Abortion

ztoical

all the stars wrote: »

I do think the man should have a say- it is going to be his child also, but em, i dont know how much as ultimately the woman has to carry the child for 9 months... realy every situation is differant.

i dont have any kids myself so cant give an answer too insightfully, but, i do think that the dad should absolutely be part of the decision..

the issue with bringing in some law regarding the rights of the father when it comes to the unborn is that it would become such a legal mind field. Ignoring my earlier rant over where do you draw the line over how much say the father should have over a woman's choices while pregnant - there's the issue of proving paternity.

Say for example if a man sees an ex girlfriend pregnant and she tells him its not his and shes getting an abortion but he thinks it is his how can that be resolved? DNA can't be proved until the fetus is much further along and by that stag its far to late to go through with the abortion.

Sugar Drunk

moco wrote: »

I think it should be a womans choice and a man should not be able to over rule it. It's the woman who carries it and is left with it if the man changes his mind after the baby is born.

dead right. I have never wanted children. If at some point contraception failed I would be straight over to the UK. Its my decision and I really dont care if people disagree or do not like it. I have no problem telling people my point of view on this.
Its a joke to say the father should have right over it . A man cannot be allowed to force a woman to bear a child. Men often decide they want out and then feck off and lets face it the woman if left holding the baby!

NextSteps

Dudess wrote: »

But "pro" simply means in favour of. It's not necessarily as black and white as those analogies you've used. You might be in favour of it only to a very limited degree, but you're still in favour of it. I think pro choice is just a way of tiptoe-ing around actually using the term "pro abortion" because it's not a nice term.

I think abortion should be the absolute last resort, and avoided if at all possible, but I'm still pro abortion.

What I mean is that you can't be in favour of abortion per se - it's something that happens when all else fails, it's a hospital procedure and thus to be avoided, it causes emotional and possibly physical damage (sometimes), it's a risk. Not something you'd be cheering for.

You can be in favour of choice, though, and that's why 'pro-choice' is a better and more precise term than 'pro-abortion'.

Of course, by the same logic, the other side are 'anti-choice', not 'pro-life'. We're all pro-life in a general sense, we're in favour of being alive, or else we'd have topped ourselves. Didn't Bill Hicks have something about this?

Macha

Dragan wrote: »

Ah i know that Taco, i was just on a bit of a downer yesterday.

Don't forget that EVERYONE in the country was directed and led by people with absolutely no understanding of family matters!

Aww *hug*

Too right.

ali.c

Dragan wrote: »

As a man i don't really give a crap what a woman choose's to do with her body unless that woman is a part of my life and she is taking action that is doing her harm ( as i hope any woman in my life would care about me ), it would just to be nice to think i have a say in any such incident that might occur, or at the very least have some kind of way of deciding it's impact upon MY life instead of that choice being made for me.

However, history has shown me two things. That this will never happen and in the minds of many i will be guilty for the sins of others. Awesome.

Just my opinion on this, firstly there will be women who do not consult with the father prior to getting an abortion just as there will be fathers who **** off and abandon un planned offspring. Neither is better than the other and certainly neither is to my mind a moral course to choice however ultimately I would rate the right of a woman to chose as being more important that giving the man an input, its the lesser of two evils. Certainly in all mature relationships he should have an input but its not something IMHO that can be legislated for.

On a side note sure adoption is an option but from what i can see is that women certainly in their late twenties onwards I can imagine there being a lot of social stigma relating to this choice. Its not as if all unplanned pregancies happen to teenagers!

Cmol

I'd say its all down to circumstances... i think if your in a steady relationship with the guy then you have to tell them, but if its a one night stand then I'd say a woman is well within her rights to go ahead and do whatever she wants... although in saying that, i think that if she decides to keep it, with a view of going down the single parent road, he definitely needs to know, he needs to option of being in his childs life if thats what he wants.

I know fathers rights and everything, even if it is a one night stand but everyone knows that its a million times easier for the father to bail when the going gets tough than the mother....

At the end of the day though, either way its not an easy decision to make and having had friends who have had abortions I would never, ever think any differently of them... i dont think anyone is in a position to judge unless they have been in the same situation....

Dragan

taconnol wrote: »

Aww *hug*

Bottle_of_Smoke

Abortion is ok once it's done within the first 14 months.

The Sweeper

I'm going to assume that's a typo.

Reku

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

I'm going to assume that's a typo.

Either that or Bottle of Smoke is a camel....:D
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_camel's_gestation_period

And be thankful ladies that you're not an African Elephant, if the nose wasn't bad enough being pregnant for the best part of 2 years at a time only to give birth to a 120kg baby.:eek: Soooo many stitches....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant

Good Samaritan

Personally I don't believe in abortion but I don't shove my opinions into the faces of others. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...

Personally I dont believe in murder but I dont shove my opinions into the face of others. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Abortion is NOT about viewpoints it is about victims.

rainbow kirby

Don't resurrect zombie threads.

Wibbs

Zombie thread closed. And by the by, Good Samaritan if you have an axe to grind and judging by your only two posts you have, then please take it to another grindstone.