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Casino raided and shut down by Gardai

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  • 17-05-2008 3:56am
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    tipp86
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    Atlantis casino, clonmel was raided and shut down indefinetly tonight.

    Got a call to tell me roulette wheel, safe and everyones chips were confiscated in a raid at approx 2.30am today by around 7 gardai.


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    valor
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    why>


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    nicnicnic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭nicnicnic


    tipp86 wrote: »
    Atlantis casino, clonmel was raided and shut down indefinetly tonight.

    Got a call to tell me roulette wheel, safe and everyones chips were confiscated in a raid at approx 2.30am today by around 7 gardai.

    Surely this is big news for republic casinos and card clubs?



    SWEET I SMELL GARDA CORRUPTION/BRIBES THIS BABY COULD HAVE LEGS


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    tipp86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭tipp86


    valor wrote: »
    why>

    Who knows? But what exactly is the legal situation with casinos/card clubs.

    I cant imagine the gardai looked kindly on the free drink situation which exisisted at the casino.But i guess there has to be more than that to it.There should be someone posting soon enough that was there.


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    nicnicnic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭nicnicnic


    no way this has national imprecations ie a national policy decision; this is local politics probably local supers son did the family diddley club on roulette or something


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    tipp86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭tipp86


    nicnicnic wrote: »
    no way this has national imprecations ie a national policy decision; this is local politics probably local supers son did the family diddley club on roulette or something

    Nah he just lost it to me at the poker table:D:D


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    yeah-buddy
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    nicccccccccccccccce


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    the whole year inn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    all on green!what really happened?


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    tipp86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭tipp86


    gob_smacked wrote: »
    all on green!what really happened?

    basically what i wrote in the op, not sure of details but basically they took all chips cash etc.... that was on the premises.they took everyones name and address.I sure wouldnt be happy if i was sitting down playing poker and my chip were confiscated.


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    THEIRISHMOB
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    send them down to blazin aces................ could do with a few garda to sort the place out.
    Maybe arrest the customers for hanging up there phone..........!!!
    absolute **** hole


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    Matt Santos
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭Matt Santos


    tipp86 wrote: »
    Who knows? But what exactly is the legal situation with casinos/card clubs.

    I cant imagine the gardai looked kindly on the free drink situation which exisisted at the casino.But i guess there has to be more than that to it.There should be someone posting soon enough that was there.

    Can confirm that this was the case.
    Roulette wheel, all the chips, all the cards, all the money and all the names of the patrons for want of a better term "found on".
    I had the bones of €300 in front of me at the roulette table when it went down.
    The Gardai stormed in and took up a position at each of the manned tables. "Nobody touch any of the chips or tables or you will be charged with obstruction". With that everyone in the place hands there hands up in the air like a "stick up!"
    The Gardai took a great deal of time to explain to all the Club Members that they were not breaking any laws but that they would need everybodys name and address as they were of the opinion that the operators of the club were.
    A tally of my chips were taken and I signed for it in the Garda note book. He explained to me that I would have to contact him in Clonmel Garda Station later on in the week and I would be issued with a receipt for my chip count.
    I left pretty soon after that as I was told that I had no further reason to stay. A pretty big crowd were already gathering on the street and all sorts of stories were being bandied about including drugs, money laundering and the sort but from my own point of view this was not the case. It was a casino issue.
    The roulette wheel was removed from the premises and cases of casino marked chips were also taken away.
    I think this could be the start of the expected clampdown.....


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    mdwexford
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    wow sounds exciting

    +1 for internet pokers>>>>>>live pokers


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    HoLLLLLaments
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    Matt Santos wrote: »
    A pretty big crowd were already gathering on the street and all sorts of stories were being bandied about including drugs, money laundering and the sort

    I love being in this crowd.


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    hotspur
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    Matt Santos wrote: »
    I think this could be the start of the expected clampdown.....

    What expected clampdown? And if there were one I hardly think it would first hit the high profile casinos of Tipperary (and I had to google Clonmel to find out which Godforsaken bog it is in). Probably raided because of a poitin still or something. Or maybe Lucey is money laundering for Al-Qaeda. Someone find out.


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    eddiehead
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    Matt Santos wrote: »
    Can confirm that this was the case.
    Roulette wheel, all the chips, all the cards, all the money and all the names of the patrons for want of a better term "found on".
    I had the bones of €300 in front of me at the roulette table when it went down.
    The Gardai stormed in and took up a position at each of the manned tables. "Nobody touch any of the chips or tables or you will be charged with obstruction". With that everyone in the place hands there hands up in the air like a "stick up!"
    The Gardai took a great deal of time to explain to all the Club Members that they were not breaking any laws but that they would need everybodys name and address as they were of the opinion that the operators of the club were.
    A tally of my chips were taken and I signed for it in the Garda note book. He explained to me that I would have to contact him in Clonmel Garda Station later on in the week and I would be issued with a receipt for my chip count.
    I left pretty soon after that as I was told that I had no further reason to stay. A pretty big crowd were already gathering on the street and all sorts of stories were being bandied about including drugs, money laundering and the sort but from my own point of view this was not the case. It was a casino issue.
    The roulette wheel was removed from the premises and cases of casino marked chips were also taken away.
    I think this could be the start of the expected clampdown.....

    Its all a bit Hollywood IMO, if the operators are dodgy then why not just get a hold of them on some weekday afternoon when theres no punters there? I dont really see the point "storming" in at there peak hours. Maybe they were watching Martin Scorsese's "Casino" beforehand and just decided this was the way to go, lol. I wonder if their Carlow club will be stormed any time soon


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    Rb
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    So long as the customers get their money back, it's not a huge issue.


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    YULETIRED
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    the whole sorry episode caught on camera fking cops

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGVwN8vlLrc&feature=related


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    chillimetro
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    THEIRISHMOB wrote: »
    send them down to blazin aces................ could do with a few garda to sort the place out.
    Maybe arrest the customers for hanging up there phone..........!!!
    absolute **** hole

    IDIOT!!!!!!


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    ZZR1100
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    nicnicnic wrote: »
    no way this has national imprecations ie a national policy decision; this is local politics probably local supers son did the family diddley club on roulette or something

    perhaps not national policy but if this goes to court and a decision is made against the operators, it will have implications for all the other clubs i would imagine


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    NickyOD
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    Matt Santos wrote: »
    Can confirm that this was the case.
    Roulette wheel, all the chips, all the cards, all the money and all the names of the patrons for want of a better term "found on".
    I had the bones of €300 in front of me at the roulette table when it went down.
    The Gardai stormed in and took up a position at each of the manned tables. "Nobody touch any of the chips or tables or you will be charged with obstruction". With that everyone in the place hands there hands up in the air like a "stick up!"
    The Gardai took a great deal of time to explain to all the Club Members that they were not breaking any laws but that they would need everybodys name and address as they were of the opinion that the operators of the club were.
    A tally of my chips were taken and I signed for it in the Garda note book. He explained to me that I would have to contact him in Clonmel Garda Station later on in the week and I would be issued with a receipt for my chip count.
    I left pretty soon after that as I was told that I had no further reason to stay. A pretty big crowd were already gathering on the street and all sorts of stories were being bandied about including drugs, money laundering and the sort but from my own point of view this was not the case. It was a casino issue.
    The roulette wheel was removed from the premises and cases of casino marked chips were also taken away.
    I think this could be the start of the expected clampdown.....

    Are you well connected enough to know that there was definitely nothing illegal or underhanded going on at the club? If there is a clampdown coming this is not how it would be handled.

    Did the club have a gaming license?


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    Tight Ted
    Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Tight Ted


    Don't see how this could have national implications, when you consider that there are bookies up and down every highstreet in Ireland. Don't know what the story with drinks being served afterhours though!

    Anyway live poker is da suck.


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    Matt Santos
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭Matt Santos


    NickyOD wrote: »
    Are you well connected enough to know that there was definitely nothing illegal or underhanded going on at the club? If there is a clampdown coming this is not how it would be handled.

    Did the club have a gaming license?

    Nicky, I was just a punter there and do not pretend to know anything more than I have said. It seems a little heavy handed the manner that it was executed but when you are closing a casino (and I think its a first in the Republic of Ireland!) how do you go about it?
    This was no couple of Gardai in the station drinking coffee and eating Jaffa cakes that decided to close the casino. There were at least 7 Gardai and that included two plain clothes detectives, two uniform Sgts and a uniformed Superintendent.
    As for the question of a gaming licence......... I really dont know but is this not the simple thing to have in this business?


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    latenia
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    Is there such a thing as a gaming license in Ireland?


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    The Al Lad
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    Just got off the phone to a garda mate of mine who told me the true story behind this, and said the gardai will be releasing this statement later on today

    " Yesterday afternoon, members of An Garda Shicaloni were reading boards.ie when they came across a thread in which nicnicnic claimed to have WON a tournament in Clonmel, Gardai decided to close this casino with immediate effect for allowing such a bad player to win on their premises, all confiscated funds will now go towards the Garda christmas patry the Garda benevolant fund"


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    tipp86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭tipp86


    Interesting to see what the implications will be for the sister club in carlow


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    Mellor
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    latenia wrote: »
    Is there such a thing as a gaming license in Ireland?
    Yes, you need one for slot macines say


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    NickyOD
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    Matt Santos wrote: »
    As for the question of a gaming licence......... I really dont know but is this not the simple thing to have in this business?

    You would think that, but a lot of "private members clubs" just go ahead without it and seem to get away with it.


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    Sirtoyou
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    tipp86 wrote: »
    Interesting to see what the implications will be for the sister club in carlow

    Just lol at tipping off the sister garda station.


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    Heisenberg.
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    mcaul
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    Don't have any info on Clonmel situation, but if any club operators are reading this you MUST have a record of all members including date of birth, address & a copy of positive ID. (passport or driving license) All guests of member must also produce ID and a record must be kept. All members must sign in on each day they entre the club and the signing in book must be kept for inspection.

    If the above is not done, then you are not operating a private members club and are, in effect, operating a public casino which is illegal.

    The private member club is still a grey area, but as long as the rules of operating a private members club are strictly adhered to, then the gardai would be loathe to take any action.


    My pure guess on what happened in Clonmel is that the local super wasn't too happy with a casino in town (despite there being about 20 bookies!!), sent uncercover gardai into the club - they may not have been
    asked for ID etc and this was eough for local super to bring in heavies for a wild west style stunt!


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    ElectraBlue
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    Doubt if anyone will get their money back... That receipt is just a slip of paper to state that your money is now 'evidence' - the 'evidence' can be returned to you at the end of the investigation in the form they were confiscated (chips) which will be worthless if the Casino doesn't re-open and/or other clubs refuse to accept them...


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