aroused. Yes, the odd mentaller might see a violent hollywood movie or read a violent book or watch some violent porn and get some ideas in his head, but he is MENTALLY ILL.

Sherifu

MizzLolly wrote: »

Again... lads, you're all exempt from this bracket as it appears to be soft porn or erotica that yer referring to!

^_^

brianthebard

MizzLolly wrote: »

Easy on the old aggression there Sir.

I'm typing outta my textbook! :rolleyes:

i think thats the problem.

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Agamemnon

MizzLolly wrote: »

I don't know what exactly you consider hard or soft

I always thought soft porn was the kind of thing you might see late at night on Bravo and hard-core was porn with lots of explicit close-ups of vaginas, cocks and penetration. What you're calling hard core seems to be more like extreme niche porn to appeal to violent sadists, paedophiles and other vermin.

norbert64

who's yer one? wrote: »

ted bundy went around doing interviews from prison saying porn made him rape and kill a bunch of women. but then theres the argument that he was just making excuses, but the counter argument that he was on death row anyway, so blaming porn wasn't going to help him.

if I recall correctly, bundys big ''pr0n made me do it'' speech was during his interview with James Dobson.

also, the type of pr0n he was perusing was seemingly bondage/kidnapping comics, very far removed from the softcore, or even hardcore stuff of today.

Stercus Accidit

It is a bit idiotic TBH.

The internet is full of hardcore porn due to demand, it is not a minority pursuit, rape is a minority pursuit, and there is no corrolation between the two, bar the inverse one mentioned, ffs, we should be taught porn in secondary school.

Mweelrea

Christ its the perfect excuse if you're caught watching porn-incase you become a rapist.
Well done OP, You've done a great deal of men a big favor!

MizzLolly

dublindude wrote: »

What about the hundreds of millions of men who look at hardcore porn?

I'm sorry, but one example of someone who looked at porn and killed people doesn't cut it with me. Using your logic, I could connect every single thing in the world to an act of murder.

Honestly, you're talking ****e.

I apologise if I'm being a bit aggressive, but the backwards Irish attitude to porn really annoys me. There is nothing wrong with nudity, sex and being aroused. Yes, the odd mentaller might see a violent hollywood movie or read a violent book or watch some violent porn and get some ideas in his head, but he is MENTALLY ILL.

/ ditches nice image


Hold on a minute for fu*k sake! First of all, actually read what I typed. I said more than once that I thought that men watching porn was fine. It was the degradation scenes that I mentioned (over a long period of time) that was an issue.

Don't address me in that manner again. You're rude and it's uncalled for. I don't think it was an Irish guy who wrote the psychology text books I'm reading from either so that proves you and your intolerance to the 'Irish attitude' to be nothing more than repressed aggression. Been a while since we watched the old porn has it? Slightly frustrated are we?
:rolleyes:

None of the other men took offence to it FFS!

javaboy

Agamemnon wrote: »

I always thought soft porn was the kind of thing you might see late at night on Bravo and hard-core was porn with lots of explicit close-ups of vaginas, cocks and penetration. What you're calling hard core seems to be more like extreme niche porn to appeal to violent sadists, paedophiles and other vermin.

Exactly.

Triple upside-down interracial BBW POV watersports/bukkake=softcore? lol

AARRRGH

Agamemnon wrote: »

I always thought soft porn was the kind of thing you might see late at night on Bravo and hard-core was porn with lots of explicit close-ups of vaginas, cocks and penetration. What you're calling hard core seems to be more like extreme niche porn to appeal to violent sadists, paedophiles and other vermin.

I agree.

I think the author of MizzLolly's psychology textbook has some issues with porn.

/Glad society's heading forwards, not backwards, when it comes to porn

MizzLolly

brianthebard wrote: »

i think thats the problem.

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Great contribution. Well done.

Agamemnon wrote: »

I always thought soft porn was the kind of thing you might see late at night on Bravo and hard-core was porn with lots of explicit close-ups of vaginas, cocks and penetration. What you're calling hard core seems to be more like extreme niche porn to appeal to violent sadists, paedophiles and other vermin.

I don't know. That's how it was classified to us. I don't watch it or anything so I can't tell you from a personal point of view

Latchy

Some doctors have recomended porn to some couples who have difficultys in the bedroom although not sure if they recomended soft or hard porn . Anybody Remember those educational sex videos that were aimed at (mainly) married couples ? They were being discussed a lot on daytime tv shows pre internet days .

brianthebard

MizzLolly wrote: »

Great contribution. Well done.

you're welcome.its not enough to know what the textbook says,you have to know how to apply it.


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MizzLolly

latchyco wrote: »

Some doctors have recomended porn to some couples who have difficultys in the bedroom although not sure if they recomended soft or hard porn . Anybody Remember those educational sex videos that were aimed at (mainly) married couples ? They were being discussed a lot on daytime tv shows pre internet days .

Hahahahaa geez!


/leaves thread emotionally scarred.......

Bye bye. . .

AARRRGH

MizzLolly wrote: »

Hold on a minute for fu*k sake! First of all, actually read what I typed.

I did. You said erotica was acceptable, but porn, especially hardcore porn, was mostly about rape and degradation.

You cannot tar an entire industry/topic like that.

MizzLolly wrote: »

your intolerance to the 'Irish attitude' to be nothing more than repressed aggression. Been a while since we watched the old porn has it? Slightly frustrated are we?

Don't be sad. My issue is with you claiming you're coming from an educated background (the psychology perspective) and then talking complete and utter nonsense.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, so please do not try to claim you do.

tracker-man

Can we stay on topic please. This is not the place to attack another poster.

Dave!

eolhc wrote: »

well maybe the states with more internet access were more well off, better social conditions and so less crime etc and less rape

Indeed

If the research amounts to what the OP summarised, then it's the results that are bullsh!t

BTW, did anybody used to watch Bullsh!t on YouTube? A user called 'something something' madre had them all online, but was forced to take them down

boo-urns

Latchy

MizzLolly wrote: »

Hahahahaa geez!


/leaves thread emotionally scarred.......

Bye bye. . .

Before your time i gather but yeah, we even had porn back ohhhhhh about .....7 years ago

Stercus Accidit

"Extreme" porn is now an offence similar to child porn.

Extreme is defined as grossly offensive to an average person, ok game over.

If you click on a link to a legal website, legally hosted etc. where they have simulated rape, torture and bondage, performed by willing participants etc., you can be convicted.

If I watch a DP movie, is that grossly offensive?

What about regular porn, some people may be offended by that also?

That's it convict me.


Now thank fcuk, my liberty does not rely on such vague terms, the bollock bashing scene in casino royale would count if it weren't daniel craig, but some other leather clad gimp on a website would be "extreme".

Ireland, progressive?

Not as bad as the UK at least.

MizzLolly

dublindude wrote: »

I did. You said erotica was acceptable, but porn, especially hardcore porn, was mostly about rape and degradation.

You cannot tar an entire industry/topic like that.



Don't be sad. My issue is with you claiming you're coming from an educated background (the psychology perspective) and then talking complete and utter nonsense.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, so please do not try to claim you do.

You are obnoxious and rude. I never even said anything BAD!! FFS ... You're the only one who expressed a problem with it.


F*cking hell... This is what makes me HATE boards!

AARRRGH

MizzLolly wrote: »

I don't know. That's how it was classified to us. I don't watch it or anything so I can't tell you from a personal point of view

Right, so your opinion is based on something someone told you? FFS. Will you go look at porn and see what it's all about, and then come back to us?

Seriously, it's not a good idea to make such strong statements (porn is mostly rape and degradation, etc.) about something you admittedly know nothing about.

leninbenjamin

is the guy who watches porn more likely to rape or is the guy who's more likely to rape the guy who watches porn?