Can Abortion be Art?

Pythia

An American art student, Aliza Shvarts, has done a piece in which she purposefully gets herself pregnant then purposefully miscarries using abortificants. She films the miscarriages and also keeps some of the blood.

She describes it best herself:

For the past year, I performed repeated self-induced miscarriages. I created a group of fabricators from volunteers who submitted to periodic STD screenings and agreed to their complete and permanent anonymity. From the 9th to the 15th day of my menstrual cycle, the fabricators would provide me with sperm samples, which I used to privately self-inseminate. Using a needleless syringe, I would inject the sperm near my cervix within 30 minutes of its collection, so as to insure the possibility of fertilization. On the 28th day of my cycle, I would ingest an abortifacient, after which I would experience cramps and heavy bleeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliza_Shvarts

Personally I think this is unbelievably sick.

Opinions?

AlmightyCushion

What the fúck? That's just messed up.

Huggles

Pythia wrote: »

An American Art, Aliza Shvarts, student has done a piece in which she purposefully gets herself pregnant then purposefully miscarries using abortificants. She films the miscarriages and also keeps some of the blood.

She describes it best herself:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliza_Shvarts

Personally I think this is unbelievably sick.

Opinions?

I actually almost threw up.

AlmightyCushion

Huggles wrote: »

I actually almost threw up.

You should keep that, it could be considered art.

MizzLolly

Pythia wrote: »

An American Art, Aliza Shvarts, student has done a piece in which she purposefully gets herself pregnant then purposefully miscarries using abortificants. She films the miscarriages and also keeps some of the blood.

She describes it best herself:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliza_Shvarts

Personally I think this is unbelievably sick.

Opinions?

Oh my God! That's disgusting, the twisted bi*ch!!

Genghiz Cohen

Freak....

bronte

Pretty fcuked up alright.

Huggles

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You should keep that, it could be considered art.

LOL

takola

It's horrible.

What was the point?

Mint Sauce

i feel sick just reading the thread about it, thats just twisted

Gordon

I blame the Turner Prize.

How many abortions did she cause on herself? She's seriously hindering her chances of giving birth in the future by doing so.

Dudess

I lolled. I think pretentiousness is funny.

Thrill

That twisted. She must have a few screws loose to be doing stuff like that.

Mr. Presentable

No. But as you demonstrated, Art can be an abortion.

KnifeWRENCH

Meh! Anything counts as art these days.
There is probably someone out there willing to pay a lot of money for the contents of your septic tank.

Tha Gopher

Gordon wrote: »

She's seriously hindering her chances of giving birth in the future by doing so.

Probably for the best tbh. Kid is nearly better off not existing than raised by this nut.

NoQuarter

Does this mean that if a rapist records his attack he can claim it as a performance art piece?

gsxr1

im scarred to click the links in case I see a dead baby, which would completely ruin my evening.

Is that what the link is?

WoollyRedHat

:http://www.yale.edu/opa/

Was a hoax, thankfully :eek

TerrorFirmer

Anything can be classed as Art these days, accidentally knock over a palette onto a canvas and it could be a mess or worth 1,000,000 depending on what way the light catches it. Sick though...that is really plain disgusting. I wouldn't normally be one to judge someone on their actions or choices involving their own body, but...

Thrill

I don't know how it could be classed as art.

This is what you call art.


/Drools pretentiously.

TerrorFirmer

Thrill wrote: »

I don't know how it could be classed as art.

This is what you call art.


/Drools pretentiously.

I like how the subtle tones of the rough, yet stalwart brick suggest an emotive personification of communism; the subsequent contrast with the gray, institutional and implied capitalist floor ultimately insinuates an eloquent return to the Cold War

Or maybe it's just a brick on the floor.

slightly lost

Dudess wrote: »

Wo... that's uncalled for.

What

ever.



Just my take on it. Apologies if it is close to the bone.

MizzLolly

I'm an Art History student and I can honestly say that modern artists really take the biscuit sometimes but I have never, ever seen anything this bad. I really don't see the humour in it.

Does anybody know anything about the men who's sperm she uses? Like, do they know about it?

NoQuarter

dudess please stay on topic!


/end back-seat modding :eek:

Thrill

MizzLolly wrote:

I'm an Art History student and I can honestly say that modern artists really take the biscuit sometimes but I have never, ever seen anything this bad. I really don't see the humour in it.

Does anybody know anything about the men who's sperm she uses? Like, do they know about it?

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

:http://www.yale.edu/opa/

Was a hoax, thankfully :eek

It was a hoax or a misunderstanding, thank goodness. Click the link in the quoted post and read the short article.

MizzLolly

Thrill wrote: »

It was a hoax or a misunderstanding, thank goodness. Click the link in the quoted post and read the short article.

Thanks Thrill.
Geez, that's a pretty sick hoax.

Peared

I dunno, the talk is that this is some kind of elaborate hoax (maybe this in itself is the "art")

If it is true, I hope she has been irreperably damaged and cannot conceive when she wishes to.

So many people wishing for babies and mourning lost ones and this stupid wagon trying to become famous by doing this.

JC 2K3

I love it.

Anything can be art and whether it is worthy of being described as art can be judged by the emotions and reactions it evokes.

I think, judging by the reactions in this thread, that you cannot deny its artistic merit.

I'm not surprised it's a hoax, since I doubt someone would put their body through that and also not have any moral concerns. However, the concept is still brilliant.

Pretentious art that is fúcked up is the best kind.

daiixi

I love it. She has a period every month and claims she's self aborting and people actually believed it.

Dord

EDIT: just saw it was a hoax. Pretty sick one though.

Dudess

I love that she had wanky art critics going.

Pigletlover

Crazy Americans

Earthhorse

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Anything can be art and whether it is worthy of being described as art can be judged by the emotions and reactions it evokes.

I don't get this. If anything can be art then surely it doesn't have to prove it's worth as art, just it's worth.

KnifeWRENCH

OK now she's cool!!! :pac:

EamonnKeane

Earthhorse wrote: »

I don't get this. If anything can be art then surely it doesn't have to prove it's worth as art, just it's worth.

Why must everything come down to worth?

Peared

Any time you use the word 'art' you can justify the worst kind of idiot/waster/emperors new clothes.

And then when people say its sh*te all you have to say is that they dont understand it.

Soooo booooring.

JC 2K3

Peared wrote: »

Any time you use the word 'art' you can justify the worst kind of idiot/waster/emperors new clothes.

And then when people say its sh*te all you have to say is that they dont understand it.

Soooo booooring.

And therefore, to you, the attitude to modern art that you've just described there, is art in itself, which evokes boredom in you.

Earthhorse

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Why must everything come down to worth?

Why are you asking me?

Mr.Nice Guy

Peared wrote: »

Any time you use the word 'art' you can justify the worst kind of idiot/waster/emperors new clothes.

And then when people say its sh*te all you have to say is that they dont understand it.

Soooo booooring.

Spot on.

Too many lazy saddos out there posing as 'artists' and too many gullible people willing to fawn all over them.

Rhyme

OMELETTES!!

*prepares for lynching*

Mr.Nice Guy

JC 2K3 wrote: »

And therefore, to you, the attitude to modern art that you've just described there, is art in itself, which evokes boredom in you.

If I punch someone in the face and evoke anger in them I'm not engaging in art - I'm just being a dick.

The idea that art is anything that creates an emotional response in someone is a good one in theory...until people like yourself start taking it WAY too literally.

RonMexico

She has inspired me to run outside naked jerking off screaming - "I'm an artist - who wants an original, line up you ignorant bastids"

Peared

JC 2K3 wrote: »

And therefore, to you, the attitude to modern art that you've just described there, is art in itself, which evokes boredom in you.

Yeah.

cough*artist bum* cough

KnifeWRENCH

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Spot on.

Too many lazy saddos out there posing as 'artists' and too many gullible people willing to fawn all over them.

Well, if the "lazy saddos" can get the "gullible people" to fork out loads of money, then fair play to them!:)

NoQuarter

Rhyme wrote: »

OMELETTES!!

*prepares for lynching*

bahahahaha priceless

Earthhorse

RonMexico wrote: »

She has inspired me to run outside naked jerking off screaming - "I'm an artist - who wants an original, line up you ignorant bastids"

Or, at least, to claim she has.

Mr.Nice Guy

square_igloo wrote: »

Well, if the "lazy saddos" can get the "gullible people" to fork out loads of money, then fair play to them!:)

Same go for telemarketers, spammers etc?

Thrill

Then the OP could claim this thread as a work of art and cite the reactions of the posters to the topic of the thread as a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding the form and function of a thread.

I declare this post as a work of art, btw. It may not be quoted in part or in full without my express permission. Viewing's by appointment only.

The guy

square_igloo wrote: »

Well, if the "lazy saddos" can get the "gullible people" to fork out loads of money, then fair play to them!:)

Well, she's just doing what Jade goody did years ago.

No Art just stupidity.