ATH5: A Sloberknocker with words!

john concannon

WWE DRAFT 2008

Round One
RAW=MVP
SMACKDOWN=MR.KENNEDY
ECW=MARK HENRY

Round Two
RAW=BATISTA
SMACKDOWN=CM PUNK
ECW=LANCE CADE

Round Three
RAW=REY MYSTERIO
SMACKDOWN=UMAGA
ECW=DH SMITH

Upon arrival MVP would be put in a feud with Chris Jericho over IC Title.Mvp would win.Kennedy would be made suprise no.1 contender for Undertaker(he will regain the title.)Umaga would feud with some jobber.Mark Henry would join up with Striker and Big Daddy V.Cm Punk would wait for Wrestlemania to cash in MITB.Batista would feud with Triple H.Lance Cade would be built up to be respectable superstar.Rey would be put in the IC Title contendership.DH Smith would be built up again so he could be a future star.

Bubs101

Since the draft has to coincide with the plot of the WWE and assuming it's not done by random, all of the pics would be in the GM's best interests to keep Kayfabe in order. The Draft also has to serve what the brands need most

Smackdown needs stars quickly. All they do is recycle Batista, Taker and Edge into all of their main events.

Raw needs to clear some space at the main event in order to make room for the younger promising wrestlers to get more time on the best show fighting for the IC title.

ECW needs to make itself interesting and have some wrestlers that make it worth tuning into who exclusively show up on ECW alone.

I also believe that trading between ECW and Smackdown is pointless

So this is how I would do it. Vickie would represent Edge's interest and Edge tells her that he needs some help to take down Taker so he gets in someone who he knows can do the job and who he has worked with before

Smackdown's first pick: Randy Orton

William Regal hypes up his pick beyond all belief but seeing as he is a wrestler he would obviously not want to add to his competition

Raw's first pick: Kelly Kelly

Estrada claims that he has no influence in ECW and he needs somebody to enforce his will.

ECW's first pick: Umaga.

As with all draft's, they take place on a special interbrand Raw with matches inbetween. The first (and only one of note) is Rated RKO against the Miz and Morrison for the belts so Vicky can keep these belts on Smackdown. Rated RKO look like their about to win when Estrada sends Umaga down to take out Edge and Orton to keep the belts on ECW. Vickie tries to intervene and gets Samoan Dropped by Umaga, sending her to hospital. No result in the match.

Regal claims that the Raw superstars (i.e. himself) need more opportunities like MITB and makes a match tonight. Regal vs. his new pick with the case on the line

Raw's 2nd pick: CM Punk

Estrada claims that in order for ECW to compete with Smackdown they need strong young superstars who are not afraid to speak their minds and who know how to defeat Smackdown's best

ECW's 2nd pick: Mr. Kennedy

With Vickie gone the choice falls to Teddy Long who, despite Edge's pleadings to pick Maria drafts a former World Champion to Smackdown

Smackdown's 2nd pick: John Cena

Estrada returns and once again emphasizes the rivalry with Smackdown. He claims that Smackdown would never beat ECW in the ratings if Rey Mysterio didn't appeal to the Latino fans. He says that ECW needs their own high flying Mexican.

ECW's 3rd pick: Super Crazy

Teddy comes back out with Edge and starts waxing lyrical about how it's good to be back. Edge is encouraging him to speak until Teddy realises that Edge is stalling until Vicky comes back. Just before Vicky gets back to the ring and despite Edge's best effort Teddy makes his final choice

Smackdown's 3rd pick: The returning Jeff Hardy

Vicky comes back and grabs a mic. She tries to rescind the picks to no avail when she starts criticizing Raw's GM for not having adequate security to prevent such attacks as the one that she suffered. She says that Regal is not fit for his job. As he makes his way into the ring she continues to insult him until Regal grabs the mic. He tells her that she is going to regret her words.

Raw's 3rd pick: Edge

This draft has multiple reasons. Most importantly, it finally seperates Edge and Vickie. Secondly, it gives Smackdown 3 new main eventers and maybe more importantly, puts Batista and Cena on the same show in preperation for WM 25.It gets Punk out of ECW but gives it more than enough star power to replace him in Kennedy and Umaga. WWE can finally put Kelly Kelly over as their top diva now she's on their top show

Machismo Fan

I think WWE would be stupid to draft a top draw to ECW, they should keep it as a developmental brand with a good TV deal and great wrestling.

ECW: 1: Jamie Noble

This guy is a superb wrestler and is being wasted in the cruiserweightless Smackdown. He could have great matches with the likes of Punk, Morrison, Kingston, Burke and Benjamin. It could create alot of options.

2: Cody Rhodes

Cody is losing valuable time in the poor WWE tag division, I think he has great potential and his development can continue on ECW.

3: Super Crazy

He is super, he is crazy, he is SUPER CRAZY. He is also a very exciting wrestler that could have great matches with just about anyone on the ECW roster.

Smackdown!:1. Jeff Hardy

Hardy with the right people can become the next mega star. The kids love him. He could feud with my other two draft picks, MVP, maybe a friendly rivalry with Matt and of course Edge. Hardy has a lot of talent and can easily get the crowd going, give him the ball and let him run with it.

2. Mr. Kennedy

He is dying on the red brand, remember when we all cared about Kennedy when he was on Smackdown!. Let him go back to that.

3. HBK

I think he has done all there is to do on Raw. He can bring more people to Smackdown and a feud with MVP would be good.

RAW: 1. CM Punk

He has too much drawing potential to be stuck in the Land of Extreme. He is the next big thing and should be treated that way. Put him against Orton, Y2J, Umaga and Regal and slowly build him as one of the top men in the company.

2. Batista

The 'Animal' needs something else to do. People are getting sick of him so a heel run on Raw would be good.

3. Rey Mysterio

Mysterio has been on Smackdown! for five years now and he needs to go else where. Big feuds with Batista, Punk, Regal, Y2J and Umaga(maybe HHH to) would add something new to the red brand.

As you can see I gave no one big to ECW as this is not going to save the brand. Make ECW the better wrestling brand with good athletic, young talent and use that to build ECW. Raw and Smackdown have to share big draws instead of Raw taking Lashley, Kennedy and London and Kendrick and giving back no one of any interest.

Cactus Col

The biggest problem I have with everyone's draft picks (apart from mine of course) is CM Punk.

So I suppose this is a counter to everyone..... (is that allowed? or do I have to write individual counters?!)

I just don't see why anybody would pick him while he has the mitb contract. He can cash that in at any time for any title. So Raw may draft him on the Monday, on Friday Punk could still cash in his title and fight for the World Heavyweight title on Smackdown, if he wins it he's now a smackdown superstar.

It just seems to be too much of a waste of a draft pick when MVP or Jeff Hardy, or any number of other wrestlers could be picked instead.

Bubs101

The reason is fairly obvious for me. With the other MITB winners they wanted to keep the case in the spotlight. Be it Kennedy's promo's or RVD's defenses, you were constantly reminded that it was an active part of the dynamic of the WWE. I don't see how you can keep the suitcase in the minds of everybody on ECW when nobody watcges it. Also, seeing as he isn't even ECW champ, when he stays on that show he couldn't cash it in credibly in my eyes.

As for the other arguments.

Dave, don't see why you would move the womens belt. Not only does the Raw roster have more talent in that department but ECW only has 1 hour and it would lose even more people if they thought that a 3rd of that would be women wrestling. It's bad enough that the ECWers have to share their spotlight with Smackdown. Also, in regards to the Big Show, it's a bit too early to move him. He hasn't even had a title feud yet and his big feuds will come (Taker, Edge, MVP, Rey, Batista)

Cactus, John Cena is worth alot more than cody and Holly, even if you add somebody else. Keep in mind Triple H was traded back for Booker and the Dudleys and that went down horribly.

John, you have just raped Smackdown of it's talent. You took away Rey, MVP and Batista and didn't replace them with one Main eventer. The ones you replace them with are talented but Batista and Rey are main eventers and MVP is effectively now by virtue of holding their second belt for around a year

Cactus Col

Bubs101 wrote: »

Cactus, John Cena is worth alot more than cody and Holly, even if you add somebody else. Keep in mind Triple H was traded back for Booker and the Dudleys and that went down horribly.

I have to concede that. Originally I had the highlanders coming across to ecw too, but then that would take too much away from the raw tag scene. Looking back I should've thrown Super Crazy in the mix too, I'd pretty much just forgotten about him.
However I do believe it could work with just Holly and Rhodes. One wrestler for the tag champs? Why not!

Bounty Hunter

Cactus Col wrote: »

So I suppose this is a counter to everyone..... (is that allowed? or do I have to write individual counters?!)

It would be allowed, however it means you cannot counter any other points in anyones answer whom traded Punk as you have already counterd their arguement once.

another few hours left in this round then ill post R3 (scores may be after, as im only just back from work)

Bounty Hunter

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havent intentionally got everyone so close just happened that way tbh.

Round 1 and Round 2 were very straight forward and answers were fairly similar so as i stated after Q1 its mostly how you backed up your answers that was important. Therefore Q3 ive made sure will get diverse answers

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Q.Often Heel turns follow screwjobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screwjob, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?

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john concannon

CM PUNK would screw Undertaker after Undertaker gets the win over Edge at Judgement Day in a thirty minute grueling encounter.

Undertaker would be dejected after the match and CM Punk's music would play.He would cash in the MITB to take on Taker.He would destroy Taker would a chair shot before the match.Punk would use a weapon to help secure the victory.

Babyface Taker would lose his title and the fans would hate Punk.Punk would hold on to the title for a short time after Taker beats him in a rematch.

This would elevate Punk and all Boards.ie Pro-Wrestling posters would realize his greatness and all posters would realise that Bounty Hunter's marking scheme is as pointless as Chris Master's being a world leader in technical wrestling...NOT FECKING LIKELY

Bubs101

QOften Heel turns follow screwjobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screwjob, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?.



Quick question here. Does the screwjob have to be a heel turn or can it be a heel on heel turn making the victim a face?

Bounty Hunter

via screwjob ill allow a face victum turn

Cactus Col

QOften Heel turns follow screwjobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screwjob, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?

Well, for this answer I considered three real possibilities. The most exciting of whom, I feel is Batista. During his feud with the undertake last year I feel we were teased slightly with a batista turn. Now is the time to make good on that.

I would have him screw over both HBK and The Undertaker at Unforgiven. After several minutes of intense fighting between the Animal and the Heartbreak Kid, Edge would come down to the ring, sit beside Mick Foley and Cole and start commentating. The usual stuff, complaining about batista.

Towards the end of the match, just after HBK has kicked out of a two count, the ref gets bumped, Edge takes his chance and heads for the ring, chair in hand. Batista sees Edge, and just avoids being smashed in the face with the chair. Unfortunately a still groggy Shawn Michaels gets whacked in the face, and goes down. Batista goes to spear Edge, but another chair shot puts him down. He falls on top of HBK, the ref manages to crawl over, and counts to three, Batista wins!

Later in the show during the main event, Edge and Undertaker are involved in a knockabout brawl. The Familia are surrounding the ring, and keep taking cheap shots on the undertaker every chance they get. Obviously Edge throws Undertaker outside the ring everychance he gets. All of a sudden Batista's ring music hits ..... seems like he's coming for some revenge!

Ryder and Hawkins run up the runway to meet him, but Bam! they go down easily ... Chavo and Bam Neely steer clear keeping on the far side of the ring from him.

Now Undertaker is clear to win this fair and square ....he hits Edge with a choke slam .... KICKOUT! But Edge is still groggy ... Undertaker signals for the tombstone piledriver, picks Edge up ... but BAM! Batista delivers a chairshot to the back of the head! Chavo, Bam Neely, and Batista deliver kicks to the downed taker, while Edge recovers. A conchairto from Batista and Edge. The Ref disqualifies Edge, but the title is still vacant. Batista and Edge stand over taker as the show closes. On Smackdown Batista reveals that he was sick and tired of losing, of battling against the odds, now, the odds are on his side.

His feud with HBK will obviously continue, while obviously fighting with Taker, Finlay, Matt Hardy, Big Show. Batista is built up as the unstoppable bastard that he is. He will dominate the royal rumble and choose to fight Cena for the WWE title at mania.

Machismo Fan

Q.Often Heel turns follow screwjobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screwjob, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?

I would turn CM Punk at Judgement Day. CM Punk and Kane will face John Morrison and The Miz for the Tag Titles(announced on WWE.com).

So when Kane is about to become a double champion when he chokeslams The Miz and covers him, then Punk nails Kane with a chair to break up the pin. Kane will have been triple teamed to lose and Morrison, Miz and Punk will form a new stable to take over ECW and Smackdown!. Maybe joining forces with Edge and ruling the WWE.

This would lead to a natural feud with Kane and perhaps reclaims the ECW title in the process before looking towards The Undertaker.

Danger_Dave

Round 3 : Often Heel turns follow screw jobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screw job, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?


A: I would turn John Cena !. First Yes he might be the companies biggest face, but the boo's are getting louder when he comes out . The last big pop he got was the Royal Rumble. Its time to turn him heel. To start , his match at judgment day is the perfect start, have Cena win the match dirty, either a low blow, or a chair shot when the referee takes a bumb. Monday Night on Raw, the main event is a tag team match, HHH and John Cena vs JBL and Umaga. (Randy Orton after losing at judgment day is not on Raw) The match starts with John cena vs Umaga, it goes back and forth, HHH gets tagged in. HHH eventually gets isolated , but he lands a spinebuster on umaga, he goes to tag cena in but just as he's about to , John Cena walks away, and watches from the ramp as JBL and Umaga take out the world champion.

The next week on Raw , willaim regal comes out and announces before last weeks tag match, John Cena had signed a contract for a title match against HHH at One night Stand. John Cena's music hits, he walks down to the ring, and announces to the wwe, that hes finished beign the all dance all amercian stragiht arrow. He states that all its got him over the last year is get him injuried by Randy Orton to lose his title, Losing the Triple Threat at WrestleMania, Losing at Backlash. He realized if he wants the the WWE title back, he needs to whatever it takes, it doesnt matter what you stupid fat fans think either. Its All about him now.

This Feud will conclude at Summerslam. Over these months this will cement Cena as the Top Heel on Raw, he will win the title at One night Stand , but lose it the next PPV. After being stuck as a Face to long, the heat he generated by him will be Massive. A Good feud with Jericho/HBK/ can be developed after summerslam.

Also the promo's that John Cena can cut as a heel will be much better. Than the weak promo's as a Face.

Bubs101

Round 3 : Often Heel turns follow screw jobs i.e one person unexpectidley screws over an ally (be it a tag-partner or just respected peer) and Boom, they've turned heel, so if you were to suggest a current member of the WWE Roster to turn heel after a screw job, who would you suggest? who would they screw? and how would the angle go down?

At the moment, I think the wrestling roster is quite well balanced in terms of heels, faces and the fact that ATM there are alot of tweeners than normal. I don't think any of the wrestlers are crying out for a turn one way or the other. However, the commentary teams are. JBL's return to the ring has really highlighted the amount of face commentators. King, JR, Tazz, Micheal Cole, Foley and Adamle are all faces. To fix this I would turn Tazz into a heel.

The fact that it could be executed without any ridiculous angles is a big plus. Adamle is a pathetic commentator and Tazz constantly has to cover for him. I would continue this trend for a couple of weeks with Adamle's mistakes getting worse and worse (the embarresing lines may have to be scripted but if Adamle can come up with more gold like "Jamaican me Crazy Kofi" they could be safe)

At the Judgement day PPV during the ECW tag title match I would have Adamle get absolutely ridiculous. After making many notable mistakes during the match he then announces the wrong winner which makes Tazz flip. Tazz drags him into the ring, nails him with a couple of weapons, then waits till he gets up and locks in a Tazzmission for a bit too long and Adamle is KO'd in the ring.

At the begginig of the next ECW Tazz comes out and berates Adamle for making him look bad constantly and that he's fed up for covering for him. He demands that Adamle come to the ring to apologize. Adamle comes out, apologizes when Tazz locks in the Tazzmission again until Adamle passed out and proceeds to call the show himself, making references to how good it feels to be free. The next week while calling a show together Adamle makes another mistake calling the main event between Punk and Morrison, misnaming his finisher. Tazz is about to kick his ass when Morrison does it for him. Just before he can put him through a table Punk takes him down. I would have the feud end at the next PPV with a MITB match with Adamle in Punk's corner and the Tazz and Mike "the" Miz in Morrisons. Punk would pick up the win after Tazz and Miz's attempts at cheating Punk out of the case are thwarted by Adamle and a chair.

One of the reasons this feud would work so well is that every minute ECW is on air, the feud would be to. Every mistake Adamle made would accompany a punch. There would be constant tension and it would add atmosphere to every match.

There would be many benefits of this feud as well. For one, it would help get Adamle over with the fans. Number two, Tazz would get back in the ring (although only to give his finisher due to injury limitations). Thirdly, it would give the WWE the heel commentator it badly needs. It would also give Adamle alot of experience and a big settling in time if the genuine mistakes he made could be made to look like part of a script

Danger_Dave

Bubs101 wrote: »

There would be many benefits of this feud as well. For one, it would help get Adamle over with the fans. Number two, Tazz would get back in the ring (although only to give his finisher due to injury limitations). Thirdly, it would give the WWE the heel commentator it badly needs. It would also give Adamle alot of experience and a big settling in time if the genuine mistakes he made could be made to look like part of a script

I agree in principle that a commentator needs to turn heel, but i do not believe that Tazz against adamle could work, he's new into his role as commentator , and if the the angle gets physical to soon into the angle, it would make the commentary on ECW unworkable, Tazz beat adamle twice, which means he wouldnt be working on the shows he got attacked. How would it be resolved in the end?, do you switch Tazz to smackdown/raw?, they need to get back working together somehow.

Bubs101

Danger_Dave wrote: »

I agree in principle that a commentator needs to turn heel, but i do not believe that Tazz against adamle could work, he's new into his role as commentator , and if the the angle gets physical to soon into the angle, it would make the commentary on ECW unworkable, Tazz beat adamle twice, which means he wouldnt be working on the shows he got attacked. How would it be resolved in the end?, do you switch Tazz to smackdown/raw?, they need to get back working together somehow.

But Adamle is dying out there and they need to do something to solve it.They tried Tazz siding with him and it didn't work. It's killing two birds with one stone. If Adamle is characterised as a victim of bullying by someone who's meant to be mentoring him the fans will get behind him and forgive him his mistakes. As for Tazz beating Adamle making commentary unworkable, anybody who watches knows two things. Number 1, commentary without Adamle would be better and number 2. The Miz has done very well when he has guested there and if needs be, he could fill in.

Also, to be honest, I don't think it does make the commentary unworkable, if anything it makes it more interesting when the two hate each other. Take Heyman and JR when they were on together (and I realise the hate was not only kayfabe). They despised each other, showed it and the commentary if anything was better than what came before. In the long run I would swap Foley and Tazz but that's only because Tazz is too good for ECW and regardless, that's far and beyond what the question was

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John Concannon- Believe it or not your not the fist person to criticise my marking (although everytime it has been the person with the lowest mark) but like i said the first time i posted scores: im only human and not omnipotent (unfortunatley) and not everyone is going to be happy with how I score rounds ... although i also said to you that: A long answer does not make a good answer but some development is needed if you are going to get better scores than those around you. And I think if your honest you'd admit that the other posters have developed/backed up their answers more so than yourself even when at times you have had decent ideas.

Bubs: not really a criticism but i think the commentry thing could work say If Taz was to head to Smackdown after going heel on Adamle locking in the Tazmission in the ring etc (stating he cant work with such incompetence anymore) and when there continue to act heelish in what he says (making him a proper replacement for JBL) while M.Cole or more Likely Foley was to move to ECW. However that would make ECW even more so a development show where even the commentators seems to be learning their trade.
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Q4.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.

How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

(question suggested by former ATH champ Vince135792003)
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Vince135792003

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

(question suggested by former ATH champ Vince135792003)

For future reference, I prefer the following words to former: inaugural, original, greatest, manliest and legendary.

Anyway, back to the question.

john concannon

I'm out.It seems even when I make good points I still get **** for points.If Bubs or Danger Dave had my arguements(and it's nothing against them) they would get better points.
In fairness Bounty Hunter if your going to critisize peoples posts for ''DEVELOPMENT'' you should use a better points scheme.

Danger_Dave

john concannon wrote: »

I'm out.It seems even when I make good points I still get **** for points.If Bubs or Danger Dave had my arguements(and it's nothing against them) they would get better points.
In fairness Bounty Hunter if your going to critisize peoples posts for ''DEVELOPMENT'' you should use a better points scheme.

In Fairness John, your arguments have been quick and snappy, the last for example you said that CM punk would screw undertaker, good idea, however you dont say how, when, how long a feud would last with taker?. Or how he could develop as a heel after the initial turn. I was guest host on the last and Machismo Fan had the very same problem in ATH4, but hes come out strong in ATH5 with well developed centered arguments. Also in the early ATH i got penalized for not answering the question a number of times.

P.S hope you Continue within this ATH even to win a round , theres always something to win .


P.P.S Bounty can we have the single scores for each Round posted with the leader board after every round im to lazy to count it up myself.

Bounty Hunter

john concannon wrote: »

I'm out.It seems even when I make good points I still get **** for points.If Bubs or Danger Dave had my arguements(and it's nothing against them) they would get better points.
In fairness Bounty Hunter if your going to critisize peoples posts for ''DEVELOPMENT'' you should use a better points scheme.

I dont know you, I have nothing against you, sorry to lose you from the game and tbh hope you reconsider your decision.

never tried to criticise you although i suppose you could consider it constructive criticism as i was advising you just like i did in Rd 1 to develop you answers more instead of just stating your idea with as DD says the Hows, Whys, whens etc

me in the threads 1st post wrote:

The host awards points for each response depending on how well argued their point is, not neccesarily if he agrees with their point (although that helps) but how well they back up their argument.

Danger_Dave wrote: »

P.P.S Bounty can we have the single scores for each Round posted with the leader board after every round im to lazy to count it up myself.

In the future i will try to do so.

john concannon

O.K I have returned to play after a short retirement.

Before I start I must apologize to Bounty Hunter.I had a day were nothing I do seems right and I should not have vented my anger at you.I still think if you are going to help develop peoples arguements you should use a marking scheme.That is all.

I'M SORRY:(

Bounty Hunter

no worries good to have you back, and I have a bit of a marking scheme but cant really post it up as then everyone could then work out what they think they should have got and argue their score and in doing so take the thread completley of topic as is kinda happening now so....

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Q4.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.

How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

Machismo Fan

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Q4.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.

How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

First of all I would have Hogan come out the week after No Way Out and give the whole I'm ready for one more match, brother. he then says " I want my last match with Stone Cold Steve", just then does the legendary You Think You Know blast through the arena. Edge comes out and buries Austin saying that he is washed up and can't wrestle any more, just like Hogan. Edge then challenges Hogan to a match at Wrestlemania and Hogan promptly refuses. Hogan says he wants his match with Austin, Edge tells him to shut and spears him

Later that week on Smackdown!, Edge comes out and demands the match with Hogan saying he is going to make Hogan give him the match. He then gets the Edgeheads to drag out Brian Knobbs. Edge says this wouldn't have happened if Hogan had just accepted Edges challenge and Conchairtos Knobbs three times, drags his unconscious body to his feet and the Edgeheads also Conchairto him.

The next week on Raw, Edge calls out Hogan again and challenges him again, Hogan again refuses sticking to the fact that he wants Austin but Edge cuts him off and directs his attention to the stage where the screen is showing Nick(if he is out of jail by then), tied up by the Edgeheads. Edge says if he wants nothing to happen to his son he will accept Edges challenge and he eventually does, Edge walks off smiling.

Then we go into normal match build up time, Hogan is in his return match teaming with Big Show(a good friend of his) against Morrison and Miz, Edge comes out and screws Hogan by nailing Big Show with a spear after the ref has been knocked down. This will lead to a five on two handicap match with Morrison, Miz, Edgeheads and Edge against Hogan and Show. The numbers are two much for Hogan and Big Show and the show will end with Edge standing over Hogan after Conchairto-ing the knee of Hogan.

On the final Raw before Wrestlemania Edge comes out saying he has destroyed Hogan and he will be easy pickings at Wrestlemania. Hogan music hits and he hobbles down the ramp selling the injury. Then, Big Show jumps out of the crowd and nails Edge with a chokeslam. Hogan goes on to say Hulkamania will not die at Wrestlemania and he will beat Edge and officially retire after Wrestlemania.

As for the match, Edge will dominate Hogan until the typical Hogan comeback, Hogan hits the legdrop but Edge just kicks out, Hogan is shocked. The match continues and Hogan moves out of the way of a spear which hits the ref. Edge goes to the outside and gets a chair which he nails Hogan with. He just lines Hogan up for a Conchairto when Big Shows music hits. Big Show strolls down the ramp but the Edgeheads jump him from behind with chairs, taking the big man down. Edge nails a Conchairto, and another and then three more. He wakes up the referee and gets the three count.

The next night on Raw Edge comes out and says Hogan suffered a severe concussion as a result of the numerous Conchairtos and cannot wrestle again even if he wanted to.

john concannon

Hogan makes a special appearance at No Way Out.He thanks fans for supporting him in the last few months and throughout his career.Y2J's music plays and a heel Chris Jericho rips on Hogan outside the ring saying his family are a mix of criminals and sluts.(He would be a cowardly heel).Jericho then takes out an American flag and spits on it.
Y2J would exit through the crowd with the aid of security.

The next night on RAW Jericho would call Hogan out knowing he would not show up.Hogan's music would play and Santino Marella would be dressed up like the Hulkster.He would impersonate Hogan saying he would like to marry his daughter.Big Show comes out but is attacked by Tag Team champs Marella and Carlito.He is beaten down as security come to his aid.

They would try to bring up the Smackdown! ratings by bringing the feud over the two brands.Y2J would reveal that Big Show will miss Wrestlemania due to his injuries.Marella and Carlito would be in the background laughing.Then two mysterious figures in black would attack them and leave them laying.

On the RAW prior to Wrestlemania the two figures would be revealed as HBK and Hogan.They come out to a massive pop.They tell the crowd how easy it was to outsmart Y2J and co.Y2J sneaks up with a chair and is about to hit Hogan.HBK sees him out takes the chair shot to protect Hogan.Hulk tries to catch Jericho but it's to late.Michaels is shown with blood pouring out of his head.He grabs a mike and says:'I want you at Mania brother!'.

Y2J comes out to a chorus of boos at Mania.The match is between the RAW and Smackdown! main events.Vince McMahon tells us that any interference would result in a firing.The match goes 15 minutes and the finish comes as Y2J tries to use a chair and Hogan boots the chair into his face.Hogan hits a leg drop and wins.He announces his retirement and leaves his bandana in the ring.

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Q4.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.

Round 4: How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

I would have it start 3 weeks before The royal Rumble ! . I would have Hulk Hogan come on to Raw. Announce to the fans that he's comming back ! That once again Hulkmania is going to run wild on the WWE. Vince Machon's music hits, he's all smile's. Struts to the ring. Stands next to Hulk Hogan. Congratulates Hulk hogan on coming back into the WWE, and as a sign of respect he give hulk hogan a place in the Royal Rumble!. He then tells Hulk Hogan that he is a legend like Ric Flair. The That it was was not HBK that retired Rick flair, but Vincent Kennedy Machon ! . HBK was just a tool. Now Vince wants to do the same to another legend. He decree's that if hulk hogan loses one match he will be retired just like Ric Flair. If he loses in the Royal Rumble match he will be retired. He wants to Retire another legend because no one is bigger than Vince Machon !.

The Raw before the Royal Rumble , Vince Machon gives Hulk Hogan an opportunity to win Number 30 in the Royal Rumble. A fight against Umaga for the Number 30 spot or number 1 in the royal rumble if he decides not to fight. If he loses, he is retired and does not even get to the Royal Rumble. Hulk Hogan accepts the match. Umaga Dominates most of the match before the Hulk up. Hulk Hogan is unstoppable, he lands the leg Drops , 2 count, He goes for a second it lands, 3 count. Hulk Hogan get the Number 30 Shot for the Royal Rumble ! .

John Cena beat HHH for the title before the Royal Rumble.
The Royal Rumble, {Promo's with hulk Hogan all night of him warming up) Theres only 4 men left in the ring as the clock sounds for the number 30 spot. Batista, HBK,John Morrison, Y2J. Hulk Music Hits he storms down to the ring. Comes in get big boot in on John Morrison, and picks him up to throws him over the top rope. Batista Beats down on Hulk. While Y2j and HBK fight and end up eliminating each other. Its now just Batista vs Hulk Hogan. The Animal vs Hulkmania (The commentators are really pushing this) Hulk Hogan points his finger at Batista!. The match goes on , the animal seems to be overpowering the hulk, but Hogan Hulks up. Lands a leg drops , beats down on Batista, Gets him to the ropes and lands a viscous Clothesline to win the Royal Rumble!. Hulkmania is the main event for Wrestlemania !

Hulk Hogan on the Raw after the royal rumble comes into the ring with the 3 champions of the WWE. Kane(ECW) Undertaker(Smackdown) John Cena ( Raw). He Chooses John Cena. So the Main event at wrestlemania will be John Cena (c) vs Hulk Hogan. Hulk hogan only fight 3 times from after the royal rumble to Wrestlemania, because we all know he would not be able to do much more than that. All wins to build him up, Ken kennedy, Y2J, Jeff hardy. All upper/mid Carders. there would be promo's of vince after every match getting more and more frustrated at hulk's winning streak. Vince would be at ringside for every one of Hulk's matches, but never interfere. John Cena would cut promo's describing Hulk as a legend, but is time is in the past and john cena is the top dog. He'll retire Hulk hogan to keep hold of the one thing that matters in the WWE, The Title !.


The Main Event at WrestleMania. It Vince Machon sits down to commentate on the main event. The Match begins with Hulk Hogan taking an upperhand, The commentators would push that hulk hogan wants a quick match, that a long match would suit Cena. After some time he gets to pins, but are both 2 counts. Now cena comes out fighting and starts to dominate the match. gets Hulk into the STFU Submission.The Ref is looking at John Cena complaining about him not releasing the hold quick enough, Hulk Hogan gets to the ropes pointing to the commentators position. Boom Vince Machon hits a chair shot on Hulk Hogan. Hes down on the mat, John Cena goes for the pin but hogan gets his foot on the rope. Hulk hogan , starts to hulk up but the resulting led drop is only a 2 count. He goes for a 2nd led drop but john gets out of the way, Hits the STF on Hulk Hogan and gets the pin 123. Hogan is retired.


P.S Once its at the Main event it writes it self after the chair shot, either Hogan gets the leg drop. Wins The title and retires leaving the title vacant, or he loses and once again Vinne Mac retires another legend.

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Q.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.
How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

I think there's really only one worker that should end Hogan's career, The Undertaker. Undertaker's slow turn can start now, as he becomes ever more brutal in his quest for the World Heavyweight Title. First he'll win the title by defeating Edge in a hard fought match. We'll all cheer of course. He'll defend the title against Edge and Chavo at the next ppv. And with KAne's help he'll reteain the title.
A match is then built for Summerslam, Undertaker V Kane for the WHC in a last man standing fight. Of course neither brother wants to fight the other, but neither would lie down for the other either. This leads into a monumentously brutal fight where both men knock ten shades of red out each other. Taker just about wins. As he celebrates though, he starts to lay into the prone Kane again, delivering a couple of chair shots / or tombstone piledrivers.

The Vickie / Edge regime name Taker their champion, and he goes on a run of dominating matches, and brutally destroying his opponents after. This goes on for the rest of the year until Armeggedon. Where a match is made, Undertaker v Kane v HBK v Umaga.

The smackdown before the ppv, Teddy Long announces there will be a special guest referee for the match, but doesn't reveal who it is.

During the PPV the four competitors come out to the ring, they face off against each other, but the referee still hasn't come out. Suddenly Real American hits! Out comes Hulk Hogan in a ref's shirt (complete with black and white do rag). While Undertaker is fighting Umaga outside the ring, HBK hits sweet chin music on Kane and gets a pin fall win for the championship!
(This starts a build for HBK v Edge at mania)

Taker blames Hogan. Taker wants to fight Hogan. However, hogan says he's retired, he doesn't fight no mo.

Taker attacks hogan ... he attacks his friends (Brian Knobbs, Jerry Saggs, Gene Okerland) .... and finally he attacks hogan's family, delivering a Tombstone to Brooke.

Now Hogan wants revenge. He interferes during Taker's rematch against HBK at the Royal Rumble, causing HBK to retain. The next smackdown Hogan gloats and challenges, for one more match. Vickie comes out and makes the match, and just so Hogan has enough time to get into ring shape, she makes it for mania.

During the build up to mania Taker defeats a number of wrestlers from Hogan's past (maybe) including Jimmy Snuka, Sgt Slaughter, Roddy Piper, Scot Hall, and Sid Vicous.

Vickie makes the mania fight into a street fight. (Hogan isn't exactly a ring technician)

The day arrives, and the two engage in a classic brawl, fighting inside and outside the ring. The match builds to Taker choke slamming Hogan ... then Tombstoning him. To everyone's shock Hogan kicks out of the count. All of a sudden the Big Show is here, he delivers a massive chair shot to taker. Taker is stunned ... he walks straight into a big boot from hogan! Hogan hits the leg drop! A bloody Hogan gets the win.

Bloody Hogan and Big Show celebrate and make their way from the ring as the crowd gives an impromptu standing ovation.

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Q4.Assuming that next year's Wrestlemania has as one of its main events Hulk Hogan's last ever match just like this year had Ric Flair's.

How would you build it up? Who would he feud with? And finally how would it it culminate?

I to think Randy Orton is the right man to end the Hulksters career at WM 25 but the match should be against Taker. Wretlemania 25 should have one of the biggest draws that any Wrestlemania has ever had seeing that it's an anniversary and that match would be Taker vs. Hogan in a last man standing match for the World Heavyweight Title. It would be the man who put Wrestlemania on the map against the man who has never lost in it for the belt. The Streak vs. the Immortal Hulk Hogan

In the weeks leading up to the Royal Rumble I would have Hogan making sporaddic appearances backstage asking Vince for one more shot at the title but Vince says that Hogan is not who he wants to represent the company any more as he drives it forward. Hulkster appeals to all the GM's asking for one of their spots in the Rumble but to no avail. Come the Rumble Hulkster apparently has no place in it but is still backstage to watch Taker retain the title against MVP. The Rumble continues until it hits number 30, Big Show's number, when no music his after the countdown. The lights go off and Voodoo Child hits as Hogan comes down accompanied by the Big Show and Shane O'Mac in NWO shirts. Show clears the ring of everybody but Cena when Hulkster comes in and Leg Drops him and throws him out.

The Next night on raw Shane explains the situation saying he authorised the trade between Hulk and Big Show before Hogan explains that he tried to do it the right way but he was left with no choice. He demands a title shot against Taker when Vinces music hits. Vince says that he ought to kick him out of the building right now but realises that the match would be good for business and business always comes first. He demands however that should Hogan get pinned, submitted or Ko'd at Wresltlemania he must retire and he guaran-damn-tees it's going to happen.

Leading up to No Way Out Hogan enters a programme with Cena who feels that he has been robbed of a main event position but Hogan scores decisive victories in the programme to build his momenum. In the weeks before Wrestlemania the new NWO torment Taker but he always get the victory including Taker and Kane vs The Big Show and Hogan. In the meantime Randy Orton is harassing Vince to get a spot in the Main event as well claiming that if Vince wants to kill of the legend that is Hogan he should have turned to the Legend Killer. He wants a chance to end both the streak and Hogan's career but Vince says the contract has been signed but he will put him in the MITB.

Come Wrestlemania, Orton wins the MITB by playing possom and snatching the victory at the death by RKOing MVP as he was the only one left in the ring. Vince passes a rule saying that neither Shane, Big Show or Kane are allowed at ringside or their respective side will lose the match and the title. Come the match Taker dominates from the outset and when he hits the chokeslam Hogan gets up at 4. Hogan sparks a brief revival but it is stopped by Taker who hits a Last Ride for a 7 count. Hogan gets the advantage for around 5 minutes and is just about to Hulk up when Taker gets him in the Tombstone. Hogan looks like he's down and out when he just makes it up before ten. Taker hits him but gets the Fingerpoke of Doom, he hulks up. Taker tries to clothesline him but gets hit with a big boot. Hogan gets the Atomic Leg Drop of Doom and starts celebrating when Taker gets up immediately and tries to get the big boot in when Hogan slams him and gives him a second Atomic Leg drop of Doom. Taker stays down and the streak is broken.

Hulkster collapses in the ring and shakes hands with Taker as a sign of respect when Vince's music hits. He says he guaranteed that his career would end and he says it will. Orton enters the ring from behind and RKOs Hogan. Vince says that he is cashing in the MITB right now and orders Taker to leave the ring. Orton goes for the pin but only Hogan just kicks out. He waits for him to get up and kicks him in the head but again just a two count. He kicks him again and assumes its over. Instead of going for the cover he poses at the side when Hogan gets up, unbeknown to Orton. He Hulks up again, Orton tries to hit him but gets nowhere when Hogan slams him. He bounces of the ropes to hit the Legdrop but Orton is waiting for him with an RKO and gets the 1,2,3. Orton adds Hogan's scalp to his collection of Legends

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He waits for him to get up and kicks him in the head but again just a two count. He kicks him again and assumes its over. Instead of going for the cover he poses at the side when Hogan gets up, unbeknown to Orton. He Hulks up again, Orton tries to hit him but gets nowhere when Hogan slams him. He bounces of the ropes to hit the Legdrop but Orton is waiting for him with an RKO and gets the 1,2,3. Orton adds Hogan's scalp to his collection of Legends

Orton kicks Hogan twice and still doesnt get the 3 count ?. Even if he's getting the rub to retire him, does this not make him seem weak? having to use 3 finishers on him. Also dont you think Orton has got enough wins of legends to be confirmed as the legend killer? .

P.S Good luck marking all these answers BH .